Would rather see a player with a long-term future at CB - O'Dea or possibly Wilson - than an out of position Kelly at CB.
Would rather see a player with a long-term future at CB - O'Dea or possibly Wilson - than an out of position Kelly at CB.
Ledger and Green out of the squad according to FourFourTwo: http://twitter.com/#!/FourFourTwo/st...27123367641088Quote:
NEW NEWS: Sean St Ledger and Paul Green out of Republic of Ireland squad to face Norway through injury
Bad day to be an Ireland player. If I was in the squad I'd be avoiding black cats/walking under ladders.
At least there will be no game time for Kilbane, McShane and Green. :smirk:
I wonder will another centre half be called up as back up? Any worthy U21 candidates? I suppose Wilson is considered an alternative.
I'd like O'Dea and O'Shea to play in the centre, with Kelly at right back and Cunningham at left back.
If St Ledger is out, it would be strange not to use the squad CH (O'Dea) as a replacement.
I'd say Trap might well start with Kelly at RB and have Coleman come on at 1/2 time
Start Coleman at RM and let him entertain the crowd with his enthusiasm and skill.
RTE are now reporting St Ledger & Green withdrawal
Sledge is a miss, but im not bothered about Green. Kinda handy the way these injuries are forcing Trap to blood new players properly.
if i saw that line-up i would be surprised in a very good way. That would make me evaluate Trap's modus operandi all over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
So what is the remaining squad?
Given; Joe Murphy;
Stephen Kelly; Kevin Foley: John O'Shea; Darren O'Dea; Greg Cunningham; Seamus Coleman
Aiden McGeady; Glenn Whelan; Marc Wilson; Keith Fahey; Liam Lawrence; Damien Duff; Stephen Hunt;
Kevin Doyle; Shane Long; Jon Walters;
Of that, I'd like to see (and just to clarify for P OShea, that is my preferred line up [given whats available] not what I'd expect the Mister to put out ;-)):
--------------------Given-----------------
Foley-------Josh (c)----Wilson-----Cunningham
Coleman----Whelan-----Fahey-----McGeady
-------------Doyle----Walters-------------
This is another possibility given the resources available:
--------------------Given-----------------
Foley-------Josh (c)----O'Dea-----Cunningham
-----Lawrence----Whelan-----Wilson---------
------------------McGeady------------------
---------------Doyle----Walters-------------
I'd just like to see something a bit different. And for the ball to be kept on the ground and in play for a bit of time.
In my mind, he must play Foley right back. He's been very good at Wolves this season, and crucially he can both defend and attack. He must make some sort of a decision on left back, either give Cunningham or Kelly the full game. Be decisive about it, because sooner or later the decision is going to be made for him in a sense. Give Walters the opportunity to play the battering ram role that we seem to always have. Don't make substitutions in dribs and drabs.
He needs to start being positive with the squad. This is the first in a series of games where he can legitimately experiment. Norway, Uruguay, Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland and probably two American friendlies. That is enough time to decide on some current filler in the squad, and more than enough time to call time on a few careers.
All that imagining aside, I think Trap will go for this:
--------------------Given-----------------
Coleman-------Josh (c)----Wilson-----Cunningham
McGeady----Whelan-----Fahey-----Duff-------
-------------Doyle------Long-----------------
why would you be avoiding Sunderland AFC?Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Based on how Trapattoni has picked his side in the past, I think he'll probably line-up as follows:
Given;
Kelly, JOSH, O'Dea, Cunningham;
McGeady, Whelan, Wilson, Duff;
Long, Walters.
I read this morning that Doyle might be carrying an injury so that would open up the way for Walters to start. Not to sure if Trapattoni sees Wilson as a defender or midfielder, but given his reluctance to try players in different positions (which effectively rules Fahey out in the centre) I feel Wilson is the only option left in the squad to partner Whelan. With two debutants in the team, added to a number of relatively inexperienced players at international level, I think Trapattoni will fill the rest of his team with as much experience as possible.
