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12/11/2010, 4:08 PM
mypost

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

There's been so much said that I don't agree with here. I'm a public servant for starters.
Pension related deduction (aka pension levy): We will never ever see any benefit from this. This will never ever go to our pensions. It amounts to a pay-cut. Also remember we have a received a pay-cut as well. So we've been screwed across the board.
Bonus payments made to director-of-services were not subjected to a cut last year as they were perceived to have had a reasonable expectation. Just like us lower paid? W@nkers.
I keep suggesting ways to make our jobs easier and therefore efficient and which will save a lot of money over time but they constantly get shouted down because "that's not how we've always done it"!

I'm completely for slashing social welfare allowances. They are far too high and they are routinely scamming.

The other thing that annoys me about our system is the value of JSA and JSB. How someone who has worked all their lives and loses their job is entitled to �196 pw on JSB and someone who has never worked a day in their lives is also entitled to the same amount on JSA I'll never understand.

And the other thing that annoys me is how those with guaranteed jobs kick the many that don't.

New claimants this year under-25, were taxed 25 -50% of their JB before they brought in the P45, had to endure weeks of waiting to be processed, and had to live on 102-150 a week. Not only that, they had a humiliating walk to the post office every week to go and collect it, next month they'll have to queue up amongst those who are sending expensive Christmas gifts to America and Australia, while they barely have enough to buy food. Utter humiliation. Like all JA/JB applicants, they face another tax kick in 4 weeks time. But you have a job, have something to go to every morning, and have enough time to come on here and mock them. If you lost your job, you'd learn very quick the value of what exactly 102-196 Euro a week is, and how hard it is to pay everything out of it. But you're a public servant, a job and income relatively protected by the state, so you don't have to worry about such issues.

450,000 people do.
12/11/2010, 4:46 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by mypost

And the other thing that annoys me is how those with guaranteed jobs kick the many that don't.

New claimants this year under-25, were taxed 25 -50% of their JB before they brought in the P45, had to endure weeks of waiting to be processed, and had to live on 102-150 a week. Not only that, they had a humiliating walk to the post office every week to go and collect it, next month they'll have to queue up amongst those who are sending expensive Christmas gifts to America and Australia, while they barely have enough to buy food. Utter humiliation. Like all JA/JB applicants, they face another tax kick in 4 weeks time. But you have a job, have something to go to every morning, and have enough time to come on here and mock them. If you lost your job, you'd learn very quick the value of what exactly 102-196 Euro a week is, and how hard it is to pay everything out of it. But you're a public servant, a job and income relatively protected by the state, so you don't have to worry about such issues.

450,000 people do.

That was quick. Let me refute most of that typical bull that's directed at public servants.
Read what I actually said. I am all for the absolute destruction of the public service as it stands because it just doesn't work. I spend most of my day banging my head against the wall trying to help out people on welfare, trying to help people who are in debt and trying to help those who need someone to talk to. I try to do all of that within the constraints of the insane public service system. It's only when you're inside that you actually realise just how corrupt and inefficient and downright pointless most of it is.

I work with a lot of very well paid and useless people, people we could well do with out but it is up to management to sort that out, but there's no will to do it.
My job is not guaranteed and technically no-one's is in the public service, unfortunately the unions have management and the govt by the short and curlies.

I do what's more than what's expected of me and as long as I do that why should I not consider my job safe?

My comments about SW had to do with the equality in the system. I have the utmost sympathy for anyone on JB right now. My sister recently lost her job so I know all about it. I was on JB back in 2006 as well so I'm aware of the humiliation of getting grilled by SW staff about my entitlements, though I got my money paid into my bank account. The most humiliating part is queuing to sign on to be honest.

The thing that I was commenting on was that the system is a crock and needs to be changed.

I'm unaware of this so-called 25-50% tax you speak of that for claimants of JB who didn't have their P45s.

The system for signing on after losing your job is fairly simple... fill out the form and bring your P45 (or a letter from your employer if you can't access your P45 straight away which happens). If you don't got those details then you don't get JB. Then you apply for JA. JA is reduced for under 25s as they have generally no economic need. Tell me that an 18yo needs 196.00 pw? They should be working and if not in school/college or on FAS.

