Darron gibson: He looked very comfortable on the ball last night and picked out one very precise pass. Thought he fitted in quite well... Good player for the future.
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Darron gibson: He looked very comfortable on the ball last night and picked out one very precise pass. Thought he fitted in quite well... Good player for the future.
well why not keep it open?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
given the fact there is a new thread open on it people obviously want to discuss it?
why censor people?
if u feel the debate is over than why not just leave the debate - stop reading?
there is an element of the child who doesnt want to do something but yet doesnt want anyone else to do it either.
Bill, I agree with you on this, but you know some of the mods so you should be able answer that question better than some! :)Quote:
i dont see why it was locked other than the fact there seems to be a clique on here who seem to want to stifle any debate. if people dont want to debate it anymore why do they read it?
In the case of the DG thread being locked, he has a point tets, though i have to say i got bored of EG twisting every post and being blatantly stubborn and ignorant.
here here ---> TPQuote:
there is an element of the child who doesnt want to do something but yet doesnt want anyone else to do it either.
There is one good reason, Ealing G might return.
i happen to think he is a good poster. the wider spectrum of opinion on the board the better.
I find him fairly intelligent on most matters and he obviously puts a lot of effort into his posts. He also doesn't come across as anywhere near the ignorant fool as some of the company he keeps on OWC (though not all).Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
On the negative side I think he's ridiculously stubborn and has a very insular (NI against the World) look judging by many of the things he posts. He also seems to have trouble ridding himself of that chip that seems to sit on many of the shoulders of our cousins across the border (though again not all) even though I believe he now lives in England. He doesn't seem to be particularly fond of our beloved football team either no matter what he claims.
This is my professional opinion based on the psychological profile I have built up using only the posts of EalingGreen on this forum and OWC over a number of years. A picture of how I think he looks is available in this link:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/gallery...ture=329815711
is this how you look tho.....?;);)
http://www.marketing.ie/old_site/apr...ages/eamon.jpg
I presume Gibson will go out on loan this season.Sunderland last year seemed to benefit from two youngsters from Man U(Simpsom&Evans).I could see our Darren heading for somewhere like Cardiff to continue his development.
Aye - this is the most staggering, screwed-point-of-view, downright wrong post of the lot:Quote:
Originally Posted by eelmonster
The more things change the more they stay the same...Quote:
Now to this Waster Gibson whos not fit to be mentioned in the same breath as Chris Baird its time the IFA did something about this poaching by the Republic. Many players from the Nationalist community have pulled on the Green Jersey of Norn Iron with pride through the years and gave 100% Some were the greatest we have ever had I have total respect for them all including those in the current squad . In my view the reason many of these defectors go to the South is Political. Basically they are sectarian bigots. Sad but True. They are the ones who need to give sectarianism the red card
Disappointing that Nigel Worthington tried to stir up a lot of difficulty for the lad during the week.
Gibson said he had told Worthington that he was not interested in playing for the North, yet Worthington went running to one of the Sunday rags throwing all sorts of lies around.
http://www.derryjournal.com/journal/...rue.3143957.jp
Pretty sad really, but well done to Darron and a loan deal at a championship side should be his next priority.
I think he could end up staying at Man Utd. He was very impressive in pre-season and many fans have been calling for him to be in the first team squad. I think he might get some action soon enough, and I don't mean the Carling Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by co. down green
I agree. I've avoided posting in this thread as it was always going to decend into name calling and pettiness but Ealing Green deserves no small amount of credit for taking on all comers here and representing a view that many here not only disagree with but sadly some don't even want to see expressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
Furthermore his posts are always considered, informed and respectful.
I'll also add that in the event that Darron Gibsons international status is now sealed -even in silence Ealing Green has been far more graceful, magnanimous and, once again, respectful than I have any confidence some of the lick-spittles on here would be if FIFA had made an interjection to stop him playing for Ireland ...or, for that matter, if any player born in the FAIs jurisdiction decided to switch to play for Northern Ireland ...much less one on Man Us books.
As for the eligibility issue - I'm simply not sure what the legal situation is. Gibson should, in my opinion, be allowed play for us -I'm just not sure that by the letter of FIFAs regs he's entitled to (assuming he doesn't have parents/grandparents born in the FAI jurisdiction for arguments sake).
I will say this -in the event Gibson plays in one of the upcoming qualifiers and we finish ahead of say the Czechs ...if I were a Czech FA official I'd chance my arm with an appeal to UEFA/FIFA claiming Ireland fielded an ineligible player just to see if I could get some points docked. It'd be mischievious and vexatious but it'd be naive to think it couldn't happen and I'm sure it's not the way anyone would like a case tested.
he hee heQuote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Please God give me strength. He's only silent because he now knows that he doesn't have a leg to stand on. Something he was told numerous times before Gibson got capped but simply refused to listen. That and we won 4-0. If we'd lost that match he'd be on here straight away posting some negative nonsense about our team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Anyway we've all figured out long ago Lionel Ritchie that you are EalingGreen under a different login.
Well I have heard that there are some quite loose women around the Manchester area...Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
You can say what you want, it is irrational to put it mildly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Gibson's transfer to Ireland has already been approved by FIFA years ago.
The paperwork is standard stuff and impeccable.
If you are not sure about the legal situation then do the research or ask a question.
Residency requirements etc. do not apply here.
He was already tied to Ireland before gaining a senior cap.
Lionel, dont be so naive about that one.Quote:
I'll also add that in the event that Darron Gibsons international status is now sealed -even in silence Ealing Green has been far more graceful, magnanimous and, once again, respectful than I have any confidence some of the lick-spittles on here would be if FIFA had made an interjection to stop him playing for Ireland ...or, for that matter, if any player born in the FAIs jurisdiction decided to switch to play for Northern Ireland ...much less one on Man Us books.
Man U have so many midfielders at the moment its hard to see Darron getting a run there.A championchip club would seen ideal.A midfield pairing of Gibson and Garvan at the next WC could be an exciting prospect.If you have a quality central midfield it gives the rest of the team a great platform.
There's a difference between nationality and citzenship.
Nationality isn't based on political borders whilst citzenship is.
Do we have Scots, English, Welsh and N.Irish players choosing which of the home nations they want to represent? All of these players are citizens of the same country.
FIFA rules are based on nationality - that's why there are the parents, grandfather rules.
Naturally I hope you're right. I genuinely do.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I've followed this thread and similar ones over on OWC and read all the quotes from FIFA regs pertaining to this. I think our situation on this island is something of an anomaly ...though we aren't entirely unique. But I don't think FIFA have factored in situations like ours and I don't think they'd give a rats ass if it doesn't suit us.
Naive about what exactly? You don't think a promising youngster from this jurusdiction wouldn't take dogs abuse here if he decided to play for Norn Iron? Now who's being naive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul O Shea
Incorrect. Anybody who has citizenship of Britian can play for any of the 4 teams you mentioned. Many cases of this over the years. Ex Pats keeper Trevow Wood played for NI, despite having no family link at all to NI.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
The Scots and Welsh just choose not to use players without a Scottish/Welsh background. Although the Welsh links of some of their players have been beyond tenous. The English have cherry picked the best of the "naturalised" Britons (Barnes being probably the best...)
No, i was refering specifically to your comment about EG. ;)Quote:
Naive about what exactly? You don't think a promising youngster from this jurusdiction wouldn't take dogs abuse here if he decided to play for Norn Iron? Now who's being naive.
OK. I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
FIFA have factored in our situation. It is not unique, People being born outside the political boundary who are 100% citizens regardless of ancestory connections and regardless of residency.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
This is the famous annex 2 that the IFA harp on about
http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federa...sid=92699.html
As I have said before
It does not apply to our our situation, It has only been used in Naturalization issues.
Its becoming more prevalent though. The idea behind FIFA's new rules is to stop Qatar doing to football what they did in Athletics (which was to offer top kenyans absolute fortunes to switch nationalities) and their thinking is pretty sound.
However ourselves and the norht don't really conform to black and white nationality/citizenship and that will have to be taken into account. FIFA know if they tried to stop Irish citizens from playing for Ireland, they'd have to face legal challenges galore.
This has confused me on this issue. Is there paperwork in this system. Do FIFA maintain a list of which player is registered for which country? I have never heard of one, I always thought it was self regulatory?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Transferring from one federation to another involves a written application from the player and supporting documentation to be sent to a Players Committee in the legal dept of FIFA, the player cannot play for his chosen country while the applic is reviewed. Once it is accepted the player can be selected by his chosen country.
I have been silent for three reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Firstly, if you look through all my posts, I have consistently maintained that the FAI's selection of DG in an 'A' International does not of itself resolve the uncertainty over his eligibility. He was originally given clearance, which is presumably enough for the FAI. However, that clearance is now subject to review by FIFA, who are quite entitled to revoke it should they see fit. Therefore, I had nothing more to add on that particular point.
Second, I was too preoccupied from Wednesday evening with another football match and from Thursday morning with conducting the usual post-match analysis of said match whilst simultaneously trying to fend off a raging hangover!
Third, I've had quite enough fun taking the p iss out of my English friends and neighbours after their outing against Germany to concern myself with your game!
Talking of which, I've only seen brief highlights of the goals, so cannot really comment. However, if Keane & Co have softened the Danes up a wee bit before their visit to play the "other Ireland" in Belfast in November, then good for them!
