Btw Oriel, Hoban should get himself a new agent. Just saying
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Btw Oriel, Hoban should get himself a new agent. Just saying
Yes heard it was the agent causing a lot of the sh't stirring in this episode with Hoban.
Agents obviously get their cut from players contract terms and transfer fees so may stir for their own benefit, but the player ultimately calls the shots but Its easier to think the agent is the issue rather than than the player and club legend thats is still under contract. Maybe its a bit fickle by me but rarely convinced by players' kissing crests lierally or methphorically.
Dont see how Hoban can say he was told he wasnt wanted at the club if that wasnt the case or is he that naive that he'd believe his agent if he was being an ass - the club could reassure the player problem sorted but were silent on the whole thing with no denial so not so much an agent acting up. Trying for better terms or a contract extension when the club was talking of p/t hybrid and budget cuts wasnt going to fly if that was the aim. It just seems most likely that prior to new ownership his wages were considered too high to keep on the books with club cutting its cloth. Assuming S'OD wasnt trying to offload him either.
New owner, new money and maybe then the agent may now saying put yer money where yer mouth is and prove his player is wanted. The club should hold him to his existing contract and see how things go for an extension in due course. Hoban could show his loyalty and love for the club, a gentlemans agreement with the manager should be as good as a signed contract!! Capitulate and other contracted players may have noses out of joint, pushes up demands from potential signings, it all gets messy and expensive.
Or its all set up for a big Christmas announcement.....
Agree with most of that of that Nesta but my opinion is that Hoban's agent was very aware of a takeover at Dundalk ahead and tried to game that fact for his players advantage. That's his job you could say but bluff got called and it looks like they've quickly backed away from their demands.(Hoban and agent)
Would expect him to still be a Dundalk player for '24 on terms agreed
To be clear any talk of going p/t - hybrid / cuts, was only ever in scope if StatSports majority stake owners were still in charge come 2024, hence reason it was vital for the takeover to happen, so DFC could plan properly for the season ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Budget will be similar to 2023 now.
It's the same around the league. Bohs have 18 players under contract still for next season and going by the reactions of some fans online you'd think we didn’t have enough to field a five a side team. Maddening to witness every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Per this link, it seems Ainscough is stepping down from Boston to fully focus on Dundalk in 2024.
https://x.com/jamesrogersie/status/1...113358988?s=20
Is he assuming CEO responsibilities? I read an article a week or so back he was saying he was assuming the CEO role temporarily before making a decision whether to appoint a CEO, if he is mostly over in Dundalk with feet on the ground rather than remotely in the states just after a takeover you would think it's better for him and the club
Certainly suggests at least that he plans to be permanently based in Louth.
I think the plan is to keep Martin Connolly in as COO, he is a brother of Andy (fastfix) previous 50% owner SK era and 1/3 with Statsports, also BA wants to hire a commercial manager to be in role as early as Jan, and more office / admin staff, so he seems to be re-vamping things, would imagine if he has all that in place, he will want all to report into him weekly, along with SOD as manager and B Gartland as recruitment / player liasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
I think I read that he hoped to be over on average a week out of every month. Maybe this will change now he has no commitments outside of family due to his resignation from the Bolts.Quote:
Originally Posted by culloty82
Any figure mentioned?
https://www.independent.ie/regionals...259006433.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by pateen
At least €750K I hope.....
Wow! That article is pretty grim reading for anyone with Dundalk at heart. I didn’t realise things were so bad off the pitchQuote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
The 550K due from UEFA this summer will also help, but yeah was some mess left by StatSports lead group for the 2 seasons of 2022 + 2023. For all the bad p6 did, they left 1.3M or so in the account end of 2021. Then again they wasted part of the 2016 EL group stage and most of 2020 group stage monies.
Crikey - really reads like the worst of the 00s, doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
Personally I found this part worryingQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
"The playing staff and the budget for the first-team has been largely unaffected but one of the main areas of strife in recent months has been around claimed European bonuses for last season which, thus far, have gone unpaid. In this case, the lack of a written agreement remains one of the club’s biggest defences but the matter is seemingly not going away with the PFAI having been consulted on the matter and a representative for at least one of the players who believe they are owed understood to be taking legal advice on the subject this week."
There's something dodgy there as I can't imagine players and their agents agreeing to European bonuses and them not being written into the contract. Maybe I'm naive and it's a pretty normal thing to happen in the football world but strikes me as being something like the dual contract situation in Derry back in the early 10's or late 00's
I would have thought if there is nothing in writing either in the contract or any other document then the players wouldn’t have any comeback.
Either way, looking for bonuses for last years European “performances” made me laugh.