If you bring in all your documents to SW it can be processed fairly quickly. My sister had hers in a week and a half. If you have to wait any longer you can go to your local CWO who will give you SWA to tide you over. JB is not reduced for anyone no matter what age provided they have enough credits/stamps paid in the previous full tax year.

I have sympathy for a broad majority of the 450,000 you quote but as for the long term unemployed who have been mooching and coudl never be bothered to get a job over the years. Screw em!

Also, I have enough time to.come on here because I'm on holidays.
12/11/2010, 5:50 PM
mypost

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It's only when you're inside that you actually realise just how corrupt and inefficient and downright pointless most of it is. My job is not guaranteed and technically no-one's is in the public service
I do what's more than what's expected of me and as long as I do that why should I not consider my job safe?

You are inside, and that's more preferable than being on the outside. The job is as guaranteed as it gets. The country has business to get on with, and that business has to be done by public servants. There's always a job for them to do.

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I have the utmost sympathy for anyone on JB right now. My sister recently lost her job so I know all about it. The thing that I was commenting on was that the system is a crock and needs to be changed.

I'm unaware of this so-called 25-50% tax you speak of that for claimants of JB who didn't have their P45s.

Your sister knows all about it. You have a job to go to each day, an income to collect every week, and able to spend it as you see fit. The system has been changed. The full rate was 196 a week, it's now that for fewer people. The lesser amount they get is the "tax" compared to those who have the full amount, which in itself is 8 Euro a week down on last year.

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fill out the form and bring your P45 (or a letter from your employer if you can't access your P45 straight away which happens). If you don't got those details then you don't get JB. Then you apply for JA. JA is reduced for under 25s as they have generally no economic need. Tell me that an 18yo needs 196.00 pw? They should be working and if not in school/college or on FAS.

Another mass generalisation. Working in what? There's no jobs, either private or public. It's not simple to go to third level while Fas courses are oversubscribed.

And it all takes "a week" does it? By the time all the documentation required is produced, it can be up to 6 weeks before a JB application is processed and payment is authorised. JA can in some places take 3-5 months, before the relevant documentation is produced, and the application means-tested, before it's processed and payment is authorised.

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If you have to wait any longer you can go to your local CWO who will give you SWA to tide you over. I have sympathy for a broad majority of the 450,000 you quote but as for the long term unemployed who have been mooching and coudl never be bothered to get a job over the years. Screw em!

You can, if you're prepared to put up with more humiliation, on top of what you've already put up with. 2 years ago, we had 220,000 people on the dole, it's now double that. Most of them have no job through no fault of their own. They're long term unemployed now as there are no jobs in the country. Public sector workers have worked in the same profession for 40 years without worry of losing their job, and with the full backing of their powerful unions to support their cause. They have the life of riley in comparison.

I've had this debate here before with other posters and I'll probably have it again in the future. But if anyone here attempts to kick the "unemployed dole-scroungers" as O'Leary called them last year, I'll be standing up to them, as long as Ireland's economy remains as is.
12/11/2010, 6:35 PM
dahamsta

Getting rid of tenure - properly - would be a good first step towards fixing the public service. It's nonsense, plain and simple.
12/11/2010, 7:02 PM
Macy

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Getting rid of tenure - properly - would be a good first step towards fixing the public service. It's nonsense, plain and simple.

I don't believe it exists to the degree that people think it does. If proper procedures are followed then people can and are sacked. If it is harder, there is a reason for that, as I've pointed out many times on here before - to stop political sackings because people wouldn't be corrupted.

And believe me, I know of cases where this has happened with Ministers looking for short cuts over basic standards to help cronies, and have tried to screw up the career of people doing their job. The labour court found 100% in favour of the staff member (extremely rare), who was reinstated after basically being white walled. Without that added protection he'd have won in the employment appeals tribunal, but would've lost his job for insisting on doing his job.

Contrary to most opinions by even public servants here, most people I know genuinely work hard and do their best. I don't see any more laziness in the public sector than when I was in the private sector.
12/11/2010, 8:43 PM
dahamsta

It must be different sectors Macy, because I have family in public service and they think it should be knocked on the head, because of their personal experience of people who do absolutely no work. (In some cases they can't work because of bureacracy, but that's not always they case. And it shouldn't be like that anyway.) And my wife spends a good bit of time in those circles and she's all for it too because of the waste, and just plain laziness, that she often sees. She also works with academics, and agrees with me on the abolition of tenure there too.