Keane was on to Trap, he reckons O'Dea, who is just returning to fitness, needs game time. If O'Dea is not going to feature tomorrow night, Keane wants him back in Ipswich for a friendly. So the fact that O'Dea is still with the squad, suggests that he will start tomorrow night.
I'd be quite excited by something like this but the papers this morning have barely mentioned Foley.
---------Given--------
Foley-JOS-DOD-Cunningham
Coleman-Wilson-Whelan-Duff
----Long--Doyle-----
Plenty of players to take a look at including Treacy and Walters, maybe Fahey in CM rather than wide. I'd be inclined to leave Lawrence & McGeady out of contention, we know what they're all about. I think there's a logic to not trying out too many new faces at once, but I think there's enough seniority in the XI above to introduce the newbies andthose with fewer caps. It looks like the FBs might get a bit exposed, but what harm? There are a lot of good ball players in the XI above. Let them play football.
I'd be happy with this lineup
Coleman to come on for McGeady, or for Duff with McGeady swapping wingsCode:Given
Foley O'Shea Wilson Cunningham
McGeady Whelan Fahey Duff
Walters Doyle
I've said before I don't think Fahey can play in central midfield in Trapattoni's team so let's see what he can do there
Long/Walters is a judgement call at this stage TBH
Very attacking left side too
PS Doyle would have buried Coleman's cross at the weekend, how Cahill missed it is beyond me
Because a good footballers can miss a sitter, even Doyle can miss a sitter.
-------------Given----------------
Coleman-O'Shea-O'Dea-Cunningham
McGeady---Wilson---Fahey---Duff
----------Doyle-Long------------
This would be my starting team.
Half time changes would be: - Foley for McGeady, with Coleman moving to RW and Foley to RB
- Hunt for Duff
Late changes (80mins plus): - Whelan for Wilson
- Lawrence for Coleman (to a standing ovation. . . . .)
I would make no other changes. Kelly and Walters simply are not good enough at this level so it is a complete waste of time giving them game time. Stokes would have started in my team.
Bit harsh on Kelly there. I do think he should be the unlucky one to sit on the bench while Foley and Coleman play RB, but he has a very good chance of being a very good full back for us.
Agree with many of you, give Coleman the start and see what happens.
Maybe McGeady scores here to get off the snide. I could see that happening.
Pity that Jamie McCarthy is injured, may well have got the nod due to so many drop outs.
Ken Early on twitter:
given (c), kelly, o'shea, o'dea, cunningham, lawrence, fahey, whelan, duff, long, doyle
http://twitter.com/#!/kenearlys
I assume Lawrence's inclusion is to accommodate Fahey in the centre and give him a little more protection. Perhaps second half it'll be Fahey on the left, Coleman on the right and Wilson in the middle. A little bit disappointing but at least we're seeing some new faces. Would have liked Walters to start instead of Doyle too, but I guess he needs to try the new combination in the event of Keane missing more games.
I expected him to go for Kelly and O'Dea starting.
Wilson and Coleman should get a decent stint with Walters coming on also.
Little surprised there's no debutants in the starting lineup, but overall I'm happy with that.
Made it pretty clear he'll change it around in the second half. Would actually prefer to see Coleman off the bench around the 50 min mark
Can't understand the Kelly start, Trap really doesn't have faith in Foley.
Re Kelly, it's a question of experience with the set up, rather than actual ability.
While I would have liked to see Foley start, Kelly has done well in the past, bar one mistake. He has also found himself back in favour at Fulham and has been playing well for them. However I would like to see Foley, Coleman, Wilson and Walters all getting 30 minutes at the very least.
Kelly and Foley are both playing regularly at the same level in the same position. There's not an awful lot to tell between them but I think Kelly is the better defender.
More from Early:
"trap believes fahey has long-term potential at CM. says he has a good personality. also wants to look at wilson in that position"
Good to hear. My impression from the past year or so is that he didn't trust Fahey in the centre, so it's nice to see he's had a change of heart.
