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23/02/2006, 10:32 AM
max power

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

I don't think it's a case of non-nationals not being willing to learn the language but rather them being employed while in the early stages of learning English. In my local newagents the staff became all Chinese about three years ago and you used not to be able to communicate in the slightest down there. The same people are in place three years later and speak adequate English now. I've lived in Slovenia for many months without being able to communicate and you feel like an impotent fool. You can't do basic things like go shopping and get something at the deli or have to avoid eye contact in the elevator in case someone says "nice weather" and you don't no how to respond. I don't think anyone willingly wants to be unable to communicate.

so really wahat your saying is for me to go back to the store in 3 years and they might have learned english.
23/02/2006, 10:34 AM
liam88

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Not disagreeing with your sentiments but this passage is untrue. The VAST majority of nonEU nationals in Ireland are voluntarily migrant

This is what i'm getting at - "voluntarily migrant" is a misunderstood term.

If someone is "voluntarily migrant" it means they probably wern't raped in a Shanghai Jail for shouting Free Tibet, or attacked by Burmese soldiers because they have the wrong surname but still the majority of "voluntarily migrant" people had to leave for more indirect reasons such as poverty/opression/lack of opportunity.
all "voluntarily migrant" really means is they wern't chased over a boarder. 99% of the time though the will have left their home because it was poor, their family was trying to force them into an arranged marriage, there was sever opression/lack of press freedom etc. or soemthing along these lines.
If the palces the people were coming from were such havens why would they be wanting to leave? The answer is that they wouldn't!
The majority of migrants from China would be termed "voluntarily migrants" simply because they wern't chased out-but let's be honest; living in China wouldn't you take the first oppurtunity to get to Ireland or the UK.

These people haven't come to Ireland for the decent chips or to England so they could live near Buckingham palace-they have come because they want to have an oppurtunity, make some money and live in a democracy-thigns that every human being deserves.

Jamaican PM-what's you opinion on nick griffin?n Just out of inteterest?
23/02/2006, 10:35 AM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by max power

so really wahat your saying is for me to go back to the store in 3 years and they might have learned english.

Yes, that's exactly what I said.
23/02/2006, 10:37 AM
liam88

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Originally Posted by max power

so really wahat your saying is for me to go back to the store in 3 years and they might have learned english.

my friend from Burma is picking up English like anything through working! He came 3 years ago but he's been fluent for a while now-give people who come to Ireland/UK a chance to learn the language yea?
23/02/2006, 10:42 AM
Den Perry

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Originally Posted by liam88

my friend from Burma is picking up English like anything through working! He came 3 years ago but he's been fluent for a while now-give people who come to Ireland/UK a chance to learn the language yea?

give them a chance...but not to my detriment ok?
23/02/2006, 10:48 AM
Poor Student

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

give them a chance...but not to my detriment ok?

With all due respect unless you have some magic formula for learning a language the only way to be able to learn one to be able to use it adequately is through being immersed in it and having to be thrown in at the deep end.
23/02/2006, 11:03 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

give them a chance...but not to my detriment ok?

It'd be a lot more to your detriment if we didn't have these migrant workers willing to work s*it hours for s*it pay!!!!
23/02/2006, 11:10 AM
Plastic Paddy

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

Did you study that case where the court had to determine whether Sheiks wre a race?

Den, you need to pay more attention in class. The case concerned the racial status of Sikhs rather than Sheikhs.

:ball: PP
23/02/2006, 11:12 AM
Drumcondra Red

Yes, its racist
23/02/2006, 11:20 AM
Den Perry

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Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy

Den, you need to pay more attention in class. The case concerned the racial status of Sikhs rather than Sheikhs.

:ball: PP

Yes Paddy I was chatting up the bird next to me back then....even in the tutorial that we dedicated to that case! what was the name of the case again? As far as I remember, the whole race thing was a side issue wasn't it?

"He who comes to Equity must come with clean hands".....Lord Denning, Re: High Trees House
23/02/2006, 11:22 AM
Den Perry

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Originally Posted by micls

It'd be a lot more to your detriment if we didn't have these migrant workers willing to work s*it hours for s*it pay!!!!

Don't thnk so.......
23/02/2006, 11:22 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

give them a chance...but not to my detriment ok?

What detriment, it takes you 5 minutes instead of 2 to get a packet of crisps???. Boo ****ing hoo

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This is what i'm getting at - "voluntarily migrant" is a misunderstood term.

Its not an official term, I just used due to a poot vocabulary

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If someone is "voluntarily migrant" it means they probably wern't raped in a Shanghai Jail for shouting Free Tibet, or attacked by Burmese soldiers because they have the wrong surname but still the majority of "voluntarily migrant" people had to leave for more indirect reasons such as poverty/opression/lack of opportunity.
all "voluntarily migrant" really means is they wern't chased over a boarder. 99% of the time though the will have left their home because it was poor, their family was trying to force them into an arranged marriage, there was sever opression/lack of press freedom etc. or soemthing along these lines.

Seriously, you reading too many academic journals. I worked in the area, you are wrong.

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If the palces the people were coming from were such havens why would they be wanting to leave? The answer is that they wouldn't!

Why are there so many Irish in Australia?

I'm not trying to be personal Liam but you really can't comment on real life politiks until you've lived a little
23/02/2006, 11:26 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

Don't thnk so.......

:rolleyes:

Who do you think would work in the 24 hour garages etc. if these migrants weren't-cos irish people sure aren't willing to!!
23/02/2006, 11:26 AM
Block G Raptor

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Originally Posted by Poor Student

you feel like an impotent fool. You can't do basic things like go shopping and get something at the deli

Exactly how it is for english speaking customers in a lot of shops in this country
23/02/2006, 11:26 AM
Den Perry

How many irish in Australia or the USA get free state benefits?
23/02/2006, 11:29 AM
Den Perry

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Originally Posted by micls

:rolleyes:

Who do you think would work in the 24 hour garages etc. if these migrants weren't-cos irish people sure aren't willing to!!

Well maybe the wages would not be so low if these people were not willing to work for them. Oh and please do not think me a rascist just because I have some "conservative" beliefs
23/02/2006, 11:32 AM
Den Perry

What detriment, it takes you 5 minutes instead of 2 to get a packet of crisps???. Boo ****ing hoo

Yes, and why should I wait five minutes because the person who is supposed to be at my service is too rude to speak English (or Gaeilge) to me?......and I don't eat crisps, cadbury's cream eggs are my thing
23/02/2006, 11:33 AM
Dodge

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

How many irish in Australia or the USA get free state benefits?

way more than non Eu citizens living here. And we're talking about people who are working for a living
23/02/2006, 11:34 AM
micls

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

Well maybe the wages would not be so low if these people were not willing to work for them. Oh and please do not think me a rascist just because I have some "conservative" beliefs

For it to be profitible for a garage to stay open overnight the wages have to be fairly low- otherwise the garages just wont bother....
23/02/2006, 12:42 PM
Plastic Paddy

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

Yes Paddy I was chatting up the bird next to me back then....even in the tutorial that we dedicated to that case! what was the name of the case again? As far as I remember, the whole race thing was a side issue wasn't it?

Your ignorance and not just in this post is no laughing matter to me Den. It certainly helps to explain your blinkered attitude though.

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Originally Posted by Den Perry

"He who comes to Equity must come with clean hands".....Lord Denning, Re: High Trees House

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You don't need to be a Law Lord to work that one out.

It's also worth remembering that reproducing quotes from learned people doesn't of itself accord you the same status or intelligence. On the evidence I don't think we'd struggle to differentiate between the quality of your thoughts and those of others.

:ball: PP

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