I'm not arguing with you and I do believe you, but I don't think you're right across the board. The HSE is the best example out there, it's criminally overemployed. They're addressing that now to a certain extent, but it seems very up in the air what'll actually happen; who'll actually go? I'll be very surprised if there aren't plenty of useless middle managers left after the purge, clacking away at nothing on their computers, pretending they're not spending half their days on Facebook.

Locking down the web browsers would be a good start. The bandwidth saved on Facebook alone would probably save the country a few quid. But then you'd have to remove solitaire from the comps too. Back to the mainframe I say, and I'm not kidding when I say it!

EDIT: I should add, I don't believe that canning tenure is the be-all and end-all solution, and I don't want to see half the public service kicked out on their ear. A huge number of public servants could and should be reassigned to places where they'll have to work, but managers are unable to because of the golden contracts. This needs to be fixed urgently too.

adam
13/11/2010, 9:47 AM
mypost

Gilmore on the Late Late last night, complaining about the public sector. An excellent opportunity to say what the audience want to hear, and probably another boost in the polls.
13/11/2010, 12:42 PM
Macy

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

Locking down the web browsers would be a good start. The bandwidth saved on Facebook alone would probably save the country a few quid. But then you'd have to remove solitaire from the comps too. Back to the mainframe I say, and I'm not kidding when I say it!

I'd be very surprised if facebook and the likes aren't locked down already.

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

EDIT: I should add, I don't believe that canning tenure is the be-all and end-all solution, and I don't want to see half the public service kicked out on their ear. A huge number of public servants could and should be reassigned to places where they'll have to work, but managers are unable to because of the golden contracts. This needs to be fixed urgently too.

There's already an agreement that puts this in place. However, is there the political will to make it happen? I personally believe that the Government is trying to bring it down and take the easy option of straight pay cuts and avoid the genuine hard decisions on reorganisation.

Just because the existing procedures aren't used, doesn't mean that they aren't there.
14/11/2010, 7:35 AM
culloty82

Adams wants to replace Morgan in Louth - anytime he's done an RTE election debate, he's looked out of his depth, so not convinced about this venture.
15/11/2010, 2:08 PM
BonnieShels

Do you ever read what people write or do you make assumptions in all cases?

You make compelling arguments sometimes but the ones you made here don't actually correlate with what I wrote.

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mypost: You are inside, and that's more preferable than being on the outside. The job is as guaranteed as it gets. The country has business to get on with, and that business has to be done by public servants. There's always a job for them to do.

The business I get on with is barely done and it should not take so long to do what I have to do everyday. I am sure you can peruse the rest of the public sector and see the same thing. My point is that I want the whole thing torn down and started again. My job could be easily subsumed into a more efficient organisation. But that's another eras work.

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Your sister knows all about it. You have a job to go to each day, an income to collect every week, and able to spend it as you see fit. The system has been changed. The full rate was 196 a week, it's now that for fewer people. The lesser amount they get is the "tax" compared to those who have the full amount, which in itself is 8 Euro a week down on last year.

Again stop mentioning tax in relation to JA and JB and stop using JA and JB as synonyms as they are different payments for different albeit similar circumstances, I have outlined this to you several times and you seem to have some grasp of the system so stop fudging the issue.
The full rate of JB for 2010 is 196.00 unless you haven't got enough stamps in the previous applicable tax year and then it is reduced as part of a scale. It has ALWAYS been like this. FOREVER.
JA however is a different story. JA at the full rate is 196.00 and is not dependent on your stamps but is means tested. Though in practice it is virtually always paid at the full rate. Different rates exist for different age groups and this was introduced as part of the last budget. The full rate for someone 18-21 yoa claiming JA is 100.00 pw. For those 22-25 yoa it is 150.00. These rates only applied to NEW applicants from January 2010 so it's not as far reaching as you like to make out.
The basic rate for 2009 was 204.30 introduced in Budget 2009 Part I in December 2008. This was an increase of 6.50 pw from the 2008 rate.
How this was ever acceptable to increase on foot of what had occurred in September 2008 and the increasing unemployment that was everywhere at the time I never understood. The reduction to 196.00 was a correction. The reduction of the U25 rates was also a timely measure to fit in with the new reality of the Exchequer and the increasing amount of "stampless" U25's in society.