How Kelly can start ahead of Coleman or Foley is beyond me? Lawrence is a poor call as well, ahead of Coleman, McGeady and Hunt. Also, Whelan has been awful in recent games and isn't up to it. Would have loved to have seen Wilson start. Come off the stage Trapper u bluffer!
The only reason Kelly is starting at the moment is because of the rift between Mark Hughes and Paintsil. He simply isn't a premiership footballer. There is no doubt that he will be upgraded in January. Granted he can defend reasonably well, this pales into insignificance when he cannot pass or cross the ball.
http://cc.fulhamfc.com/forum/topics/...age=2#comments
Couple of positive notes are Cunningham starting and Fahey in at midfield. At last Trap has started a centre mid who can actually pass the ball. . . . . . . . . .
Can't remember a game without KK starting, he must be seriously injured.
So Kelly's starting because the manager prefers him to the other players? Give that man a free transfer.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Kelly is a first-team player for a Fulham side who've conceded 13 goals this season. Foley's team have conceded 23, the joint third-worst defensive record in the division. Is it that hard to believe that Trap's gone with the more solid defender?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
If Trap had taken time out of his busy schedule of sipping on his apple martinis poolside at his villa to visit Craven Cottage he would have discovered (like every other fulham supporter) that Kelly isn't a Premiership footballer, simple as that. Foley has been having a great season as testified by Manc Irish Wolf on the Kevin Foley thread.
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It is a no brainer, Foley should be in at right back.
So by your logic:
- Man Utd have conceded 15 goals this season, Aaron Hughes is a better player than Rio Ferdinand.
- Liverpool have conceded 17 goals season, that makes Kelly better than Glen Johnson as well, etc, etc, could go on but I've better things to do with my time.
Don't think looking at a team's overall statistics is a strong an indicator as you think it is when it comes to picking the best individuals for international football
Maybe he should just call you up and get his opinions straight from the source.
Seriously, "Kelly isn't a Premiership footballer"? Half a dozen managers would disagree.
I wasn't claiming defensive records are the sole indicator of ability, and you're right to point out evidence to the contrary, but it's fairly clear to me that Foley's main attributes are going forward while Kelly is a very solid defender.
Can't believe Coleman isn't starting. Joke.
I probably am being a bit harsh on Kelly. He is a viable option if O'Shea, Foley and perhaps Coleman (still not convinced by his defensive capabilities) aren't available. But I would have definitely started Foley ahead of Kelly for this friendly. I really do hope Trap would pick the phone up and give me a shout, not sure if the conversation would end amicably though. . . . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Would've liked to see Coleman get a start, but have no doubt he'll have serious impact off the bench and hope he gets a good run. I'd expect at least half hour / 40 mins for him, Wilson and Walters. Team's OK, could've been a bit more exciting but I'm very interested to see Fahey at CM, not to mention O'Dea, Cunningham and Long getting to develop their claims.
EDIT - And there isn't much to choose between Foley and Kelly imo. Kelly shades it thanks to experience but hope Foley gets a decent run too.
I'd have started Foley too for this game but I still think Kelly is the better player. It's a sensible enough decision - O'Shea isn't getting much football, Dunne has been struggling with injuries for a long time and Sledge isn't quite right, so he may well need a new face to step up for the next competitive game. I don't think Coleman is going to be that player for at least a couple of years (or he could turn out to be a sensational winger who's wasted at full back) and it won't hurt to have Kelly for a bit of continuity.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
Extremely disappointed with that line up.
If Keane, Dunne, Kilbane and Green were fit we'd have seen them in the starting 11 as well.
I don't see why people get disappointed. Blooding new players is always about balance, about experienced faces beside them to help them out but also about getting a result. There'd be nothing worse than a bunch newbies taking a thrashing on their debut.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Coleman's the main one to lose out, but that's a side with four players developing on the international stage, O'Shea back at CB and Kelly staking a claim at RB. All healthy competition, all intriguing for any fan.