Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

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29/07/2009, 12:02 PM
Raheny Red

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Originally Posted by harry crumb

The demise of Cork City is on a totally different scale to Dublin City. We have a history and a generation that has grown up with the club. Dublin City was still in its infancy.:(

25 years? So were Cork!
29/07/2009, 12:08 PM
tiktok

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Originally Posted by don ramo

so i asked did FORAS help during the examinership proscess, you said NO

You asked if it was as an official entity to represent the club's interest's. FORAS were not representing the club with the examiner and the High Court. FORAS were an independent, affected third party. So no was the correct answer.

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Originally Posted by don ramo

so what did they say to couglan "best of luck tom, but just to let ya know we dont think your the right man for the job"

No, but no statement said he was the right man either, FORAS always made it clear that the choice was the examiners and FORAS would support and seek to work with whoever he chose.

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Originally Posted by don ramo

you say theyve saved the clubs thousands, asking noting in return, there a Supporters Club, wouldnt be a very good SC if they asked for there money back,

FORAS isn't a supporters club, it's a legally registered industrial and providental society, a not-for-profit limited company with directors bound by Irish Company Law. I wasn't talking about getting money back.

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Originally Posted by don ramo

thats fair enough that they sponsor the team and are printing programs, see i didnt know that, and you bit my head of explaining it, is that how your gonna convince fans to follow a new club if FORAS form one

I apologise for 'biting your head off', can you put it down to frustration with the situation we find ourselves in. You'd made a lot of comments in recent days about what foras is and isn't doing, most of it was inaccurate. If you'd started by asking 'what are Foras doing' rather than stating 'FORAS are doing nothing' you would have gottena friendlier answer.

I see first hand what people are putting into this and it's far from easy, especially when the bulk of it is outside of our control.

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Originally Posted by don ramo

im happy and sad, because i know there were fans who did there best to help, but at the same time you cant expect the club to survive when its being run the way it is, and i feel sorry for the fans cause they have no control over it,

we were lucky enough to keep our club and its history intact, so im fairly happy down here, and if ye do form a new team next year ill look forward to playing ye,

That we can agree on.
29/07/2009, 12:12 PM
oriel

So what is the update on this.

1pm on Wed, which gives CCFC, a full day and half to raise the money.

Is this looking likely ?
29/07/2009, 12:19 PM
Marco

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Originally Posted by don ramo

wow so your supporting an organisaition that has actually contributed NOTING to your club, you club that is now gone,

if they didnt help out during the examinership process (probably the biggest issue in CCFCs History), and they gave no support what to speak of to the club, exactly WTF do they do,

Why would FORAS hand over money that they can put to better use? If they gave this money to Coughlan that would be it for them, at least they are doing what Coughlan should have done himself when he took over and be a little carefull first and like a previous comment done what Drogheda had to do and scale things down. From what I see FORAS were clever not to hand over money they broke their backs to raise when it would be just whittled away and no end result. At least now if the club goes to the A league they will have funds to cover them unlike others.
29/07/2009, 12:30 PM
tippex

The players are due to be paid today afaik.
Has anyone heard if they have been paid.

As I said before the best and only outcome for cork now is for them to be wound up on friday and foras then set-up a new club properly run.

Have Foras been in touch with the FAI about the possibility of doing this?
It is in every clubs best interest that Foras get a sustainable well run club together.
29/07/2009, 12:37 PM
BrayUnknowns

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Originally Posted by Conroy

Bonuse's of �1000 per goal and �500 a clean sheet under the guildance of arkraga.

Saw this myself, so if Doolin's comments are true then i reckon a lot of sympathy will be los for Cork's demise.

Shocking if true, what Irish club has that type of money to pay out on a weekly basis in bonus payments ?
29/07/2009, 12:40 PM
micls

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Originally Posted by tippex

Have Foras been in touch with the FAI about the possibility of doing this?

FORAS have, and are continuing to, explore all the options.

We also have a good relationship with the FAI and are in fairly regular contact
29/07/2009, 12:40 PM
Schumi

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Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns

Saw this myself, so if Doolin's comments are true then i reckon a lot of sympathy will be los for Cork's demise.

I don't think many had sympathy for Coughlan and how the club was being run. People's sympathy is for the fans who have lost their club.
29/07/2009, 12:42 PM
derm

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FORAS isn't a supporters club, it's a legally registered industrial and providental society, a not-for-profit limited company with directors bound by Irish Company Law. I wasn't talking about getting money back.

