Its happened many times before.
McGrath Moran Stapleton
Giles,Cantwell Brennan
Best Brennan and Dunne
Keane Irwin and and possibly O'Shea also.
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Its happened many times before.
McGrath Moran Stapleton
Giles,Cantwell Brennan
Best Brennan and Dunne
Keane Irwin and and possibly O'Shea also.
Roche Grimes and DalyQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Yeah, he's even tackling his team mates going by that! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Buller
O'Shea took over the captaincy as well when Neville went off. yes its only a league cup game but still great honour.
He's been captain before in League Cup games, not sure if he's ever worn the armband in the Premier LeagueQuote:
Originally Posted by elroy
The more I am seeing Gibson, the better he is becoming, and in those games, he appears to be playing the holding roll rather than stringing passes about. At times, his passing can be poor but he is young and will learn from it, I think his ability to get the ball and to contain the opposition players is really good, although my brother seems to think that he will not be at Man United for too much longer, expecting a bit too much, I think.
Hmm, he did alright from what I saw. Didn't really stand out but did nothing really wrong either. His long term future probably is not at Old Trafford in my opinion but this run of games in the Carling Cup certainly won't do him any harm in the long run. A Wembley final if selected would be more welcome experience for him.
Best, Brennan , Tony Dunne and Pat Dunne
Pretty much agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
With Scholes, Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher, Hargreaves and Giggs all ahead of him, I doubt he has a future at United.
Scholes & Giggs are near the end of their careersQuote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
Hargreaves is injury prone and if rumours are to be believed might be shipped out in the summer
Fletcher is not all that, there are others in the mix too, Park is a good player who can play in the middle but I wouldn't write off his chances just yet.
ya but united werent the force they are now.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
how much longer are scholes and giggs going to go for? Hargreaves is always injured and anderson is average enough. He is fighting for his place against the likes of carrick and fletcher if you ask me, until of course ferguson brings in another midfielder things will then get difficult. Just looking at that uniteds defensive midfield is nothing special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
Not sure age helps much there. You either have the ability to pass a ball well or you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
Probably won't be the most popular of posts but I thought Gibson was very poor last night. The only positive thing I would say about his performance was that he was involved and seen plenty of the ball. Unfortunately his distribution was very poor and I felt it was mainly due to carelessness. It was like he was trying to appear too cool for school at times just throwin his leg at it. As for Anderson being an average player I think is a mental statement. He's had an enormous impact in his short time at United and is still only 20 (younger than Gibson I might add).
I wouldn't go that far for the simple reason that I don't see him play often enough. Unless u are a regular visitor to United reserve matches it's difficult to form a proper opinion really I think. Last night was the first time I've seen him play 90mins for United in his preferred position and I thought he was sloppy but wouldn't write the guy off completely. Of course in the Cyprus match he looked completely out of his depth and was disappointing again against Poland faded horribly after a promising opening 10-15mins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
I only saw from 15th to 30th minute (so sod all basically) and thought he did ok, nothing particularly positive but he kept it ticking along and played some neat passes under pressure. One paper gave him 7/10, only Nani getting higher. OK, if anyone who saw him and thought he was sloppy I can't argue with that.
For me he doesn't "add value" enough and tends to let others look for the ball a bit more assertively but I think he's a handy enough player already. I think CM is a tough position - easy to look crap and hard to look good.
Worst Irish player in Premiership? I think you need to head up to Sunderland - there's plenty of competition for that title up there, a certain ginger CB leading the way.
When did you become a consultant stutts?! I have a feeling i used that term before here and you swiped it from me.....
Its a pity for Mschane that they recalled him because sbragia probably doesnt really want him either, just as cover on the worst days.
complete rubbish. wasnt outstanding but was far from very poor. one obvious early badly misplaced pass apart he was solid enough with a very decent workrateQuote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
He attempted a pass without side of boot to O'Shea at left back. Underhit it and the full back carried it out. He made the most effort to win it back, and was unlucky not to. Theres two ways to react to that pass, scold him for messing it up affecting his confidence, or encourage him because had it come off, United had a two on one against an exposed full back. I'd be a proponent of the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
He won a crunching tackle, then picked himself up to outjump two players, including his own to win a header. Good determination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buller
United Fans nickname for Tomas Kuszczak because well he looks like a PigQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
When Giggs and Scholes leaves, he'll be behind Carrick, Hargreaves, Fletcher and Anderson. One positive is that he is ahead of Possebon at this stage. The problem is, is that when Giggs and Scholes leave, United will replace them. His future is probably away from United.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carrigaline
WUMQuote:
Originally Posted by Ciaran
An excellent workrate would be the least I'd expect from a guy trying to make it at one of the biggest clubs in the world so I'd give him no brownies for that. And on that point I think he could have worked harder to be honest. I was glad to see that he was involved in the game though (cos he wasn't in his Irish matches) and if his passing was better then it would have been a solid enough performance. If u really reckon he had only one misplaced pass then I reckon u must have made a nice few cups of tea during the match!!Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
watched the match for 90mins with the sole purpose of seeing how oshea and gibson did. both performed well. a good work rate is only noticed if it manifests itself with good tackles, tracking back etc and i saw that from gibson. solid performance rather than spectacular. some papers gave him a good rating too so i'm happy enough that my judgement on this is reasonable enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by BarelyLegal
To each their own, definitely an improvement on what I've seen of him so far so I'm not too disheartened by what I thought was a sloppy performance. Like I say if he tidied up the passing the performance would have been adequate against terrible opposition it must be said. I hope he does turn out to be a good player for us obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Looks like he'll get his run out at Wembley anyway according to Fergie...Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
"Finals are always hard to get in to and the young lads have done fantastically well to get there," he said. "It was a great performance and they (the youngsters) will all be playing in the final."
