If I could thank that more than once, I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by RahenyBohs
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If I could thank that more than once, I would.Quote:
Originally Posted by RahenyBohs
Ssssshhhhh PS. Don't let the secret out.
Went to Dalymount last night. The sight and sound of Irish men, women and children dressed in blue cheering for 'their' team was pathetic.
I'm sure many of those present had actual links to the city of Liverpool and one Shams fan I know went wearing an Everton shirt for his own 'reasons' but as for the rest?
Pathetic.
Standing there in the rain, an army of lost souls, loyal to a club that they cannot, because of geography, actually support, I wonder what they saw when Anto Flood buried Tim Howard to make it 1-1? Many of them probably blanked it out, pretended it didn't happen.
Then again, maybe some of them will start going to LoI matches?
Did it end 1-1?
yup 1-1
Surprised at the lack of comment on here last night.
Would there have been roughly an equal number of those wearing Everton rigs as wearing Bohs? Not surprising really considering how many went to the Ireland match with their Man Utd colours on.Quote:
Originally Posted by born2bwild
Didn't count but there was a lot of blue - we sat up where the noisier Boh - es lads usually sit in the Jodi and it was about 60-40 home crowd. Further down the Jodi, were it not for the Dublin accents, you could have been in Liverpool. (I hear Goodison Park is not in very good shape these days either) Ironically there was a good few Bohs fans over behind the school end goal - planting landmines no doubt for the next Shams visit.
a couple of scouse lads chucked out for racist chanting against our ball boy last night according to some posts on our message board. I have often confused a scouse accent with a tallaght accent... but then i remembered there is no direct bus from Tallaght to Dalymount so they must have been toffees... ;)
In all seriousness, a good result and, according to those who were there, we played really nice ball. Hopefully that will attract some of the lost souls to a game or two in the future. Yeah right.
It didnt sell out by the way.
I really wouldn't mind these people so much if they used the same criteria for supporting national sides and club sides.
Presumed reasons for supporting their national side (Ireland): it's a team which represents their home, their community, the place where they live.
Presumed reasons for supporting their club side (Everton, Man U., Liverpool etc.): an imagined, invented identification with currently or once successful teams who play in a glamorous (if widely over-hyped) League. Put simply - they support these clubs because they're BIG, largely successful clubs - and they can occasionally watch on television.
Two different criteria at work here. Logically the national team they support should be Brazil, Germany, etc. (or, most obviously, England). I really wish they would - they'd be a lot less hypocritical.
I think this is the right thread for this. Here's a cracking report by the Guardian in England about supporting your own club and how growing a fan owned club is more rewarding than a business type profiteering club.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ester-fc-video
Why are RTE doing transfer window live updates? It's just embarrassing because 99% of it is just copied from somewhere else. Sky and BBC have reporters and contacts all over England, the best RTE can manage is the Enda Stevens deal (days late) and a few of Man Utd and Liverpool "fans" slagging each other.
Sorry, that should read "(days late and from the wrong club)"
I just saw that as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagicMon
They only gave it a "rumour rating" of 2.5/10 too. :confused:
It's so wrong, it's right. The chances of UCD player Enda Stevens signing for Villa are pretty minimal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Maroon
RTE guy put in his place fairly sharpish, at least he had the guts to publish this:
@Albertwhite (via twitter): "Enda Stevens plays for @ShamrockRovers not UCD. Stop showing your ignorance #rtetransferday".
Some lad in the canteen complained that all the Rovers fans are coming out of the woodwork. This from a Spurs fan.
I've just discovered a whole new form of barstool facepalm. I give you the "bos aghaidhe stól tábhairne". For reasons I won't go into, I happened upon a copy of Foinse (Irish language paper free with the Indo) on Wednesday. They had a page on football - two articles on the Ireland matches and a column on everybody's favourite Irish club..........Celtic.
Basically, it was this guy Cian ó Raghallaigh bemoaning Celtic's losses to St Johnstone and Sion. He actually goes as far as to call the Sion defeat "a sporting disaster". The seriousness of the situation is emphasised by saying Michel Platini is very disappointed with the performance of Scottish clubs. In the middle of this guff about Motherwell's ability to challenge the Old Firm and Sion using unregistered players, the biggest story in Irish sport gets a mention - "When Shamrock Rovers qualified for the group stages during the week, they got about €1 million. So Celtic had a bad night when the Swiss beat them 3-1". That's it. One of the greatest achievements in Irish football history is given a brief airing only as a touchstone for how expensive some British team's failure would have been (had the Swiss not been found cheating).
It seems the cultural nationalists are willing to embrace "foreign games" so long as they're played by foreign teams preferably with some vague Irish connection (though not actually Irish as that could upset the GAA). This paper is mainly aimed at Leaving Cert pupils so it just goes to show how all-pervasive the indoctrination into barstooling is in this country.
And just as I was about to fling it in the recycling, I saw the footnote "Cian's column about the English Premiership will be back next week". Phew!! They only deviated from the regular schedule to discuss this most newsworthy event about a Swiss team beating a Scottish team. Normal service will be resumed as soon as possible.
If that's Ciaran O'Raghallaigh then he writes for the Mirror. Took no interest in Irish soccer until last week.
And unfortunately for Foinse, Celtic are back in so not such a sporting disaster after all! Just a cultural one.
Jersey day in school the other day out of around 700 students I was the only one with a LOI jersey on while I only saw a few Ireland jerseys the rest where United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Madrid and everyones new favorite Barcelona.
