Shields for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
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Shields for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Can't agree there. O'Donnell is well ahead of Shields. He does the good defensive tasks that Shields does but he offers much more in attack. I also think that if Shields is pressed quickly when he gets the ball that he has a tendency to panic whereas you never see O'Donnell panic on the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
O'Donnell is miles better than Shields.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
For me two influential players for Pats league win were Russell and Bisto Flood(when he came in). Minus those two and I think Dundalk would have pipped them. Cillian Brennan and Bohs under Fenlon should have won that first title that Michael O Neill won with Shamrock Rovers, would Bohs fans agree?
Also a sign of a good player is how much they perform/improve a less talented squad if they move, Fletcher and Johnny Evans would be an example at WBA this season. Not sure how far behind Cillian is Connor Powell in terms of honours and PFAI awards. Other recent award winners are Mark Quigley and Jay McGuinness.
Really bad luck for Luke Byrne, he looked promising when he first came in for Bohs, and hope he makes a full recovery.
I can only go on what I've seen, but they look a lot weaker without Shields than they do without O'Donnell.
O'Donnell started 12 league games last season and still made the PFAI team of the year- by the time of the vote that would have been 8 or 9. Two thirds of a crocked SOD > Shields. And I love Chris Shields.
Both fine players with great seasons but Bolger won the Pats player of the year and Brennan won the league player of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by wonder88
Russell was there in 2012 too but the difference for Pats in 2013 was Brennan and Conan Byrne. They brought the team on hugely
It'll be good to get Roddy Jr back in the league so these debates over who the best player is can end once and for all.
Clouded judgement, i get that:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
He never did make it in the UK, that's good enough for me. Big fish small pond (muddy pond at that)
Disagree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Take even the FAI cup final. I thought cork were getting in top up too the sean gannon injury. Kenny switched shiels to RB and skip came on then after and controlled the game from the start of the 2nd half on.
The boys are right. When shiels is pressed quickly he panics and loses the ball. Also he struggles to pass the ball more than a couple of metres.
I agree that O'Donnell is the better player and the best in the league, but I don't agree with your description of Shields. He is not as composed as O'Donnell but he rarely losses the ball when pressed, less than the majority of LOI midfielders.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
As for struggling to pass the ball 2 meters, I think we all know that's rubbish
Watching the Rovers-Dundalk match the other night It was noticeable how shields was the heartbeat of the team. O'donnell was fine but didn't have as much impact before he had to go off.
As for comparing O'Donnell to Brennan- do me a favour. O'Donnell had a lot of competition in the Rovers midfield when he was at Rovers so didn't play as often as he liked
Brennan is an indication of how far away Rovers have fallen, on the road to success.
The most impressive part of that was he was clearly injured. He struggled to move and still controlled midfield against CorkQuote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
No surprise to see Cork invest heavily in midfield this season
Liam Miller was so traumatised by the experience he emigrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Was at Turners X last year when Cork battered Pats. Brennan was trying to take possession from Mark O'Sullivan maybe 25 yards from goal and just gave up utterly and flopped to the ground. Unhindered, O'Sullivan trotted on to score. I know you can't judge a player on one moment but that one encapsulated all that has held Brennan back for me.
We got battered that first half aswell Pats a complete no show 2nd half wouldn't mind a repeat scoreline of that tonight
He was as uninterested on Monday. Obviously a player who needs to be motivated and that's not something that comes easily for him playing for a club he doesn't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
Yeah I'd agree with that. That was particularly poor. The guy has all the talent in the world, but moments like that are definitely a negative on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by sadloserkid
You are possibly forming that opinion on the excellent display he gave away to Cork last April. I think from where he was in 2012, Shields is probably the most improved midfielder in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
He can have a few poor games though and his touch at times lets him down, you get impressions he needs to be fully concentrating in every single match for 90 mins, overall though he has been excellent since the middle of 2013.
I would O'Donnell as the best MF in the league though. Finn is showing signs that he will be that player maybe next season. Miele was also very good last season and worth a mention. Bolger is effective at what he does.
Shields is obviously one of the least talented players in the Dundalk team and probably the least talented midfielder in most games he plays. But he's maximised his talent through hard work. Guys like Massey and Boyle would fit into the same category.