Do u need the papers to vindicate your own opinions or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
If you don't mind, could you keep seeing him?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
I have no choice, My brother watches MUTV, and looks at the reserve games quite often :D
AKA The "Sex and the City" excuse ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
I am not saying he is goint to turn into a Roy Keane or anything but when Keane first went to utd he was far from the finished article. He was at that time an average passer(or slightly below) but he really worked on this and became a much better passer. In fact I believe that was Keanes greatest strength as a player. He always worked on his game and it was not until he was a senior player that he did not strive to improve. It was his willingness to learn and improve and steely determination that turned him into the player he was. Those qualities would not go amiss in any young person. Those that think they know it all are lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
I think Gibson did really well last night. What I think some people fail to realise is how little time they had on the ball, I don't think viewing it on television helps in this respect. Derby had a game plan to get in their faces and perhaps this contributed to a couple of slack passes he provided.
However, that said, from seeing him previously and seeing him last night there has definately been an improvement in his positioning and passing. He was always close the ball and providing support for his team-mates. He also gave a lovely through ball in the second half which I think many people have failed to pick up on.
All in all it was a decent performance from a player who appears to be getting more than a cursory glance from Alex Ferguson. He doesn't pick his teams out of sentiment (save Paul Scholes in the Champions League Final) and this point alone should leave us encouraged that even if he doesn't have a future at Man Utd, he may well have a future at the highest level.
I only seen about 5 minutes of the match last night so cant comment on his overall performance but one of the only things I seen him do was play a lovely ball behind the full back for Ronaldo to run onto, I thought it showed very good vision
I think I first used the term here to describe what I thought Alan Quinn did well in the Unity Cup (and in general), whereas I thought Matt Holland in the first game just moved it sideways. In my mind it's the equivalent of passing the gain line in rugby. If you can beat that then I'll concede defeat!Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
On basis of the first leg when he moved into the middle and the 15 mins I saw last night I agree - he has a CM's instinct in that he knows his "out ball" before he receives it and I've seen him receive very difficult passes in tight spaces and with no time and he still laid the ball off accurately to a team mate, making it look easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
I think I've said a few times here that I was at a Sunderland game at QPR 2 seasons ago and in the warm up they were playing a mass game of one touch possession football, 7 against 7 in a very tight area defined by cones. Graham Kavanagh was superb, never losing possesion once. Liam Miller was dreadful, barely ever keeping it! I think it's universally established that a genuine central midfielder has this ability.
Kuszczak's nickname (PIG) is an acronym for Pole-in-goal (he's polish of course).
Has nothing to do with looking like a pig. Bit harsh i'd say
Back to topic: I think gibson did ok, gave the ball away too often tho.
Ha ha, brilliant.Quote:
Originally Posted by ofjames
Didn't see last night's game but general consensus in work was that he was better than the first leg. I thought he was Man Utd's best midfielder in the first leg so I'll take that.
Thought his performance was only ok against Derby, but it says a hell of a lot that Ferguson is now playing him in the middle, and giving him the full 90 minutes. Extremly similar player to Carrick. Some of the people that are saing he was terrible probably say hi two misplaced passes early on and decided to jude him simply on that. He was very solid after this. It really really worries me that certain Irish fans can come out with a statement that he is the worst Irish player in the Premiership. He has now made his way bove possebon in the United squad and that says a lot as Fergie was singing Possebons praises at the end of last season. Trap and Fergie kow their stuff and they obviously see something worthwhile in Gibson
I wouldnt pay any attention the person that came out with that statement... he is constantly making ridiculous statementsQuote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Why would u assume that somebody would be thick enough to rate his performance on 2 misplaced passes early on? People's ratings of players performances vary in every single match, it doesn't have to mean that one of those people haven't a clue or made a snap decision on watchin five mins of the match.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Gibson looked alright against Derby, but I think the key thing to remember is, looking alright is very difficult to do in a cup semi-final when you're playing with players the calibre that Man United put out.
Apart from a few mistakes, which should be expected of any youngster, he did alright.
The key thing for me is that he didn't look out of place.
There's no doubt in my mind that he'll be a Premiership footballer at some stage, but I still have my doubts about it being with United.
As Stutts is asking, does he add enough going forward? At this point I don't think so, and that'll have to change if he's going to make it with United.
But he's got the ability, and it may just be a matter of him becoming more confident in his ability, which hopefully will come with time.
I have seen a few matches of him playing at reserve level, and he looks to be very positive in those games, so I don't think it's an ability issue, but a confidence issue.
Hopefully with time he can develop into a better all-around midfielder for us, but I'm still not entirely convinced that he should be starting for us at this stage of his career.
im assuming he will get started this week in the FA cup?!