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I don't know mate, but in the South Terrace there was buggar all noise all night!Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
My mate also watched it on TV and it was one of the first things he noticed about the match - the lack of noise. And he watches nearly every game....
Were there the "IRA/SinnFein" add-ons? If so, bloody disgraceful. Idiots.
Aye mate, I couldn't believe it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
It was a group of kids, probably none of which were older than 10/11 and the worst thing about it was there was parents/minders singing with them :(
But I'm not one to tar proper fans with the same brush, as a whole the fans were fine :)
Surprised to hear some people booing at the end of the game (not at all surprised to see half the crowd leave before the end, as usual, though - and yeah, the extra 6 minutes was bizarre, any chance of a betting scam? Would anyone ever offer odds on the length of a game:confused: :eek: ).
Don't forget - this is only the first game Staunton has lost in his entire managerial career at all levels. The run had to end some time I suppose.
Kilbane should probably be first choice left back and we now know he can cover center-half if we have an injury crisis. It seems some people just have a mental block and can't see any good in him no matter how he plays. I believe there's a rule that Killer must play in every competitive international so, having gone from winger to central midfielder, we can see that his progression will continue to full back and on to centre-half over the next two or three qualifying campaigns..
McGeady looked sharp and flashy when he came on but for all his nice touches he didn't really get any great results and towards the end the Chilean defence seemed to get more of a handle on him. Hopefully he will continue to progress but at the moment I'd have Andy Reid in ahead of him.
rubbish game
two rubbish teams
anyone got Ian Dowie or Brian Kerr's number?
The atmosphere in Lansdowne is always poor except for the odd qualifier. You cant compare it to the likes of an away game (where you see very few Celtic jerseys in my experience). Its to do with the real fans been spread around the ground and diluted by no-mark fans (like the Celtic fans you described).
You always get sections of idiots putting that into the fields of athenry, its embarrassing alright. I never sing the fields of athenry myself, there is something tacky about it at home games, it doesnt sound right, yet at anfield "the fields of anfield road" is one of the best sung songs and sound great. Personally I would ban celtic jerseys from ireland games. I dont get Celtic fans, why can supporters of every other club avoid wearing their club shirt yet they cant?
[QUOTE=Paddy Garcia]That's a good point and not something that I would really disagree with. A winning mentality breeds success, I just think that in the circumstances i.e. end of season friendly with players a little out of sync from not playing and one eye on their summer holidays means I can dilute it a little.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
The result IMO in a game of this nature counts for nothing but the nature of the performance always does. In that way it was disappointing but like I said earlier, if it was in a competitive game I'd be more worried.
I fully agree mate. At N. Ireland matches we have basically eradicated the problem in the last few years and now you really do see the very odd one or two Rangers tops, which is good to see people wearing the national shirt to national games.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
I also agree with the true supporters travelling to away matches, as you will always inevitably get hangers-on at home matches, no matter what country is playing.
I can only assume you're on a wind up here, you're factually wrong on the money front and your opinion is pathetically misguided otherwise anyway. Byrne did turn down a half million move to the Swedish champions over christmas you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by vega007
Was the offer actually accepted Slash??Quote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
I'm ecstatic we got beaten because after a meaningless result against Sweden it seemed O'Shea's (numerous) sins in an Ireland jersey had all been forgiven (even though he was average against Sweden) and the 5 minute memory brigade were calling for him to be a mainstay of our midfield for our upcoming qualifiers. Now finally we might get him out before the important games begin and he does real damage though I fear Stan is too much of a gobs**te to drop him if he's getting his game for united.
And please no silly we have no-one better comments - Kavanagh, S Reid, A Reid, J O'Brien, Ireland and even Owen Garvan should all be given the go ahead in central midfield before that donkey again surely none of them could be as consistently s**t no matter how inexperienced they are.
Question:
Name one good O'Shea performance in an Ireland shirt I can't think of a single one in 5 years since his debut.
Yes I wondered that. Not that Doyle didn’t play well, but he was on the losing side. For me it had to be Given, if it hadn’t been for him it would have been a lot worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
I guess it’s only right that Staunton precides over one of our best performances in a while followed by one of our worst. Didn't mean anything though, best time to lose and if they needed bringing down to earth.....