What no Rovers bar stoolers?Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
Irish spend €145m on visits to Premier League making a 164,000 visits. But in 2008 there was 267,000 Irish fans who attended a match in the UK. Thats 102,000 less visits, doubt many went these to LOI matches instead.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...303401548.html
An average spend of a grand a game?!?! Are these lads morons or what?
I work with a bloke who goes to Arsenal matches once or twice a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
He's a decent enough chap but he spends serious bucks on these trips and spends a week either side of them in work singing that mongrolitic, spasticated 'And it's AW sen u-ul, Awsenu-ul fc, aw by faw the best team the world has evah seen' chant in a Cockney accent. (He's from West Dublin).
It's the stupid accent that puzzles me the most.
On what though? I know they're expensive enough - you'd see stupid prices in the papers from the travel agencies - but nothing like a grand on average. (Obviously the agents' prices wouldn't include spending money). They'd probably be the first to say the LoI is too expensive at E15 a ticket too.Quote:
Originally Posted by born2bwild
I might spend a grand on an Ireland away game if I pushed it - but you're talking about flying much further away than England and staying for maybe five days.
Transport to/from airport; flight; to/from Stadium etc ...250 euQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
1 night's accomodation ...100eu
Match ticket???... 50 eu
Beer/food/hookers 200 eu?
600 euros, I'm guessing.
Even on a day trip it'd be 400 or so.
Why would any sane man or woman do such a thing???
But you get that at League of Ireland games, chants are lifted from England not just word for word but syllable by syllable.Quote:
Originally Posted by born2bwild
Yeah my brother said he heard Bohs fans chanting in English accents. Never heard it myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
And this, it seems, is only about 70% of what the average trip comprises. Add in a second night's accommodation and you're still not even there.Quote:
Originally Posted by born2bwild
I've been to a couple of Premiership games (two, to be precise) and spent about £200 (at the time) tops. So have you people at the other end spending E1,500 a trip? Or maybe the article is wrong.
Not football-specific, but nice little line in Charlie Brooker's column today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...sion-for-sportQuote:
Maybe I could plug the gap by forcing myself to get into a sport of some kind. Oh, and obviously it'll have to be something that's televised. I'm not physically moving further than my sofa.
JP McMannus, John Magnier and the Drumaville lads pushed the average spend up a bit I supposeQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I love the attitude of 'Well China do it so it's ok'Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
This guy was my favourite (admittedly I didn't get much further than this so there could be better ones)
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Yep, I'm a Chelsea fan through and through. Influence of a cousin got me into them, and I've just loved em since I was 6. Don't know why, particularly, but probably the high exposure of the English Premier League over here, wanting to belong to what was once a small and select group of football fans.
I love my little trips over to London (and beyond sometimes!) to see Chelsea playing. Either on my own, or with friends, you can always be guaranteed to have a bit of craic going over to the games. I love the whole atmosphere over there, and it's even better at away games. When you're in the minority, when it's us against them, hedged into a small area into the worst stand in the opponent's stadium... the roar of the crowd, the urging on of the players, the passion, the highs, the lows, the glory, the pain... it's all there. and it's just absolutely enthralling and addictive.
Lasted to the end if the second page.
The justification of playing good football keeps coming up.
My argument against that is one word, Bundesliga. That's good football from a competitive entertaining league with great players.
When I've queried why they don't support the Bundesliga in that case they clam up!
I've given up on the Barstooler. It's like arguing with a small deaf child.
Fabulous post. Says it all, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluemovie
Never heard LOI fans singing in English accents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
What English regional accent is most commonly used out of interest?
East end London I find.
'Oo arh yah? 'Oo arh yah? 'Oo arh yah?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rasputin
The way some of them are talking a League of Ireland club would probably actually have to win a European trophy before they'd consider paying the league some attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by bullit
Yeah, Anglo Irish Bank clients.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The new age barstooler. Why go to LOI games when you can just watch them online. Also does he not realise we play summer football now.Quote:
Originally Posted by jive
God I hate this argument. Every other week some gob shíte on here thinks he's copped something genius and that all these lads supporting English teams are hypocrites. Let my rant begin
To kick things off, not all people who support English teams 'hate' England. The quality of football is much better in the premiership and thus makes it more entertaining to watch for the majority of people. I think everyone supports their local team to some extent but to be honest I don't want to pay to stand in the ****ing rain in crap stadiums in the middle of an Irish winter.
The premiership is televised every weekend and matches that aren't televised can be found online. Not only that but Match of the Day is on every Saturday and Sunday night not to mention that Sky Sports News covers the premiership every day of the week. Do you get that level of coverage for any Irish teams? No and for a large number of reasons you never will. Premiership teams also get to play against other European teams in various cup competitions. The fact that you can get all these matches online means you don't even have to have a TV to follow English teams (or you can go down to the pub if you support one of the bigger teams). It actually works out cheaper to follow an English team than an Irish one.
TL;DR
English teams get more coverage, better coverage, more matches, play against other European teams, can be watched online, better standard of football and it's cheaper.
The problem with alot of these barstoolers is that they forgot or never knew what it actually means to support a team. They are scared of the rain and to stingy to put their hands in there pockets and pay into a match. For them supporting their team can take place in a bar, in front of their plaza TV or via online streams. Okay fair enough the facilities in the league are for the most part not great, but I'd much prefer standing in Oriel or any other LOI ground than sitting on my ass watching football through a screen.