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I don't really see the problem - the best team won the league. The club did all the right things: dissolved the previous institution, purged the board and applied to join a league that it was fully entitled to compete in.Quote:
Originally Posted by carrickharp
What exactly is it that you want, for everybody involved with the club to commit ritual suicide along the road to Ballybofey?
The problem is that Harps fans creamed themselves at the notion of Derrys honours list being expunged - thereby helping get rid of the pain of being "Forever in our shadow". But here we are, after one season in the 1st we've achieved what Harps have in the last what? I don't even remember what year it is Harps won the 1st Division title . Bet you carrickharp didn't feel like this when the final whistle blew at the Brandy the other night....bet you he was basking in the notion of throwing a spanner in the works. Now that Mervue have undone Harps "good work" ? Well it's just a case of throwing the dummy from the pram.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
IN response to the poster who asked about odds on 3 Galway clubs winning, I know United were 8/1 to beat Bohs and Salthill were 14/1 to beat Cork. Don't know what odds Mervue were, but would imagine it was in the same region - would have been some treble!! You NEARLY have to feel sorry for Devon, winning on the pitch for only the second time this season - and then Mervue go and pull off the shock of the First Division season to send them to the play off.
Mervue were 10/1.
What a crazy weekend. This really is a league (both divisions) that nobody wants to win. Still, just like I confidently said about Bohs last week, Rovers will hardly throw it away now.
As long as Monaghan get a point, I think they're assured of a playoff spot. If Shels and Waterford draw, they need to lose by less than 4. Should be a cracker between Shels and Waterford in Tolka. Shels are probably the form team in the country (or Bray?) but Waterford only need a point.
Great stuff.
It's like waking up with a dreadful hangover wishing last night never happened!
If Shels beat Waterford we need a point v Derry I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
You're right of course, don't know how I missed that. Post edited.Quote:
Originally Posted by monutdfc
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Originally Posted by monutdfc
I just woke up with said hangover, after one hell of a party in the Social Club last night! Roll on next week.
Bray hasn't won in 5 games! I'd say we're probably the form team in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Thats almost of reminiscent of Michael Turner's backpass in the Liverpool/Sunderland match last month. Turner, obvious to everyone in the ground, flicked the ball back so the free kick would be taken from the correct spot and Grimes was doing the same passing to 10 yards or so forward to where the initial foul took place. Grimes ****ed up by placing the ball with his hand which can be interpreted as taking the kick but like in the Liverpool match common sense was lacking from the ref because what defender gently passes a ball a staight to an attacker in that position, the cop on alarm bells should have been ringing for the ref when Gaffney himself turned back to ask what the hell was going on. I feel sorry Grimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by eekers
I think its a pretty close call between ourselves and Sligo alright. We've won 9 of our last 11 league matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
Fair enough, I was thinking more of the teams involved in playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
The club cheated last season, shut down/re-open by buying name back screwing creditors in process (all with facilitated by FAI), parachuted into 1st Division when they should have started in the A League, their new debt free status means they had the highest budget in the division and inevitably won the league. Simply put, their 'punishment' was one season in the First Division with having their debts cleared. Any First division team like Harps, Waterford, Shels or whoever who are restrained by trying to pay off their debts should feel cheated, it wasn't a level playing ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yeah I would agree with that. Gaffney is standing directly in the spot where the free kick should have been taken. If the ref were to go by the rules of the game the goal shouldn't have stood because if the ref is interpreting the free to have been taken, then its been taken from the wrong position. Common sense as well would tell you that Grimes wanted the free kick taken from the spot Gaffney was in.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
Harsh on Grimes.
True, but common sense also tells you to never do what Grimes did just in case the ref interprets it like last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalwayRed
So you feel sorry for Wellvan's major creditors and think they should be repaid?Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
I'd suggest you and the bitter Harps clown have a look at the winding up papers.
I don't think there's a bitterness to James post. An anger yes. Anger toward a club that cheated. The same anger and disgust shown any club who cheat. Its so easy to point the finger at Wellvan. Well Derry City claim some great history on the administration of Wellvan. The night against Gretna (anybody remember them) and that night in Paris. Had Derry City gone on to win a league title or league and cup double you would have claimed and revelled in that history despite cheating your way to it. Your history against Harps is nothing to boast of. You were cheating the league, cheating football and its nothing to be proud of. I've been angry toward Harps on how they have run the club but if ever I knew the club cheated I'd walk away. I'd lose faith in my club forever. Well done Derry on your first honour as a club. We both have a first division title in our honours list. We have a FAI Cup Final win too. You have some catching up to do.