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Another mass generalisation. Working in what? There's no jobs, either private or public. It's not simple to go to third level while Fas courses are oversubscribed.

This is an example of you not getting what's going on.
The fact that F�S courses are oversubscibed is saying to me that they need more money. I admit that giving F�S any money is dangerous but let's overlook it's crapness for the moment. Also if you do the maths here would it not be more sensible to spend each of those 196.00 per weeks to people of college going age and place it directly into the 2.5 and 3rd level sector in order to make these people employable in the future.
My brother completed his leaving cert in June and didn't get the course he wanted so has decided to do a part-time course in psychology and go to work... He has never had a job before and managed to bag himself a job.
So you still telling me there's no work out there? My brother with possibly the worst CV I've ever seen managed to get work. There is work out there for anyone who wants it but you have to go look for it. Tough I know with those 40 hour dole weeks that some people have to do it's tough finding time to job search.

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And it all takes "a week" does it? By the time all the documentation required is produced, it can be up to 6 weeks before a JB application is processed and payment is authorised. JA can in some places take 3-5 months, before the relevant documentation is produced, and the application means-tested, before it's processed and payment is authorised.

Yes it does but you still seem to me to be getting confused with JA and JB yet again.
My sister went to the SWLO on the Tuesday after she finished work. She brought with her all appropriate documentation to make her JB claim. She had her payment slip in the post the next Tuesday morning detailing her payment she would receive the Thursday afterwards.
When you get JB you are informed for how long you will get it for. It's usually around the 11 month mark. Nearing the end of your claim and presuming you haven't gone back to work in the mean time you should go to your SWLO well in time and make your claim for JA. This of course takes longer as it is means tested. If you decide at the last minute to go and sort your claim then why should you get up in arms about it taking so long and you having no money. You are informed of EVERYTHING you should be prepared. It can take 3-5 months in extreme cases and I actually know of one incident where this happened but that was as a result of SW banging their head of the wall repeatedly asking for documentation. It doesn't take 3-5 months for the craic. If it is taking this long there is always a reason for it. And very often it is the claimants' fault. Like I said before there is SWA available for these extreme cases. A CWO can approve instantly.

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You can, if you're prepared to put up with more humiliation, on top of what you've already put up with. 2 years ago, we had 220,000 people on the dole, it's now double that. Most of them have no job through no fault of their own. They're long term unemployed now as there are no jobs in the country. Public sector workers have worked in the same profession for 40 years without worry of losing their job, and with the full backing of their powerful unions to support their cause. They have the life of riley in comparison.

You would swear that people point and laugh when they go to the SW? Just because you go to the SW office first thing in the morning means that yes you are going to be queuing. If you have a problem with this then go at another time. This is the system we have in place. And trust me there is a lot of people out there on SW that have absolutely no problem and love state handouts and would queue up for all their ENP's to get their new TVs and cookers.

Like I said so many times before I work with these people and they should be out on their ear. There is nothing in essence wrong with unions however in this country they make everything a difficult. I'm no longer a member of Impact as I completely disagreed with the strike last year and with the CPA. Every union I have been part of be it Mandate, IBOA, ESBOA or Impact have been useless in protecting the newer members of their organisations and are only interested in keeping the higher paid happy. Check out what the PSEU managed with the minister for finance last year re bonuses.

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I've had this debate here before with other posters and I'll probably have it again in the future. But if anyone here attempts to kick the "unemployed dole-scroungers" as O'Leary called them last year, I'll be standing up to them, as long as Ireland's economy remains as is.

Again I don't remember calling anyone a scrounger. There are a lot of scroungers out there and they have no sympathy from me. I would be completely supportive of an increase in JB and a progressive decrease in JA. this is what it should be like. Like I said before what is demoralising is contributing to the PRSI fund for your whole working life and then when you lose your job you only get what John B Lazyhole get's on JA and he hasn't done a tap since leaving school in 1986. Screw him. He should get nothing and made to dance for his money.