Couldn’t agree more and yesterday did nothing to answer those questions. I’m normally a defender of friendlies but with the exception of a couple of good individual performances that was largely meaningless. Thought the biggest problems was the centre of midfield, we lost our shape too often and it makes it difficult to judge the rest of the performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Initially no but it ultimately was and the player himself turned the move downQuote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
Who would you have played? With so many options injured, it was him or O'Shea.Quote:
Originally Posted by vega007
Kilbane did quite well. Frankly, there was far too much competition for our worst player on the pitch. Kelly was very poor, and Harte hasn't improved at all (shock :rolleyes:). Miller and O'Shea were anonymous at best, and I thought Reid gave away a lot of the ball. Kavanagh did well enough when he came on. I've been an O'Shea apologist, but I think I'd rather see Kavanagh start against Holland now.
McGeady looks promising, but he seems to be a poor passer and not much at crossing the ball. Still, he's young yet, and it's nice to have a player with a little penetration.
Doyle did fine, but was starved of service, ditto Robbie, while Byrne played well enough to justify his callup.
Henderson looked suspect. I though he was beaten on any number of narrow wides.
You really are clueless, aren't you? 30 seconds a sub. Given there'd been 11 subs made at that point (and another during it)...Quote:
Originally Posted by vega007
Yeah suprised people were suprised at the 6 mins of injury time. The subs on the Ireland team add up to 3 mins on their own.
I thought it was a poor game and Miller and O Shea were lost in midfield and never got a hold of the ball. Reid is not a right winger also and we cannot play 3 at the back. If Staunton takes all those points from the game I will be happy. He should also take that Kilbane is better far away from the opposition goal and as close to our goal.
Kilbane is an honest hard working play who is physical pacey strong and knows how to win a tackle. I think left back is the spot for him.
Team V Germany will be
Given
Finnan O Brien Dunne Kilbane
Carr Kavanagh Reid Duff
Keane Doyle/Morrison
Yeah, but surely this shouldn't be the case? Most of the subs were made in one go and hardly took up 3 minutes to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
But that is the rule and hence the injury time.
Don't be foolish. Many friendly internationals have more subs than that and refs don't add on ridiculous amounts of time. In some games an entirely different team comes out for the second half on both sides yet I never remember watching a game with 11 extra mins. It's a friendly these rules are (and should be) let slide.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Why do people give a damn how many minutes there were at the end it was a friendly and 6 minutes suited us.
I don't know about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hither green
I thought we learnt for sure that Kelly is way down the pecking order, Miller isn't strong enough, O'Shea just hasn't got it as a CM, that KK is an option at left back, Steven Reid is best suited to a central job, McGeady has promise...
At least Staunton now knows (at least I hope he does) that certain options are eliminated to fill the spaces in that XI detailed above.
It's a pity we still haven't had a chance to look at Lawrence. A further look at Joey O'Brien and a first look at Owen Garvan & Paddy McCarthy would be useful but I suspect the qualifying campaign will be well underway before this happens.
There is NO RULE that says 30 seconds per substitution. FACT!
I should have added that I agree totally with that part!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hither green
I think the atmosphere at Lansdowne ebbs and flows with the occassion...if we had been playing Italy needing a win to qualify for the world cup there would have been an amazing atmosphere.
But we were playing a team where I'm sure the vast majority of Ireland fans did not know any of the oppositions players (except maybe the chap who was at Liverpool), in a game with no immediate consequence, and fielding a bunch of half-interested players.
It's foolish to suggest that it's unreasonable to stick to the normal guidelines now? Yes, it would have been nice to just see it blown up with no injury time, but to be shocked or angry at it?Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Oh, and there was a max of six subs last night.
Why wouldnt you ffs? You might be surprised that the international team is called IRELAND:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by vega007
Go back to the barstool. Jason Byrne has been the top scorer in the league for the last 3 seasons and has scored in Europe and fyi the league here is on a par with the championship/league 1 in your beloved ingerland.
Atmosphere appalling again last night but why are we shocked? For 90% of the crowd this is the only live football they see.
KOH
No one said there was. It's a rule of thumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by monutdfc
Much like the rule of thumb that says that people who use "FACT!" to make a point are often idiots.