While it was a shame to see Derry end up in a mess, and somehow unsettling to see them bounce right back up, it just goes to show how awful football is organised in Ireland and how desperate the FAI were to keep a team in Derry somehow. I don't blame anyone in Derry, and I am 100% sure that if they'd been told - it's A Championship for you lot - last season, they'd gladly have joined the league, won it and next year win the 1st Division, not because of big money, but because they are the closest thing to a club most of us will encounter. I understand how other clubs who suffered might **** a strange eye at them, however would any of us have the moral courage to stop our club getting a place in the league when the abyss was before us?
It's a new club and a new company. Why would they pay somebody else's debts? I know we are particularly eager to pay other people's debts in this country but they're a little smarter in the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
A new club with Founded in 1928 on their crest and listing previous Derry City's honours as their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
I think Bohs threw everyone's at TwiggQuote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
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and i'm surprised you lot still had any left after chucking so many at Pats fans the other night...Quote:
Originally Posted by dfx-
So refer them to the consumer ombudsman for false advertising. I'm sure he'll take it every bit as seriously as you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy
They were still the best team in the First Division.
Common sense also tells you this in the LOI, which means LOI refs, which means their grasp of the rules, as Osarusan says, is tenuous at bestQuote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
Taking league games only: of the teams in, or likely to be in, the play-off, Bray have actually the joint worst run of recent results (last 5 games).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nah Nah Nah Nah
United and Bray have both only taken 3 points from their last 5 games. Of the First Division sides, Waterford and Shels have both taken 12 points from a possible 15, with Mons having taken 7 from a possible 15.
Only Sporting and Sligo (13 from possible 15) have better recent form.
Of the 22 league teams, Sligo are on the longest unbeaten run (7 games) and are, as you say, the form team
Where’s me anorak
Not sure whether that's an ad for Cillit Bang or a Tony Blair soundbite: "Harsh on Grimes. Harsh on the passes of Grimes".Quote:
Originally Posted by GalwayRed
Derry have paid their penalty for what they did. Others still haven't.Quote:
Originally Posted by total hoofball
If they "inevitably" were going to win the other division, they'd have done it weeks ago.
We don't - we threw ours away last season at the linesman - do you not remember, some Sligo fan made a funny picture out of it and all.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Explains why Pats had to throw first for us 2,000 on the pitch to play ball.
You're not ready for that anorak yet WB. You should have said Sligo and Derry City are both on the longest unbeaten run (7 games) and are, as you say, the form teams :DQuote:
Originally Posted by WoodquayBoy
We may be unbeaten in 7 but both Shels and Waterford are above us in the "form table" as they amassed more points in the same period...thanks to the fact we've drawn 4 of those seven. Just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
Were derry not entitled to apply for first Division status ? If they were then I dont see the problem and if they were not then should the issue not haver been raised BEFORE the season ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
perhaps if they changed their gear to sackcloth and ashes it would appease some on here :rolleyes:
Candystripes you say? How dare they spend their money on sweets when they should be paying back creditors. For shame.
Actually the deadline had already passed, so technically, no. And people at the time wondered whether the same opportunity had been extended to current A league clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Fair enough, Mr A but why didn't clubs kick up at that time ? I cannot remember one single club objecting to FAI allowing Derry into the first Division. Bit late now for some to be moaning and does sound like sour grapes that they look likely to win the first Division.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
BTW not a Derry City fan, just an outside observer.
My badQuote:
Originally Posted by Candystripe
Most clubs wont kick up a fuss because they know that if they do that somewhere in the near future they may need a dig out in some shape or form and wont get it if they rock the boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Just on the issue on Derry City paying back their creditors, I'm surprised so many on here seem to think the fans now in charge of the club should be forced to pay back the former directors who ran the club into the ground (as the connected creditors form a significant part of the debt). To me that seems completely wrongheaded. But clearly, I don't know what I'm talking about...
Although that said, I'm heartened that as an equity shareholder, the foot.ie brains trust thinks I should be bailed out too, after all, I'm a creditor, albeit on the lowest rung of the ladder ( Presumably I'll be bailing myself out, through purchasing new shares in the New company in order to pay myself as a Wellvan shareholder........).
Or do the budding insolvency practicioners actually not have the foggiest idea about what they're talking about?
Moral indignation only gets you so far but at some stage you have to comply with the law.
If people would take a minute to think about it they'd see how bizarre a position it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
The creditors were always going to get burned. At least this way, the new holding company has been allowed to continue trading, and I'd wager with a lot of the same suppliers who were screwed by the former company's collapse. Not to mention the commerce that matchdays bring to the surrounding area every two weeks.
Sligo have been great this season. They are only 6 points off the top. Had they had had a better start, they could've been challenging for the title. I hope they can keep their current squad together and build for next season.