You can get much higher than that on betfair. Aussies are in inconsistent form, and I'm not expecting much from them.
Much rather back SA e/w at 9/1
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You can get much higher than that on betfair. Aussies are in inconsistent form, and I'm not expecting much from them.
Much rather back SA e/w at 9/1
Each way certainly, although cannot at this stage see them winning it. However, as you say nothing serious in front of them until the semi's and the AB's hate the sight of the Aussies as they always seem to be able to beat them when it matters. Following the same logic SA look a decent bet as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Bet on Ireland at 16/1 about 2 months ago. Out to 20's now.
also have O'Gara at 14/1 to be top tournaments points scorer
With the all blacks having Portugal, Romania and Italy in their group, I reckon they are going to score a minimum of 30 tries in those games. Carter will convert most, plus probably score one or two of them himself, so I can't see beyond him to be top points scorer.
Carter's nailed on. Even if he only plays 2 of the group games IMO
Bar Shaggy, its a full strength team lining out v Namibia.
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Originally Posted by joeSoap
Can you imagine what the score is gonna be when New Zealand play Portugal :eek:
Whats the record victory at world cup?
I think New Zealand put 150 or so on Japan one year.
All Blacks beat Japan 145-20 something in 1995. Biggest winning margin is Australia 142 - 0 Namibia. Last World Cup.
The handicap for Ireland game on Sunday is 60 points. Very difficult bet as its hard to know how much Ireland will chase the points.
We should cover 60. No reason why we should concede and we should be well capable of scoring 10 tries
We'll easily cover 60. Great bet.
Sorry if this has been covered already as I've only just joined this thread.
What result should we hope for in FRA vs ARG?
Are there bonus points etc. on offer for tries scored etc.?
How are tied treams separated?
nil all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Broadly I don't think it matters hugely. Beating one of France or Argentina will take us through.
My line of thinking originally was that if FRA win then a win over FRA or ARG will take us through, as you say, so that's what we want.
But if ARG win, then a win over FRA or ARG may win the group for us (depending on the rules in event of a tie) which'd mean we avoid NZ.
Doesnt matter as long as we beat both of them! I would have thought though that if not a draw between them then a less than 7 points victory for either side
Can you explain please? Are bonus points on offer?Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
What would happen if we all won 3 games?
Yes. A point for scoring 4 tries & a point for losing by less than 7 points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
We have 4 games in the group, two (Namibia and Georgia) are guaranteed wins (contrary to cliché, there are easy games in international rugby). If we also beat France and Argentina, we'll win the group and play the runners up in New Zealand's group; either Scotland or Italy in the quarter finals.Quote:
What would happen if we all won 3 games?
I don't think there are bonus points in the RWC, haven't been in any of the previous tournaments
I stand corrected, bonus points are included this time, still we need to win 3 games and we're through & 4 to have a real chance of going all the way
They are being used for this one.
ya bonus points came in for the first time in the 2003 World Cup
OK, so if we all beat Georgia and Namibia, and we each win one and lose one of the France / Argentina / Ireland clashes, it'll all go down to bonus points?Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
bonus points and also points difference as far as i know, so its vital Ireland rack up a very high score against namibia cause more than likely both france and argentina will put up nearly a cricket score.
just saw this on paddy power.... wtf is it a legal name change or just an un-offical??!!
The Tongan player, formerly known as Epeli Taione has changed his name to Paddy Power for the 2007 Rugby World Cup. On 28 September Paddy Power will line out for Tonga against England and we’ve got all the betting
:eek:
Ideally we'd want a low scoring draw for FRA-ARG (i.e. each scoring less than 4 tries).
Failing that, we'd want one or other of them to win by 8 points or more, without scoring 4 tries (we don't want the losing team to pick up a BP).
Win = 4 points
Draw = 2 points
Loss = 0 points
Bonus Points:
4 tries or more = 1 point
defeat by 7pts or less = 1 point.
(It is possible to get 2 Bonus Points in a game if you lose narrowly, but still somehow manage to score 4 tries. You don't get multiple Bonus Points for scoring multiples of 4 tries - i.e. scoring 8 tries gives you 1 BP, not 2).
Argentina have started well so far. 17-9 up after the 1st half.
Before tonight I felt a France win was a good thing but after Argentina won don't think it matters.
Ireland need to focus on winning the group & avoiding the All Blacks for a few more games. We can't beat NZ in the quarter final so its all or nothing to win the group.
Great win for the Argies, delighted for them.:) France need a new word to be coined to describe how bad they were. But still weren't too far away from victory given the affable Argentinians slightly inept attacking performance with a questionable preponderance of garryowens. Their hooker gave a legendary Keith Wood-esque performance, even getting a great grubber kick in there, heroic. Pity Pipe Contepomi didn't get either of those kicks at the end to deny fumbling France an undeserved bonus point. Started watching the match on TV3 but soon switched to ITV given Conor McNamara's amazingly annoying voice and tangible lack of rugby knowledge. TV3's post-match coverage was pretty good alright though.
Hopefully we can beat the fragrant French, on tonight's showing we'd easily win, to set up an 'ok we both go through but I don't want to play NZ' tussle with los pumas. Though given our predisposition for making things hard on ourselves we'll probably have to beat Argentina by more than seven to go through.
Just to avoid any confusion I'll set out the possible variations for future reference (you'll love me for this Stutts!);
A) If we beat France we go through. Then it's down to the Argentina match to see who tops the group, winner takes all.
B) If France beat us by more than seven, unless we score four tries in beating Arg we must deny them a BP, be it for losing by seven or less or for four tries scored. If we do, we go through as we beat Arg. France will likely top the group.
C) If we get a BP in defeat against the frogs, then beat Arg by more than seven, France and us will go through. France would probably top the group as they beat us, unless we get more try BPs than them in the two games. (If Arg score four tries while losing to us by seven our more and we don't score four tries they would go through in our stead, that's crazy talk really though, gotta keep the geeks happy mind.)
D) If we get a BP in defeat against Laporte's lambs, and allow Arg to sneak a BP in defeat against us then, as we all beat each other, the two teams with the best points difference go through, unless some team scores four tries.
E&OE:p
Scenario D is the only one that comes down to points difference. We should be looking to score 90 points against Namibia and 60 against Georgia to see that we don't see an agonising repeat of the Six Nations debacle.
:confused: Come on, if I can figure the above out without a calculator and more than twenty braincells then anything is possible! Plus the match would be on in Cardiff with 60,000 baying Irishmen.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
I suppose another way of looking at it is if the team are serious about winning the competition then it shouldnt matter to them whether we play NZ in the 1/4s or the finalQuote:
Originally Posted by pete
Saints in heaven, that almost sounds like a positive post pete! And this from Ireland's foremost miserabilist/Daily Mail reader. Have you been at the holy water or what? :confused: ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
:ball: PP
Passion won't beat a fresh NZ team in the 1/4 final especially as the Ireland players would off the back of 2 very physical games. When is the last time we beat them?
God we were sh*tehttp://forum-images.hardware.fr/images/perso/prozac.gif
Ireland will not make it out of the group.
can somebody please explain what 'betting without new zealand' means, before I make an ass of myself in the bookies :cool:
If New Zealand win it's whoever comes second. If NZ don't win it's whoever wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flea
25 mins 15-0 up and dropped ball twice in sight of the line. Too many unforced errors by Ireland.
O'Gara's kicking a bit off too. 20-0 now though.
20-3 Ht
We should pull out, embarrassment awaits