He can move anywhere he wants now. The three-club thing only applies within a season, and the English league season has finished so his clock is reset, so to speak.
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He can move anywhere he wants now. The three-club thing only applies within a season, and the English league season has finished so his clock is reset, so to speak.
Didn't know Fredericks was out-of-contract. West Ham linked also - http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...yan-fredericksQuote:
Originally Posted by zero
Yes, a host of clubs now linked with Fredericks so it very much looks like he will be on the move, with West Ham still the frontrunners.
This is probably why Fulham got Christie in . Good forward planning from Fulham . Their plans are working well at the moment .
Yeah, makes sense. Fingers crossed they don't replace Fredericks without giving Christie the chance. I think he can step up. And I think that facing better players will make him better for us. Trying to keep an eye on Eden Hazard will surely draw improvement over time.
Fredericks signed for West Ham today.Quote:
Originally Posted by zero
Nice to See him Start. Apart From fosu mensah who ARE The othe competitors för him At right Back?
How he and we could do with one or three of those from him while in a green shirt.
Came in for heavy criticism on MOTD2 as the weakest link in fulham's Fragile defence.
I dont think he is anywhere near good enough to be a right back in international football. His positioning is as poor as ive seen for years
Tbf I though he got a bit too much criticism last night - he was criticised for being too far forward and not tracking back enough, but it looked to me like Fulham wanted to really press Arsenal high and keep them in their own half as much as possible. It was a tactic that failed miserably, but it would help to explain his positioning.
Fulham's coach strikes me as tactically naďve, but he seems to have a lot of faith in Christie.
Christie is a high risk, high reward player. He will create chances for you almost every match, but inevitably get caught out of position and expose your defense.
Arsenal appeared to target him or at the least Fulham's right side, and had great success.
I think Christie has value for us against equal or inferior opposition. I have serious concerns about using him against superior opponents.
I would also add that he is a tremendous athlete and it could be worth using him as a winger, even if he is all over the place positionally.
O’Neill used him on right side of life field against Wales and he was not great at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Give Doherty a chance at RB and use a diamond midfield I think
Appears to be having some success raiding down the right against Spurs today, winning the corner that led to Fulham's goal and sending in a good cross that almost led to a goal for Ryan Babel. I know people seem to rate Doherty higher as a full-back/wing-back, but I've also read that Doherty doesn't have the pace to be an out-and-out winger. Christie, on the other hand, does. With that in mind, is there a case to be made for accommodating Christie further up the pitch, especially as we don't really have any pure right-sided winger currently?
He got blamed on Sky for one of the Spurs' goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
It couldn't have been the first goal as some Fulham defender should have cleared the ball, so they must have been talking about the winner. Christie was easily outfoxed as the spurs player sent in a gorgeous inswinger which landed with pin pointed accuracy directly on the head of Winks who was virtually a yard or two out from the goal line, I thought the Sky pundits were critical of the fulham defender who let Winks get goal side.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Christie was quite reasonable at this level and one of the better Fulham players , though he has only one gear - hyperactive, if he stops for a second and pauses there's a good chance he'll be mugged.
Definitely wasn't at fault for the first. And I would have placed blame on the keeper for the second. Needs to take charge there.
He has a lot of tools but is missing one or two. He went on a delightful run down the right after the 80th minute and when he got into the Spurs half he passed it straight to one of their players and they broke. It summed up a lot of his performance for me. He's quick, strong, powerful running but allows himself to be punished by top level players for lapses too frequently.
Tbh he is actually a sh*t player. Zero understanding of positioning and easily tricked. I wouldnt dream of playing him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Which kinds of backs up my thought about playing him further up the pitch and allowing him more freedom to run at defences without having to worry so much about defensive duties, while still taking advantage of his experience in defence (flawed though it may be) to give extra protection on our right flank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Don't hold back Diggs... tell us how you really feel! Seriously, though, my point is that we could take advantage of his positive qualities (fast, strong running, decent crosser) and mitigate against his negative ones (his defensive positioning and tendency to be tricked that you mentioned) by playing him on the right side of midfield, with Coleman or Doherty behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
I wish I was as **** a player as he is. Could have made a career for myself.
He doesn't have the footwork to play further up, the technique, I don't think.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
Interviewed on Off the Ball AM on Newstalk this morning. I'm listening to it on podcast form here now and the description refers to experiences of racism and promotion with Fulham as the main points of conversation.
The racist incidents were while he was in Ireland meeting up with the Irish squad for training and after matches. He said his usual behavior was not to react or make any deal about it, that is until Derry rebel James McClean heard it after the Denmark game and brought it up for wide public attention. Cyrus was appreciative of the support from James.
When asked about the incident going into the training ground, he said there were some schoolkids with their teacher, one of the kids (14 year old) started throwing abuse at him and the teacher did nothing. That the teacher did nothing shocked Cyrus.
He brought evidence to the Gardai and made a formal complaint, one of the Guards receiving the complaint said he didn't believe that racism existed in Ireland.
