I seem to recall us being on the same side in this debate with the eL circus in quite a few threads now, never gets old does it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruce
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I seem to recall us being on the same side in this debate with the eL circus in quite a few threads now, never gets old does it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Steve Bruce
But the point is that Doyle didn't get called up until he moved to Reading, seemingly making him a top-class striker overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Personally, I don't think Zayed is in the same class as Doyle, and I think it's unlikely that he would do the trick up front for Ireland, but to dismiss him out of hand just because he plays for Drogheda, while persisting with the call-up of proven failures such as Elliott, Lee and various other nearly men from the lower English leagues makes no sense to me.
doubt it....what about Colin Hawkins? forget about him...I don't blame you..He's only played 13 times since joining from Shels in 2006.Quote:
Originally Posted by half_full
Elliot is not a proven failure. He has been unlucky with injuries. Most times he's played for Ireland he's played quite well. He'll probably never get to the level that he could have attained, but it's not due to his ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ambaiste!
Regardless of whether Drogheda etc. would be comfortable in the English second division, there are LoI players worthy of a call up.
Hopefully Trappatoni will be unlike almost every other Irish manager and give this league respect.
Fair enough, but the fact remains that he, and others mentioned are probably never going to cut it. They've had their chance, why not give someone else a fair crack of the whip? I genuinely can't see the harm.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Zayed had his chance too - Crewe rejected him. So he's a failure too. He's had a fair crack of the whip, to use your phrase.
Also, when Doyle left, he had something like 10 goals in 14 games. O'Donovan had 20 goals in 20 games. Don't have Zayed's stats offhand, but if he got 10 goals in a season, I'd be surprised. There's no comparison, even between those two.
Right, Zayed was mentioned on the off hand, but the thread is relvolving around him. For instance IF Jason Byrne/Mooney etc. hits 20 plus this season, then he SHOULD be given a call up to a meaningful match.
Why should Crewe be the judge of a player?
Byrne did hit 20 goals a season, for four seasons. He went to cardiff and failed. Mooney went on trial with Crystal Palace and failed. Sorts your whine about only using Crewe as an example.
Spotting a trend yet?
:confused: Mooney was offered an 18 month contractQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
No, no he didnt. He didnt stand out all that much even at City. He had a good run of form, and was swept off to reading. Denis Behan had a similar run of form and hasnt been signed, because the transfer window was closed at the time of his scoring run. Doyler was initialled called up because of the club he was at and would not have been considered if he had stayed put, the same as Behan has not been called up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
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Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Try reading my posts. AND it's only a day old.:eek::rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Mooney didn't fail as pointed out already.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
RE: Jason Byrne, two words: Fowler and Hasslebank. Also Byrne only got 10 games, and AFAIK Cardiff have no proper reserve side, which would have dented his chances at getting back to the first team.
Fowler and Hasslebank are both well well past their prime and are not the best in the divisionQuote:
Originally Posted by half_full
Fowler and Hasslebank is the standard of player you need to be to play in the Championship. I'm afraid not too many players on this island are up to that standard. Let alone full football teams.
Fully aware they are past their best, still are far from poor players, and possibly good enough as Premiership squad players?
So Doyle, Long, Murphy, O'Donovan, and possibly Mooney would all be of Championship standard then?
OK so. Carsley out, Gamble in.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
It works with any combination. Doesn't make your comments any less ridiculous.
He hates being caught!! ;) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
it should take an exceptional player to make an international squad, at the moment i dont think there are any LOI players that can make that grade, the championship argument is a different one, IMO there are a host of payers who would hold their own in that league (but not at the top few clubs which is where any internationals might come from)
Stu your brand of pesamism (as opposed to realism) is wholy depressing,
No-one yet has managed to show why I'm not being realistic.
Simply saying it don't mak it true...
Why is the idea of replacing an average workhorse with a potentially great player ridiculous? Worst case scenario, Gamble runs about a lot, wins a few tackles and always passes the ball backwards. We'd just about break even there I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu