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You don't think he dived? Time to go to specsavers.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Horse
way and have a pint or 2 ffsQuote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
wasnt 1 derry fan at the bw thought it wasnt 2nd yellow a s.o
fair play to and comiss to dcfc,tight fought game and unlucky,lottery of pens always a bad way to lose
Fair play Dundalk better side won,Derry competed manfully with 10 men and penalties left it a lottery.
Silly scenes at the end ,soured a good occasion a bit........
None of ye will address the dive though... 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Ye should go in to politics. A lot of talk while dodging the issue!!! 😂
And what has that got to do with whether he dived or not? That'd be like saying the Dundalk player didn't handle the ball last week because the "Cork City fans didn't make a fuss about it".Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
Oh wait. Ye did say that...
Ye dalk heads have a funny way of justifying cheating...
You focus on keeping away from the relegation play-off and leave the debate to those of us in the hunt for trophies!Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Fair play to Derry tonight, they played very well when down to 10 men. The extra player was not noticeable as Derry's shape and cohesive movement was excellent.
The playing conditions were difficult, a swirling wind, and very greasy and fast surface. Both keepers made mistakes that were at least partly due to the conditions.
Penalties are a horrible way to decide a final and the scenes at the end were very disappointing. The Dundalk fans who invaded the pitch were roundly booed by the rest of the Dundalk fans and I expect they will get lengthy bans from the club.
Tbh I hate criticism of fans invading pitches we have seen it plenty of times with Rovers being criticised for it and tonight Dundalk. Just won a cup final away from home enjoy it and don’t worry about running on the pitch ffs.
Hard to swallow for us but such is life, another 2-2 draw which is a bit of a crazy run.
No issues with McGrath cheating but Jarvis cupping his ears him being a Lonemoor Road man, hopefully he cops a bad one.
Again, dodging the cheating issue. 😂 Ye should seriously consider politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
League cup WINNERS
10 points clear in the prem
s/f FAI cup
:D
Derry,Shams & even Cork fans having a pop at us ;)
We must be doing something right.
yeoooooooooooooooo!!!
If you have a look again at the Gillespie second yellow it should be obvious that Grant Gillespie made a dangerous lunge at the ball and was no where near it - it was a yellow card all day long.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Jamie McGrath had already played the ball and appears to hurdle the challenge. Whether McGrath stays on his feet or not is irrelevant, it was a clear booking for a dangerous and late challenge. If he actually connected with McGrath it could easily have been a straight red. The ref was very close to the incident.
Grant Gillespie was thwe author of his own misfortune
https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/1172968389154938880
Derry played with great spirit and determination for 60 minutes with 10 men
How many times have we seen players pick up stupid yellow cards which come back to haunt them ?
In the heat of the moment people do stupid things.
Last night was the perfect example.
Referee was perfectly correct in his decision.
No one is arguing about it being a yellow. But McGrath dived/cheated in order to sell it to the ref. But none of ye can admit it despite it being as clear as day. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
While it was a stupid challenge by Gillespie, it is also quite likely that if McGrath stays on his feet (which he could have done IMO) the ref may not have booked Gillespie. Ergo, McGrath's cheating has probably got him sent off.
Jarvis was getting abuse from min he came on and every timr he warmed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
Fair play to him for giving a bit back
Read your post again. Then log off and never come back. You've contradicted yourself so many times there it's hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
So the ref was right with the sending off but Dundalk are cheating b*stards? :confused:
You can't lunge in two-footed and studs up while on a yellow; it doesn't matter if you make contact or get the ball or any of those cliches.
No debate required here I think.
Try learning to read. No contradictions. I used big words like "may", "likely" and "probably" when talking about what may have happened if McGrath stayed on his feet. The only definite is that he dived. Yet none of ye will admit it. The denial is staggering. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
No one is arguing about it being a yellow EXCEPT YOU 😳Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Card was justified for the challenge IMO.
Fair dues to Dundalk, would have probably preferred Derry to win (just for novelty) but Dundalk have that knack of getting the result.
I think your making the challenge sound worse than it was. I'm aware that dangerous challenges can receive yellows regardless of contact. IMO this was not one of those challenges.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
When I saw it first, I didn't think dangerous, I thought it was a cynical challenge/professional foul to prevent a counter attack. If McGrath stays on his feet, and launches a counter attack, it is quite likely that the ref waves play on and does not book Gillespie.
Regardless of whether it was a yellow card or not, because we could go around the houses on that one, would you not agree that McGrath dived to the ground without contact?
You don't think McGrath dived?Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
There was no contact alright.