P.S. If you really believe I'm the same poster as Lionel Ritchie, then you're an idiot. :rolleyes:
What does transferring mean. How would they know you were transferring, if you had played underage for the other country?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Not so, Dodge. The "default" position is that any player from the UK, with British citizenship, will represent the home country within which he was born. Where a player is also eligible under FIFA Regs (e.g. through parents/grandparents) to play for more than one of the four countries, it becomes the player's choice which he represents. (The English-born James Morrison being capped for Scotland in midweek is the most recent example).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Similarly, where a player has UK Nationality/Citizenship, but no particular connection to any one of the four home countries, then the player may exercise his choice. So the (naturalised?) Jamaican-born John Barnes chose England - hardly surprising considering he lived in England from a very early age, was a product of English under-age football and earned his living with an English League team.
As for Trevor Wood, he was born in the Channel Islands, which does not have an international team of its own. Therefore, to disallow his representing one of the four home countries would effectively have prevented him from playing international football entirely. Of course, he chose NI, since it gave him the best (only?) chance of selection. However, his fellow Islander, Matt Le Tissier chose England.
So it's hardly a case of anyone "cherry-picking", unless you consider trying to get the best possible squad of players available fits that description.
Anyhow, in the case of dispute or ambiguity, the four "home" Associations long ago made a "Gentlemens' Agreement" to resolve cases amicably, which holds successfully to this day.
Of course, if I were the mischievous stirrer that so many people on this Board seem to think, I might further point out that the present Gibson controversy has only arisen following the decision by the FAI (Brian Kerr?) unilaterally to tear up the Gentlemens' Agreement of 1950, brokered by FIFA, whereby the FAI agreed not to pick players from the IFA's jurisdiction and vice versa.
But I'm not, so I won't...;)
I never said otherwise. I just pointed out that it was not always the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Kind of the point I was makingQuote:
As for Trevor Wood... he chose NI, since it gave him the best (only?) chance of selection.
Didn't mean cherry picking to be an emotive word. I'll rephrase... "England picked the best of the naturalised Britons" Of course hem being based in England helped. The curious case of David Johnson being the most extreme exampleQuote:
So it's hardly a case of anyone "cherry-picking", unless you consider trying to get the best possible squad of players available fits that description.
Again this was the point I was making. They have their own rules, seperate from FIFAs and good luck to them...Quote:
Anyhow, in the case of dispute or ambiguity, the four "home" Associations long ago made a "Gentlemens' Agreement" to resolve cases amicably, which holds successfully to this day.
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Not so, Dodge. Most players from the UK, with British citizenship, represent the home country within which they were born.
Dodge,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Re your first point, see the edited version ("default position") which I subsequently posted.
Re. the "cherry picking", fair enough that you didn't mean to be perjorative. But if you think about it, the present arrangements mean it is the players who may "cherry pick", not the Associations. It's just that when it comes to money and prestige etc, for most players who are good enough, England represent a juicier cherry than the other three Associations.
Mind you, a few might think differently after we see who actually qualifies for Euro2008! ;)
No doubt you are referring to me when you speak of the lick - spittles here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Would I have a fit if a ROI player played for NI? No chance of that because Britain doesn't give a passport to those born in the 26C unless a parent is British (or born British ie. in the UK before 1981 which between 1801 and 1921 included the 26C). So unless we have some Julio Iglesias Donegal unionist's son picking NI, that ain't going to happen.
But who's fault is that Lionel? The Irish or the British government? Certainly we know that to play for NI you can only be from the 26C if you are a British resident, but it doesn't work if you are a supporter does it. There is a (small, large, whatever) support from Donegal that support NI and consider themselves British and Unionist. They all have Irish passports. If it would shut up EG and the others on OWM, I couldn't care if they were Pele. If they considered themselves NI/British, then they should be able to play for NI.
I believe it was the poster David that stated that one (only one?) of this group was making a special plea to the British government to get a British passport. I say good luck. But what is the latest? Because I believe that unlike the Irish government, the British aren't going to give him the citizenship he craves. I watched in total disgust one day on BBC Breakfast TV a Zimbabwean white man with a Home Counties accent about to be deported back to Zim. His 'crime'. Not a political activist or general troublemaker, but he indulges in what Oscar Wilde would call that 'love that dare not speak its name'. Despite being more British than me he was being refused citizenship and asylum.
Someone has pointed out the key difference between Qatar and the Brazilians and Ireland and the people in the part of its country still under British rule. All of them are entitled to Irish citizenship. Qatar would not dare do the same, principally as its population is 744 thousand while Brazil's is 190 million (200 Brazilians to every 1 Qatarian). That will be the key to why FIFA will throw out any claim. The Brazilians would have had to go through some sort of naturalisation. Prospective Irish citizens from the North have it as an automatic right from birth.
