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Even a large club wouldn't be too worried with a 3-3 draw away from home in the first leg. You have three away goals and no deficit to overcome in the 2nd leg. It leaves Dundalk not having to lose at home to a team who couldn't beat them at home to progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
Look I don't care about petty point scoring between clubs in the league. We would have lost the game if we were over there I've no doubt. I don't have any issues with Dundalk, its an issue with the league in general. I was desperate for ye to win tonight like I am for every LOI team that plays in Europe but the fact is the league can't move forward and be taken seriously until we consistently start to beat these kind of teams. Fair enough it was a trip into the unknown but Dundalk were 2-0 up, their extra fitness and quality should have come through in the closing quarter (which was the argument made for summer soccer) and instead they caved in. Look at the result for Luxembourg other represenative (albeit against a good Danish side) if you think this is a good result.
I'm seeing another Shelbourne v Hibernians Malta in the 2nd leg tbh.
No worse than any other LOI club has had at one stage or anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
+ 0.125 to the co-efficient. Possibility of +.125 or .250 next week . . . they obviously let their foot off the gas but they'll be that less likely to do it next week - when it matters.
No one said anything of the sort, but why all the drama?Quote:
Originally Posted by abcd
He never said it was worse than any other team has had, he just said its a bad result which im sure you can see that it isQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
He also then said that he could see them losing the 2nd leg, despite not having seen a single second of the Luxemburgers...
Others called it an embaressment and a disgrace.
All reactionary OTT bull****
We lost to a team that was trying to lose.
You can't get worse than that.
No he didnt...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Guys, a little perspective needed. Look at results right now and it's all a bit surprising. A sub-strength Sliema went to Sibenik and got a 0-0 draw. Sibenik are consistently good and have had some smashing results in pre-season. Dundalk could have held on but they're in great shape for the return leg. I'm seeing more Shels-Hajduk from 2004.
Stu I know that Dundalk will beat them at Oriel...and probably will comfortably. But that doesn't detract from the fact that they threw away 2 goal league against a bunch of part timers in Luxembourg of all places. Therefore its still a bad result in my book.
No drama, no frills just saying its a bad result.
oops PartySaint got a little ahead of myself there.
They had an off day. Second leg will be straight forward for Dundalk. Big crowd, a pitch the opposition wont be confident with and 3 away goals. Nice position to be in.
But it's not a bad result, it's disappointing given they were 2-0 up, and decent given they were 3-2 down with 15 mins left.Quote:
Originally Posted by dancinpants
It's their first time in Europe in how many years?
People also seem overly optimistic about rovers chances, given it's also their first time in Europe, in a while, and the logistics involved in wherever they're going.
Especially as the other Luxembourg representatives lost 6-1Quote:
Originally Posted by Spudulika
Oh yeah, and bohs would humps Randers :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
Perhaps it is over-reactionary and from a Dundalk point of view they're still in the driving seat to progress but the longer the game at Oriel stays at 0-0 the more nervous it'll get for Dundalk. They could have saved themselves a lot of hassle and perhaps have rested some key players in the latter stages of the game next week by winning tonight and lets face it Dundalk need to take advantage of any chance to use their squad as it doesn't have the same strength in depth of others. I didn't see one second tonight but the fact the Luxembourg side scored three goals in under 15 minutes suggests they could cause Dundalk problems.
orande b@stards... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
agree with all this. I think its a decent result all things considered. Plus Dundalk themselves are going through a rough patch formwise and are missing their first choice keeper and Melligan. Gregg was at fault for the third goal. Based on the result today its likely they'll comfortably win through the home leg.Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
People are overreacting in stating its bad or embarrassing for Irish football. Given everything else there is to be embarrassed about, this doesnt even register.
I look forward to seeing how Derry City are going to get on in their European Campaign this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
CONDESCENDING ROLLY-EYES THING
Randers finished 2 points outside of the relegation zone in the SAS Ligaen this season - only getting into Europe thanks to the Fair Play Draw
From having regularly watched the Danish League on TV this season (thanks to Viasat) - I can confidently say they weren't really that much cop
sad to see some negatie comments
Any result for any LOI team away from is great be it against a team from Lux , Andorra , England Scot or where-ever.
M'on the lillywhites.
the object of playing europe is to get to the next round ,
we have 3 away goals , a home tie next week....I think we are in pretty decent shape(barring a disaster),
Roll on next week
Burns was out aswell, the defence just don't seem to play well when he's not there and Melligan is 99% leaving the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Conceding 3 against a Luxembourg team isn't great but as long as Dundalk get through, it's job done and they should manage that without much difficulty.