Something else very ugly reared its head. Cyrus says that he gets abuse every game from Irish supporters telling him that he isn't Irish. He says that himself, Callum Robinson and Didsy get this abuse because they are black. He says that , Clark, Arter and other white lads born in England are not told that they are not Irish.
Honestly utterly despicable behaviour and it is distressing to hear that it is so frequently perpetrated and I wish that it had been highlighted earlier. The fact that the comments/abuse aren't isolated would aso worry me.
and yet these same morons will gladly tell you that they are part of the "best supporters in the world"Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
We kick racism out of football.
The problem with Cyrus is that he is not a good international player, was exposed in that 1-5, as Ward was! Martin didnt protect him, Cyrus, playing him in midfield, unsensible football. Young Doherty is the better player even Kevin Long was a better option.
I think Roy Keane told once to Vieira to play for Senegal if he loves his country which was spot on. Big nations stole players from small countries.
I think Sterling is jamaican. Should play for Jamaica. There is double standard in football.
The irish are forgetting they were expelled from places and jobs because of their irishness. The globalization is killing the nations.
I hope Viera told him to pee off and start playing for his own country if he professed to love it so much. France must have had some vision to steal Viera when he was a kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
Sterling can figure out for himself his own ethnicity and decide who he wants to play for.Quote:
I think Sterling is jamaican. Should play for Jamaica
There must be one person who remembers the great exodus, movement of the people.Quote:
The irish are forgetting they were expelled from places and jobs because of their irishness.
Irish people who were discriminated against both at home and abroad for centuries should remember their history and not to start racially abusing other people now. It just makes us look like the worst of the English supporters discriminating against our own players due to the colour of their skin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
However if a player goes to a different church than you then that's fair game.:rolleyes:
"You dont get to be racist and Irish"
This is clearly a huge issue in Irish football, and one that we haven't really faced up to at all. I think we spend too much time slagging off xenophobic English supporters, sectarian Northern Ireland supporters etc and we act as though we are superfans that don't have a nasty element within our base.
But it's there and it needs to be tackled - if we run anti racism campaigns at our matches and take the time to out the twitter trolls and the like we should hopefully be able to make some progress on this.
Stay on topic, i.e. Cyrus Christie. If you want to discuss globalisation, there's a politics forum for exactly that,
i genuinely wonder to what extent this is football fans targeting Cyrus and to what extent it's followers of G O'D etc. etc. who are targeting successful black Irish sportspeople. I know Gemma very openly targeted Patience Jumbo Gula and Rhasidat Adeleke on Twitter, posting their photos and saying they weren’t irish. The issue with the likes of Gemma, GT and similar mongers of hate (patriots!) is they generally know the how to say things that are xenophobic and racist and hugely hurtful without necessarily breaking the law. And when you’ve got 100 to 500 idiots, many of whom clearly have mental health issues, who are determined to push a racist agenda, it’s very difficult for the average person to combat that, except for denouncing every racist action and showing support to the victims of racist abuse...
not that racism doesn't exist or campaigns and education aren't critical to ensuring it doesn't grow - but with social media, where a player's inbox is only a click away, it's hard to imagine you'd ever be able to stop the 0.0001%
The thing with Christie is that he is like Chris Morris, a squad player.
All players get some stick when from fans when the national team is in dire straits.
I think it was Curtis Fleming who talked about it.
its not "stick"..... its abuse and a crime...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
Calling someone a black b****** is not 'stick'. Calling someone an idiot is stick. Idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
Cutris FLeming did not say that, what he spoke about was very different and he also mentioned being abused as a child (racially) by an adult. what kind of adult does that regardless of their upbringing. He did very well to not let it get to him but clearly never fully got over it, the parallels with what happened Cyrus, and he spoke so humbly about it, with the school teacher is awful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bielsa´s irish
Irish people got abuse the world over, we should not be dishing out that same abuse, especially in our own country.
Unfortunately there are negative and positives of positive discrimination. If any player does bad he gets abused, its always the lowest common denominator, sadly that becomes colour for anyone non-white or "non-conforming" to some people.
Lads not everyone is a WUM, some people are just ignorant.
I've only heard racism once, when Clinton Morrison was warming up on the sideline close to the terrace where the schoolboy section is and some toerag shouted "Where'd ya get yer sun tan??!"
Several people, including myself immediately whirled around to tell the kid to shut the f*** up. I figured that would be the norm. But I guess that was 16 years ago or something. Which actually is quite depressing.
If more incidents come to light, then an initiative by the core support would be great. I won't have it. There's far more of us than however amount of casual or not so casual racists.
Well check out what Alvaro "Palito" Pereira said on that issue back then against Patrice Evra in 2011. No bull**** nor hypocrisy. It follows what Curtis Fleming said and was spot on. I have got sympathy for Cyrus, but you just cant let those insults from the stands affect you when you are a professional footballer. Every player gets some bashing and insults. Remember Maradona? Remember 1994 U.S.A those fake tests?Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Anyway, Idiot is a big world for your keyboard. im not gonna insult you im a cath, i forgive you