But the ref's decision was still right, because the challenge was potentially dangerous. So there's no "going round the houses on that one"; it was a clear yellow, regardless of whether McGrath went to ground or not.
Did McGrath dive?Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You have already said that no one is arguing about it being a yellow card! Two yellows equals a red. Its fairly simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
The player is responsible for his own actions. You seem to be the only one wanting to cast blame elsewhere
Did McGrath dive though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Umpteenth time asking this simple yes/no question that no one wants to answer.
Probably did. I don't care in this instance though.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Do you agree it was a sending off regardless of whether McGrath dived or just lost his balance trying not to pick up an injury?
Because in no way am I making the challenge sound worse than it was, like you suggest.
BTW, when I said no one was arguing the yellow, that is not the same as saying there is no argument. I outlined an argument to stu above. But I've no interest in arguing if it was a yellow or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
I'm more interested in if people think McGrath dived? Yet everyone is dodging/deflecting/talking about something else like a bunch of spinning politicians. It really is a simple question.
Finally. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I don't care in this instance though.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You really should.
Because it's by far the bigger issue. Otherwise, you're just getting lost in some anti-Dundalk rant and ignoring what really matters.
So I'll ask you again - because whether you care or not is irrelevant - do you agree it was a sending off regardless of whether McGrath dived or just lost his balance trying not to pick up an injury?
(Ironic of you not to answer a direct question seeing as that's exactly what you're giving out about others doing...)
How about the fact that I already answered you at the top of this page. 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And I will add to my post above that McGrath could have hurdled the challenge without diving.
Hurdling a challenge like that doesn't make it not a yellow.
Lunging in like that is a dangerous tackle, and the reason it's an automatic yellow is to avoid player injury. Had he hurdled the tackle, the ref would have been perfectly entitled to give a free anyway and send yer man off.
So your analysis is wrong.
Do you think that if he had hurdled the challenge, got the ball and created a chance that the ref would have 100% come back and branded a yellow card? Because there are plenty of incidents where refs don't go back and book the player.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
My only argument really is that McGrath dived to ensure the yellow card? Would you not agree with that?
There is a wider football argument that, that is the way the game is gone. Players must go down to get the free. And we could argue the morals of whether that is right or wrong until the cows come home.
You can argue (and I think you are, without putting words in your mouth) that he has to dive in this instance and that is the way the game is. I may debate that point with you.
But for me, there is no question that I dived. You acknowledged it youself when you said above thet he "probably did". That is all I'm saying.
Edit above: Replace "I dived" with "he dived".Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
The ref should have come back and booked him, yep.
And because (a) he wasn't really going to create a chance from inside his own half and (b) because it was a red card which was advantageous to Dundalk of itself, he probably would have stopped play there and then.
Because regardless of what you think, you simply can't lunge into tackles like that - two-footed and studs up. For the reasons why, see most of the 1980s. Gillespie's own reaction afterwards shows that.
I'm not arguing at all that he has to dive here (you really are putting words into my mouth). I'm simply saying it's a red (well, second yellow, which is different) whether or not McGrath dived.
"Should" but refs often don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
"Probably would have stopped play there and then". That is very debatable. McGrath may very well have got into a very good position in a 3v3 or similar and in such a case the ref would have to leave play go on and see if a chance comes from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
That's fine but you are going back to being obtuse about "whether he dived or not". For me it's a clear dive, whether he was right to do so or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Not sure what game you were watching, but it was a reckless, totally out of control challenge, that another ref may have given a straight red for. Did you want McGrath to stand there and take the walloping? Would you have gone 'Ah, yeah, he clocked him there alright, that's a booking, I suppose' ? You make it sound like Rivaldo vs Turkey at the WC '02. Whether McGrath dived, or decided to do ten handstands the length of the field,is all utterly irrelevant and fades away when a reckless lunging challenge is thrown into the mix. Intent 1 Dive 0. Correct and only call the ref could have made.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
B..b..but he dived I tells ya! is not a valid argument.
I'm not being remotely obtuse. It was a sending off whether or not McGrath dived. I'm not sure how you're reading my post tbh, but my comment is very clear I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Probably made more of it and yes Dundalk players do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Irrespective of what he did it was a rash tackle and there can be little complaint about the outcome.
Dear oh dear, you really should have taken my advise and logged off.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Did he dive? Matter of opinion. Could well be argued that he jumped out of the way of a dangerous tackle. Is he obliged to stay on his feet? He in no way pretended to have been caught so no play acting. You aside the general consensus is McGrath didn't get him sent off and it was a second yellow