Anyone who has lost their job I will always stand by. Those I can't abide are those who contribute nothing to this country. Despite what you may like to think they are out there in their droves.
15/11/2010, 2:20 PM
passinginterest

Any chance we could just let BonnieShels run the country? :)
15/11/2010, 2:37 PM
total hoofball

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My brother completed his leaving cert in June and didn't get the course he wanted so has decided to do a part-time course in psychology and go to work... He has never had a job before and managed to bag himself a job.
So you still telling me there's no work out there? My brother with possibly the worst CV I've ever seen managed to get work. There is work out there for anyone who wants it but you have to go look for it. Tough I know with those 40 hour dole weeks that some people have to do it's tough finding time to job search.

ARRRGGHHHHH.

I was unemployed for 12 months in 09/10 and applied for 150+ jobs, only got 4 interviews and no job. Overqualified for all the menial jobs as I had a degree and inexperienced for all jobs in my field because I had less than years f/t work experience.

But sure it's all so easy because my brother got a job.... you haven't got a scooby doo buddy. 500,000+ unemployed people competing for a supply of 1% of vacancies disagree with you.
15/11/2010, 2:45 PM
total hoofball

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Again I don't remember calling anyone a scrounger. There are a lot of scroungers out there and they have no sympathy from me. I would be completely supportive of an increase in JB and a progressive decrease in JA. this is what it should be like. Like I said before what is demoralising is contributing to the PRSI fund for your whole working life and then when you lose your job you only get what John B Lazyhole get's on JA and he hasn't done a tap since leaving school in 1986. Screw him. He should get nothing and made to dance for his money.

Why did you in your first post on SW IMMEDIATELY go on a mythical rant about how they're all sponging and how generous SW benefits are? Sounded like a labelling to me.

If SW sponging is such a drastic problem in this country why then did we have a full employment only 3 years ago? Not denying there was a small element not bothered to work but 90%+ of people on unemployment benefits do not want to be on them.

Also progressively reducing JSA would have been a great idea when there were jobs in this country but now that's impossible as long-term unemployment is gathering pace to a shocking 50%.
15/11/2010, 2:46 PM
BonnieShels

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Originally Posted by passinginterest

Any chance we could just let BonnieShels run the country? :)

Gladly.

I am not at all talking about the likes of yourself at all at all. Calm toi.

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Why did you in your first post on SW IMMEDIATELY go on a mythical rant about how they're all sponging and how generous SW benefits are? Sounded like a labelling to me.

It wasn't a mythical rant. It was based on the factuality of my day-to-day business in work.

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If SW sponging is such a drastic problem in this country why then did we have a full employment only 3 years ago? Not denying there was a small element not bothered to work but 90%+ of people on unemployment benefits do not want to be on them.

Again the whole full employment argument never allowed anyone to see the thousands of people out working and claiming OPFP, BTWA, BTWEA and FIS!

I would almost happily wager a bet of silver crowns that that 90% is almost certainly less. How we would ever prove it either way I dunno.

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Also progressively reducing JSA would have been a great idea when there were jobs in this country but now that's impossible as long-term unemployment is gathering pace to a shocking 50%.

Is that not even a bigger argument for a complete overhaul of the system?
15/11/2010, 3:11 PM
Lim till i die

GENERAL POINTS! NOTHING ABOUT BONNIESHELS. MY BAD. MEANT TO SAY AT START OF POST AS HADN'T BOTHERED READING WHOLE THREAD. WROTE DURING FM2011 LEAGUE CUP QUARTER FINAL. BEAT SLIGO 4-0. HERE COME THE GOOD TIMES.

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

JA however is a different story. JA at the full rate is 196.00 and is not dependent on your stamps but is means tested. Though in practice it is virtually always paid at the full rate.

I find that hard to believe.

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The reduction of the U25 rates was also a timely measure to fit in with the new reality of the Exchequer and the increasing amount of "stampless" U25's in society.

It was scandalous regressive, nonsense.

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I admit that giving F�S any money is dangerous but let's overlook it's crapness for the moment. Also if you do the maths here would it not be more sensible to spend each of those 196.00 per weeks to people of college going age and place it directly into the 2.5 and 3rd level sector in order to make these people employable in the future.

FAS told me to shag off not once, not twice, but thrice! And why?? Because I'm over qualified?? I'm confused as to whether or not this makes me a scrounger though??