With the confidence of some on here that Dundalk would have walked tonights game then it could be seen as a slip by Dundalk. The truth is that they were playing a team they knew little about and still came away with 3 away goals. Its still game on for both sides but it will be easier on Dundalk to get a result at home and i see them going through easy enough next week. ( It is next week ye? ).
Yep next thursday @ 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lep
Tickets still available so dont all rush at once!!
Is it a good thing that people are disappointed with an LOI side getting a draw away from Home ?
Teams from Ireland have always struggled away from home, despite 2/3 very good performances over the years. It seems some people set the standard of LOI teams when they perform beyond their means on one-off occassions and I think it is unfair to expect very game to be perfect.
Thats mainly why I'm so dissapointed with tonights result. We've seen over the years how difficult it is to get results away from home and tonight Dundalk had an away win and progression to the next round in their grasp and they let it slip. Ok they are still in control of the tie but its a very tentative advantage.
Its easy to see,we were trieing to bump the gate up for next week.Hammering the Huns 8-nil would never have worked,its all a cunning plan you see!!!
The result is symptomatic of our poor current form. Disappointing but far from a disaster. The only consideration has to be getting through the round, if we don't it will be extremely disappointing. A pity not to pick up an extra fraction of a coefficient point too.
It's only the fifth time Dundalk have avoided defeat in the away leg in 21 games in Europe.
In fairness, as much as this game isn't a sad day for the league or an embarrassment as some have made out, it's hardly comparable to a draw away to an English side either. You can't equate a draw away to a side from the worst league in Europe to one from the best side in Europe (according to the UEFA rankings).Quote:
Originally Posted by baddebt
It is a bad result, but that's all it is. Dundalk are still favourites to go through. Move on from there.
Given the usual comments from a few posters on here I'd say our 'european campaign' is going pretty well this year, 2 defeats away from home, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Réiteoir
You seemed to be replying to calls for perspective by saying, oh the other Luxembourg team got beaten 6-1. My point was the team that beat them would still be expected to beat bohs, should they meet. So yours is hardly a fair comparison, if one exists.
Dundalk should reasonably be expected to win a tie against opposition from Luxembourg.
Randers, no matter where they finished in their league, should expect to win both legs.
I don't think there're many countries LOI teams should have high expectations of winning both legs. They may well fancy their chances
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Originally Posted by Flume
Rubbish, got 3 away goals in first game in Europe comps for years. Dundalk should do the business in the home leg. No problem:)
(1) an early goal by Dundalk will almost certainly finish the tie. With three away goals the risk of an away goals loss is very unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by abcd
(2) bad for Dundalk to lose a two goal lead but good to come from behind so late in the game.
Overall Dundalk still in pole position to progress AFTER the away leg - a good result for any LOI team.
I don't think it's a bad result. A few posters on here were saying before the game that a score draw would do nicely, and that's what Dundalk got.
Certainlt, it's disappointing not to get the away win from a position of 2-0 up, but the second leg will see Dundalk only needing a draw against a team they seem to have been better than for much of the game.
Overall, nothing to be ahamed about.
What are you basing that on? Because the commentary I was listening to(the Dundalk one), Dundalk were under pressure for a lot of the game and Grevenmacher created a lot more chances than Dundalk. Sounds like they were lucky to get the draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
I still think they'll go through though, winning handy enough at home.
I could be wrong, but I think a team from Luxembourg (Kaerjeng) beat Lillestrom over two legs recently. A 3-3 draw in Luxembourg is not a bad result at all for Dundalk, if you take that into consideration.
Basically it means that if Dundalk get an early goal at home the game's all but over.
They did, yeah, in 2008. Differdang won a first-leg game against Rijeka last year too. Between those two, there were eight consecutive double-leg defeats. Luxembourg sides in Europe here.
I was only basing it on the fact that they went 2-0 up to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by sligoman
10 years ago we were hoping that one of our euro representatives could possibly do well in their tie & in a good year get through one round.
Now, we have 3 teams starting in the second rounds of their competitions (one seeded) & the 4th are seeded in the 1st round. We expect teams to progress & are complaining when Dundalk get a good score draw result away from home.
We have progressed :ball:
Or, to put it another way, the league has progressed, but our national moaning attitude hasn't.