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i always found we never saw the best of Sheridan under Charlton - i remember he came against Spain in Dublin in 1993 , when we were 3 goals down , he looked like a lad who could play, i thought he was a great midfielder when he played for Wednesday in the early 90's , and he was instrumental in beating united in the league cup in 92, Wednesday were a decent premiership team in the early 90's , he also gave a mom performance against Bolivia prior to the World cup in 1994
Sheridan was a class footballer! A real playmaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royal rover
1991 was the Final where they beat Man U. Class passer of a ball ok but lacked speed and of course his style of play and lack of physicality didn't suit Big J's up and at 'em approach. Not a box to box midfielder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royal rover
Happy birthday to Jack. 78 today.
From somewhere out in the world, there comes a reply, "thanks Eagle".
More likely 'shuddup. Yull scare tha bluddy fish!'
In fact he scored a goal that day - and it was the goal that put us through on goal difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Royal rover
On goals scored!
:) I didn't say "Happy birthday Jack". I said "Happy birthday to Jack".Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I remember a time, not sure if it applied on the international scene, when placings were decided on so-called goal average as opposed to goal difference (i.e. the number of goals scored was divided by the number of goals conceded so 50/25 would have finished ahead of 80/41. The comments on Sheridan's goal against Spain reminded of that.
How's that for a conversation stopper?
Pretty wonderful though I think as soon as Tets and Dodge see it it will pick right up again.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
A little interview with Charlton published a couple of day ago.
I had heard about the Bob Paisley thing at some stage but probably didn't fully appreciate the significance of it. It got me digging a small bit deeper and I came across this interesting piece:
BOB PAISLEY: THE GREATEST MANAGER IRELAND NEVER HAD
We got the greatest instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
No doubt. It must have been tough to take (for everybody?) at the time though surely?
It was one of the biggest brain farts in football history at the time, to choose Charlton over Bob Paisley. I was dumbfounded by the decision. Charlton was a plodder compared to the football genius of Paisley.
But as it turned out, Bob was already showing early sign of a serious chronic nerve disease, his brain function was affected and he degenerated rapidly, within a year or two.
Charlton just deteriorated at a much slower rate.
Not for me. I knew Charlton would be a success (he had been that almost unique thing: a successful Sheffield Wednesday manager). I kept the articles by Con Houlihan castigating the appointment of Charlton and sent it back to him two years later :) All Paisley had known was Liverpool (and action in WW2 incidentally). He had worked under Shankly and then stepped in to his shoes. I am not sure he would have succeeded with us in a totally different environment. A better coach no doubt but the big Geordie was much more suited to the Irish position ---- but we'll never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
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Originally Posted by OwlsFan
It doesn't demean Charton's subsequent brilliant achievements with Ireland one little bit by stating the bleedin' obvious glaring fact that as decent as Charlton was as a club manager he was not in the same league as Bob Paisley and nowhere near it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Bob succeeded God and did a better job. It is one of the most astonishing aspects of football history that this manager is so underrated when in any discussion of the all time greats, his name should be mentioned seriously.
Paisley certainly was a great Liverpool manager. It was a great honour for Ireland that such a man would put himself up for the Irish job.
He won more alright but I think the scale of their particular jobs were almost incomparable. Liverpool were slumming it out in Division 2 for a few years when Shankly took over. If somebody built my house from the ground up I wouldn't turn around and give more credit to the guy that painted it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I think this might be one of those situations where it's noted so often that somebody is underrated that he's not actually underrated at all, a bit like Denis Irwin (or Donnchadh Walsh for GAA fans). Paisley is mentioned in most conversations I hear to be honest - himself, Clough, Busby, Shankly and Ferguson (in no particular order) are probably the five really outstanding British managers? Is anybody else deserving of a serious mention? Only Ancelotti has won as many European Cups as Paisley so he's always going to be in the conversation I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
He didn't better Shankly of course but Paisley also helped build Liverpool from the ashes and without him much would have been missing from Liverpool's game. At least he improved on the situation he took over after Shankly, where most would struggle, taking over from an icon of the game.
Paisley is not just one of the greatest coaches/ managers in British history, but would fit into many a top 10 of world coaches/managers list. Not just for his record at the helm but also the 20 years before that. I don't know where Jack would be ranked then.
My point relates to the question, that at the particular time in football history when Ireland were looking for a manager, Bob Paisley was God at that time, Jack was decent but not in the same league.