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My brother completed his leaving cert in June and didn't get the course he wanted so has decided to do a part-time course in psychology and go to work... He has never had a job before and managed to bag himself a job.
So you still telling me there's no work out there? My brother with possibly the worst CV I've ever seen managed to get work. There is work out there for anyone who wants it but you have to go look for it.

What are your brothers circumstances, living expenses, etc, etc?? "My brother got a job therefore there are suitable jobs for everyone" is a pretty giant leap there buddy.

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And trust me there is a lot of people out there on SW that have absolutely no problem and love state handouts and would queue up for all their ENP's to get their new TVs and cookers.

I don't trust you. I've been saving up for about two years to get a new telly, just a little 19 inch portable hd one to play my Playstation 3 on. (I bought the Playstation 3 when I was working in Dell, before it shut down, plunging the city into ruin, I can assure you I didn't sponge it) Now if I am to trust you, will you please tell me what I'm doing wrong as I really want the telly?? Ta

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There are a lot of scroungers out there and they have no sympathy from me. I would be completely supportive of an increase in JB and a progressive decrease in JA. this is what it should be like.

So I can go swing because the country went down the $hitter after I got my honours degree but before I had enough stamps??

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John B Lazyhole get's on JA and he hasn't done a tap since leaving school in 1986.

Arab Terrorist.
Covetus Jew.
Brainy Asian.

We're listing stereotypes here right??

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Those I can't abide are those who contribute nothing to this country. Despite what you may like to think they are out there in their droves

They are very much in a minority and their existence is in large part the fault of the state, not of the hundreds of thousands of others who find themselves caught up in the current situation, which is of course also at least partially the fault of the state.
15/11/2010, 3:40 PM
peadar1987

I'm in the same situation. I have a masters in mechanical engineering, and there's no work here for me, because I have no work experience, and the sector is tiny here anyway. I've applied for between 50 and 60 jobs in the last two months, and been rejected for all of them. I've been told I'm overqualified for most unskilled jobs, and that employers aren't looking for someone who's going to feck off as soon as they get a better offer. Plenty of my friends are in the same boat. Not everyone who is forced to claim social welfare is a scrounger.
15/11/2010, 3:59 PM
BonnieShels

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I find that hard to believe.

Keep finding it hard to believe. It's true in my area with the approx 4000-6000 people I have to deal with on an annual basis. If it's different in Limerick then so be it. I can only comment on what I deal with day-to-day and that's the case.

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It was scandalous regressive, nonsense.

On what basis? You made a statement back it up man.

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FAS told me to shag off not once, not twice, but thrice! And why?? Because I'm over qualified?? I'm confused as to whether or not this makes me a scrounger though??

Do you go out of your way trying to be offended? How can anyone seriously glean from what I wrote that someone who was in college is a scrounger. Or they are a scrounger because they lost their job. Read what's written. Understand it. then reply. Reactive nonsense make you look silly. You will also find that if you read what I wrote which was "giving F�S money is dangerous. But let's ignore it's crapness for a second." I also advocated putting more money into education rather than needlessly wasting it on across the board welfare payments which don't achieve anything in the long-term.

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My brother with possibly the worst CV I've ever seen managed to get work. There is work out there for anyone who wants it but you have to go look for it.
What are your brothers circumstances, living expenses, etc, etc?? "My brother got a job therefore there are suitable jobs for everyone" is a pretty giant leap there buddy.

You're the one who took that giant leap. All of my comments pertaining were clearly relating to the uselessness of the argument that the reduction of JA was regressive. There are jobs there for certain sections of society alright. If not then those younger members should be productive in school/college rather than lying in bed til 2pm and getting paid to do so by the state.
Don't search for it's relevance to you.

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I don't trust you. I've been saving up for about two years to get a new telly, just a little 19 inch portable hd one to play my Playstation 3 on. (I bought the Playstation 3 when I was working in Dell, before it shut down, plunging the city into ruin, I can assure you I didn't sponge it) Now if I am to trust you, will you please tell me what I'm doing wrong as I really want the telly?? Ta

Clearly your CWO is not as awesome as the one here. I had a client complain to me that the TV she got from the CWO was too small. I nearly vomited.

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So I can go swing because the country went down the $hitter after I got my honours degree but before I had enough stamps??

How can you equate with what I said to a graduate? For god sake man. Stop being so easily offended

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Arab Terrorist.
Covetus Jew.
Brainy Asian.

We're listing stereotypes here right??

No we were making a point about the fairness of society. You chose to ignore that.

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They are very much in a minority and their existence is in large part the fault of the state, not of the hundreds of thousands of others who find themselves caught up in the current situation, which is of course also at least partially the fault of the state.

Which is what I have advocated a complete change and restructuring of the systems of the state.

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I'm in the same situation. I have a masters in mechanical engineering, and there's no work here for me, because I have no work experience, and the sector is tiny here anyway. I've applied for between 50 and 60 jobs in the last two months, and been rejected for all of them. I've been told I'm overqualified for most unskilled jobs, and that employers aren't looking for someone who's going to feck off as soon as they get a better offer. Plenty of my friends are in the same boat. Not everyone who is forced to claim social welfare is a scrounger.

Never said they were... LTID and TH assumed I did.
15/11/2010, 4:30 PM
Lim till i die

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

Keep finding it hard to believe. It's true in my area with the approx 4000-6000 people I have to deal with on an annual basis. If it's different in Limerick then so be it. I can only comment on what I deal with day-to-day and that's the case.

Don't be such a child. I was only going by my own personal/family experience, you have more experience than me. Fair enough, I bow to your greater knowledge.

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On what basis? You made a statement back it up man.

I think somebodys circumstance should be more relevant than their age when calculating what they're entitled to.

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Do you go out of your way trying to be offended?

By the internetz?? LULZ.

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How can anyone seriously glean from what I wrote that someone who was in college is a scrounger. Or they are a scrounger because they lost their job.

The overall jist of my post is responding to an attitude in a lot of society rather than to you personally, apologies for not making it clear.

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Read what's written. Understand it. then reply. Reactive nonsense make you look silly.

And writing like this makes you look like a complete tit.

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You will also find that if you read what I wrote which was "giving F�S money is dangerous. But let's ignore it's crapness for a second."

You read my post realised I had an honours degree, then probably realised that I could read, so again you could have made the leap that I was speaking in more general terms than just in response to you.

I apologise for not making that clearer once again, your post was just handy because it had some stuff in it I wanted to riff on.

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I also advocated putting more money into education rather than needlessly wasting it on across the board welfare payments which don't achieve anything in the long-term.

Fairly Nuff.

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You're the one who took that giant leap. All of my comments pertaining were clearly relating to the uselessness of the argument that the reduction of JA was regressive.

I don't see how it's fair to someone like me or paedar though??

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There are jobs there for certain sections of society alright.

Where?? I genuinely don't seem them in Limerick.

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Clearly your CWO is not as awesome as the one here.

My CWO is an ignorant, talentless, idiot who to quote another talentless idiot, has just enough education to perform. Having said that, pride would prevent me from tapping the state for a flipping television!!

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How can you equate with what I said to a graduate? For god sake man.

Wasn't talking to you specifically, again general points blah blah.

This is why i rarely post in current affairs, I have to pay too much attention!

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Stop being so easily offended

By words on a screen?? Hasn't happened me in years thankfully.

I'll edit my original post. Meh.
15/11/2010, 5:12 PM
bennocelt

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

My brother completed his leaving cert in June and didn't get the course he wanted so has decided to do a part-time course in psychology and go to work... He has never had a job before and managed to bag himself a job.
So you still telling me there's no work out there? My brother with possibly the worst CV I've ever seen managed to get work. There is work out there for anyone who wants it but you have to go look for it. Tough I know with those 40 hour dole weeks that some people have to do it's tough finding time to job search.

I agree with a lot of what you say but there is actually feck all work out there. We dont all want to work in KFc and the like
500,000 unemployed and all that emigrated would prove this

Also FAS are a joke, has anybody really ever got a decent job out of them?
15/11/2010, 6:58 PM
osarusan

I agree with some of what you say BonnieShels, but the implication of this comment

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Originally Posted by BonnieShels

There is work out there for anyone who wants it but you have to go look for it.

is that there are enough jobs out there for everybody (400,000 jobs? My quick search of FAS (which may be wrong) shows 3663 jobs) and that anybody who doesn't have a job is in that situation by choice. That is clearly preposterous, and pretty insulting to people who are looking for work but can't find any.

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