LOL,now that made me laugh:D ,no disrespect to the EL but it is nowhere near the standard of the Championship in England.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
eh, I think someone did say it was a ruleQuote:
Originally Posted by Slash/ED
and here's someone else who said it was a rule (but reckoned it is and should be let slide)Quote:
Originally Posted by youngirish
Totally agree, I thought Lawrence should have had a run against Sweden. It's another midfield option we should have explored.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Ah yes - sure the eL is like the unibond league. I mean how the hell did Jason Byrne get a run last night - how the hell did Gamble get in the squad. In fact why the hell does anyone bother to support the eL - sure it will never get anywhere. I think I'm going to give up supporting Cork City and take my money to the far superior league that is the Coca Fcukin Cola Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
To all eL fans : just give it up there no point anymore.
Sorry for the rant - I just thought one moronic post should follow another.
Yeah but thats just your opinion. I'm basing mine on actually watching games in the 3 leagues I've mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
KOH
Went to the game last night the amount of little scumbags who attend these games is unreal :mad: . Anyway, as said before, terrible game, terrible atmosphere.
And for the barstoolers - without the eL there would be no national team so be grateful. What's the next game you'll be at? Why not head to Malahide and Pats in the cup, that will have passion and a great atmosphere!
Byrne certainly held his own against a "star studded" team of Premiership players & a few Championship players so idiotic arguments here.
To lose at home to 64th ranked team in the world must be a new record in modern times. Worst performance i have seen in Lansdowne & because almost all players played poorly Staunton has to take the blame.
I did not see Ireland play 3-4-3 last night as looked like 4-4-2 to me all game.
You cannot afford to experiement in international football as so few games. Friendlies are to be used to prepare for competitive games & to try out a few different players.
Its quiet clear now that the players were on the beer or lying on the beach in Portugal as most of them couldn't be bothered last night. FFS Steven Reid couldn't even pass the ball further than 10 yards. :rolleyes:
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by totalfootball
Anyway, I'm all for trying new ideas but only if the personnel available suit the idea. In my mind, trying Kelly was a big enough decision without trying to create a new position for him. Finnan has all the attributes required to play as part of a back 3, but not Kelly. Likewise I was disappointed to see Reid on the right of midfield. Kerr's mistake against Italy was not trying a new shape, it was deploying inapproriate personnel in doing so. Same mistake last night too.
Very good,but you haven't actually told me how the standard of football and the product that you are paying for is actually better than the Championship in England.The EL does nothing whatsoever to attract people to go and support it,if you go once you need to be attracted back again and this doesn't happen in Ireland,the facilities aren't up to it,the standard of football isn't great and you just don't get value for money imo,if this improves I will start to go again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
Well said Stuttgart, but people are going over the top here. Its an end of season friendly lets enjoy the World Cup and the EL Season and look forward to the qualifiers in the Autumn.
Try reading the actual posts. Nobody said it was better than the championship. Again the standard ON THE PITCH is on a par with championship/league 1.
The facilities are bad and there is not much advertisement but people in the game are working very hard to improve all the time.
It's a bug and live football is miles better than shouting at a tv screen.
KOH
Lads why do people constantly post wind ups having a go against the Eircom League. Its pretty obvious that the standard of the league has improved a huge amount of the last 5 years.
EL performances in Europe have improved through Shels and Cork City .
I would agree that the standard is in about the same as the Championship in England. The performance of Kevin Doyle over in England is evidence of this.
The facilities are lacking but at the end of the day its not a night at the opera either. You go to the game you shout your lungs out and you go home again. You dont need a comfy chair etc.
Great strides have been made and it should be good to watch out good the EL sides do in Europe this year.
Saying that I though Byrne looked limited last night in his first touch etc but was certainly good in the air and his size and presence disrupted the Chilean back four. If we are looking for a big man amongst our strikers I would have him ahead of Alan Lee and Doherty but behind Keane, Doyle and Morrison.
Yeah and we DOMINATED those 6 minutes. In your f*cking face Chile!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
thanks - unfortunately I'm not going to get drawn into the debate of the haves and have nots of the Coca Cola c'ship v the eircom league. Comments like "the eL does nothing whatsoever to attract people" tells me you know sweet FA about the eL. I have nothing against the Championship and watch loads of games, But saying the eL is "nowhere near" is blatently untrue and didnt warrent the intelligent reply i think you were looking for. The comment got what it deserved - sarcasm and derision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dublin12
44,000 at the game last night - wonder what the combined attendence will be for the 16 FAI cup games on over the weekend? Unfortunately peoples perception is one thing due to listening to twits like Naill Quinn tell us what a player Reading made out of Kevin Doyle!!! (what a joke) and the reality is somewhat different.