And who knows, perhaps the Czechs will have their own Darren Gibson. Certainly, this is a part of the world where the borders are hugely different from 100 years ago. In fact Hungary recently refused to grant any longer citizenship to Hungarians born outside the country with no connection to present day Hungary. I work with a Hungarian (also Gay) bloke from Yugoslavia who escaped the war there through this ruling.Germany certainly did likewise until they found too many Germans in the former USSR.
EG claims that Gibson will allow every disgruntled minority to do likewise. It already happens. Disgruntled minorities belonging to another, irredentist, state sometimes have the right to automatic citizenship. With the Hungarians, they don't. They can't now play for Hungary unless they live in Hungary.
Anyway back to our friends in Donegal who want to support and - if good enough - play for Northern Ireland. As you may recall we briefly had the head of ourweeminds, Marty, on here - calling himself as 'on the kop', but known to me as the army groupie because of his unhealthy obsession with men in khaki (British and American principally) This is what he had to say about Donegal supporters following NI.
I support NI because I'm from NI - Northern RoI supporters support RoI because they want to make a statement that they're NOT from Northern Ireland. To me that is a political not a footballing statement, the same political statement those Finn Harps fans are making. Those who choose the Republic over the country they were born in can expect no respect from me, and if I was a Republic fan I would feel the same about those Finn Harps fans. I would reserve my greatest contempt for those players who take advantage of the IFA training schemes from schoolboy age and then cross over but.
http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=92911&postcount=32
Maybe, if you want to have a pop at people, calling them lick spittles for being unhappy about someone from 'the Republic' playing for NI, you should call on your chum Marty on ourweeminds first, before throwing around allegations at people here, of whom not one person has complained that they'd think an inverse version of Gibson (a unionist born in the 26C) playing for NI would be outrageous.
I would like to ask the question to everyone here: How would you feel if Darren Gibson was from Letterkenny but wanted to play for NI because all his great grandfathers were orangemen, signed the Ulster Covenent and died at the Somme? Even though he'd make a load more money and play in more tournaments if he played for the country of his birth?
My answer is I couldn't give a f*ck.
Yeah but that's an easy position for us to take. The 'problem' for NI is that roughly half their playerbase may choose to play for another team. If everyone in Dublin started to declare for England we'd be getting worried. I suspect this is the real issue for NI fans, it would move them from being a 'country' with one million people to one with half a million (almost Luxembourg level).Quote:
Originally Posted by lopez
Lopez, you are wrong there, say for example my father, because he was born before 1947, and he applied for a british passport, which he could still do, then I could also.Quote:
Would I have a fit if a ROI player played for NI? No chance of that because Britain doesn't give a passport to those born in the 26C unless a parent is British (or born British ie. in the UK before 1981 which between 1801 and 1921 included the 26C). So unless we have some Julio Iglesias Donegal unionist's son picking NI, that ain't going to happen.
Is it ****. Its 100% down to the whole NI thing. If there were 10 million in the north and one million wanted to play for the South, it'd be the same reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by cavan_fan
Still can't believe how many people discuss this on a purely football level when it obviously isn't.
cos according to you and other pats fans, politics and football dont mix :pQuote:
Is it ****. Its 100% down to the whole NI thing. If there were 10 million in the north and one million wanted to play for the South, it'd be the same reaction.
Still can't believe how many people discuss this on a purely football level when it obviously isn't.
But on the context of cavan_fans, if you are right Dodge, they do a very good job of covering it up if thats the case. I would say there is obviously a sizeable section who take that view but there is the fear - from all - of them having a far smaller playing pool to pick from, which is reasonable on their part.
Fu*k the north the scum fans . they are so narrow minded and are nothing but a pack of sad bigots....the fact that I couldnt join their fans forum is a joke...i even e-mailed the admin....no reply at all.
Also ,Picture the scene ...myself and my girlfriend driving back from a day trip to Newcastle , we drove through Annalong in a Louth Reg car, and we were stopped by the psni because of a orange march. You would want to see the looks of complete hate we were given...Nothing to do with football true but a good encounter of what the unionists are like. (Im a member of the church of Ireland to which is the funny thing)
bwagner whilst I have never had an experience like that, as we would have been going to omagh or belfast ( which would have been a little more used to southern reg cars ), I do know a fair few northern "unionists" and have met many in my time and they are not all bad, and I was pleasantly suprised to find out that all of the ones ive met, dont have the view that some politicians sprouted in the past i.e. "southern neanderthals running amok in a bandit state".
Bwagner surely you weren't refused registering for the all inclusive, open minded, welcoming to all men internet site that is www.ourweecountry.co.uk (according to EalingGreen).Quote:
Originally Posted by bwagner
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Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Here EG I still am locked out of viewing your site. I thought anyone could view for free and join it or is that only at the elite's discretion?