And may I add that what their reason for being is to build up enough money and experience to enable the fans to one day own and run CCFC. A goal that Coughlan publicly stated he shared but he had very few dealings with Foras when he found out they
weren't going to give him money anytime he wanted it.

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Originally Posted by Marco

Why would FORAS hand over money that they can put to better use? If they gave this money to Coughlan that would be it for them, at least they are doing what Coughlan should have done himself when he took over and be a little carefull first and like a previous comment done what Drogheda had to do and scale things down. From what I see FORAS were clever not to hand over money they broke their backs to raise when it would be just whittled away and no end result. At least now if the club goes to the A league they will have funds to cover them unlike others.

To my knowledge Coughlan did not and has not even contacted Foras about getting money to pay the tax debt. Instead he tried to launched his own initiative by selling shares to allow fans to own the club, no doubt with him as largest shareholder.

I agree though, we should be fighting relegation not fighting for our existence.
29/07/2009, 12:45 PM
derm

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Originally Posted by BrayUnknowns

Saw this myself, so if Doolin's comments are true then i reckon a lot of sympathy will be los for Cork's demise.

Shocking if true, what Irish club has that type of money to pay out on a weekly basis in bonus payments ?

That was under the previous regime, Arkaga. Though no one really knows what system Coughlan has going.

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I don't think many had sympathy for Coughlan and how the club was being run. People's sympathy is for the fans who have lost their club.

Having this hang over you not once but twice in as many seasons really rams home the difference between club and owners. The club is the players, fans, employees, volunteers and even businesses that rely on the club. Most of the criticisms are true, Arkaga and Coughlan ran the club in a totally reckless way and it's not fair on clubs who run themselves properly. But the biggest losers are those who have the least say in how the club is run.
29/07/2009, 12:47 PM
micls

According to our forum, the players were told they are free agents as they werent paid today.
29/07/2009, 12:51 PM
The Betting Man

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Originally Posted by micls

According to our forum, the players were told they are free agents as they werent paid today.

It just gets worse for Cork City fans
29/07/2009, 12:52 PM
The Betting Man

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Originally Posted by oriel

So what is the update on this.

1pm on Wed, which gives CCFC, a full day and half to raise the money.

Is this looking likely ?

There is more chance of Raheny Red being nice to Cork fans then there is off Cork City getting the money they owe
29/07/2009, 12:55 PM
tippex

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Originally Posted by micls

According to our forum, the players were told they are free agents as they werent paid today.

That's really ****e tbh. I'm not surprised if it's true. Feel really sorry for everyone down there.
29/07/2009, 1:00 PM
Mr A

Better for them to be free agents now when they will at least have a chance to find another club.
29/07/2009, 1:00 PM
Mr A

Hartlepool and Ipswich must be feeling pretty stupid about handing over fees right now!
29/07/2009, 1:04 PM
don ramo

so is there game going ahead friday or not, will the players chance getting injured, now that there free agents,
29/07/2009, 1:06 PM
don ramo

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Originally Posted by tiktok

You asked if it was as an official entity to represent the club's interest's. FORAS were not representing the club with the examiner and the High Court. FORAS were an independent, affected third party. So no was the correct answer.

No, but no statement said he was the right man either, FORAS always made it clear that the choice was the examiners and FORAS would support and seek to work with whoever he chose.

FORAS isn't a supporters club, it's a legally registered industrial and providental society, a not-for-profit limited company with directors bound by Irish Company Law. I wasn't talking about getting money back.

I apologise for 'biting your head off', can you put it down to frustration with the situation we find ourselves in. You'd made a lot of comments in recent days about what foras is and isn't doing, most of it was inaccurate. If you'd started by asking 'what are Foras doing' rather than stating 'FORAS are doing nothing' you would have gottena friendlier answer.

I see first hand what people are putting into this and it's far from easy, especially when the bulk of it is outside of our control.

That we can agree on.

fair enough, thanks for clearing that up,
29/07/2009, 1:15 PM
corkharps

Will Tom Coughlan now be banned from being a director of any company for x years?:confused:
29/07/2009, 1:21 PM
The Betting Man

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Originally Posted by corkharps

Will Tom Coughlan now be banned from being a director of any company for x years?:confused:

Think its a 5 year ban he gets

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