It's almost as if people didn't learn any lessons from previous clubs wildly spending money on their first team instead of investing in club structures.
Well verbal contracts are a thing but it just strikes me as not being the norm in this situation...or any situation really outside of sales between 2 private individuals. Not even sure how you would prove a verbal contract existed in court unless every player had the exact same story, bonus structure etc and had other witnesses to say it was an agreement between both sides etc. Just strikes me as something fishy happening as you would imagine any agent worth his salt would be making sure that all agreed bonuses are written into the contract before signing. Be interesting to see what the PFAI find anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Yeah like wild Bill wasnt told that he was ripped off, and all local involvemnet in the club didnt resign in protest, while dignified charcters like Burton among others never rubbed their hands. 250k igning on fee is not normal behaviour even in LoI!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Regardless of the heat we were dreadful in Gibraltar, lucky to get away with a draw, then got the 3-1 win at home, but it was 1-1 for a good bit. Enter the Icemen, we were shocking over there in a 3-1 defeat and probably didn't deserve to get a draw at home. Hoban was very poor in 3 of the 4 games too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
Bonus payments indeed, unfortunately its for getting there, not actual games, seems poor form though if agreed and not paid.
Performanc related bonuses are to ensure olayers give it all and perform. They didnt! There may have been a bonus for qualifying i'd pull it for being ****/1
they won through a round and earned more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Any more analysis than that shouldn't really be relevant.
If their performances were sufficient enough to earn the club extra prize money then they should be sufficient enough to be given any bonus that was agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Results are and always will be the only basis to award football bonuses on. Performances are too subjective and would see clubs looking to not award bonuses based on crazy/tight owners definition of what a good performance was or wasn’t
It didn't do Dundee United any harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
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Originally Posted by https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/50700041
Different times, smoking a box of fags at halftime and living on a liquid diet of pints didn’t do them any harm back then either :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitman
Or maybe an aggrieved agent is putting spin on a clause, sort of like when the activation of a contract extension clause is disputed, or when accepted could try to add a new release clause. If it were an entire squad that had claims in....doesnt licencing deal with outstanding money to players from a previous season? Or maybe it was a hand shake drawn on a cigarette paper agreement. As for Zahibo coming knocking...well little surprises at Dundalk at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
Most of the money Dundalk earned back in the day did go to the players.seems a couple of players not from then thought that the same "loose" contract from that era applied to them when it didn't.
More annoying for me in the circumstances is that the club didn't pay local businesses invoices when they were due.
Hopefully Ainscough etc is now on top of that issue.
Can see somewhat why the former coo got his marching orders now.
Don't pi*s off your local suppliers while saying you're a community club.
You may have just mentioned the war!Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Ainscough bored of Dundalk and looking to sell up already it seems. Club reportedly due to post a deficit of €1.2m in their 2023 accounts
https://www.independent.ie/regionals...123019098.html
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Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
Any chance a fans trust will want to take over the club? I cant see why Dundalk fans keep trusting their club to owners who have little to no interest in the long term stability of the club
Respectfully, I don't know if Dundalk is a large enough place with the numbers/finances to survive as a PD entity being fan owned. So many challenges, and so much funding needed, I'd only see things get considerably worse in the short-medium term.
There does be a lot of childish chat on social media of clubs "rattling" others but safe to say Pats are taking the crown if they've managed to push an owner of a club over the edge by getting a fixture postponed.
Can it really be worse than a rotating door of owners? I mean they are on the verge of relegation as is and it's not like Ainscough has the financial backing currently to sustain significant losses. So if they do get relegated and Ainscough stays he doesn't have the money to pump into the club to get them straight back into the premier. So the funding challenges are likely to raise their head regardless of if it's a fan ownership model or private ownership. Things can get worse is both scenarios but at least with fan ownership you know the people running the club are likely in it for the long haul.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
A season in the 1st division may be just what the dundalk fans need, just to realise that the only way to save the club they profess to love will be to organize amongst themselves.
Looking for the next snake oil salesman to come along and fund their club is a frankly childish notion.
The fans shouldn't have let him near the club after he left Kerry high and dry. Fella is clearly an idiot miles out of his depth.
The fans taking over the club, at least in the short term, is the logical solution. But, this is the LOI and nothing is logical. Ainscough will look for money for the club and the fans won't be ponying up the money he'll want.
Ainscough clearly never had the funds required to run Dundalk,you’d have to ask serious questions of the people who sold it to him,if Dundalk don’t find another ‘sugar daddy’ and go down the fan ownership route you’d fear a barren few years again,from listening to James Rogers quite a bit over the last couple of years on Dundalk’s fundraising capacity it wouldn’t fill you with confidence,certainly nothing like a Sligo Rovers and what they’ve able to generate…..