Brian Murphy

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Originally Posted by ifk101

If it makes you feel any better he is on his way to Ipswich.

Best of luck to him anyhow.

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I don't care who he is on his way to, the lad is not near ready for international football, thats not to say he isn't up to the standard, but in a big big game like this he would be like a rabbit caught in headlights. Same too for joe murphy.

I saw the games online in europe and i would say based on those performacnes he did quite well in both(possibly in no mans land for Red Bulls goal but apart from that solid) and deserves a call up but he is not ready for international football - yet at least. And, yes I think its great promotion for the LOI that he has got called up, but i also think it shows how badly we need shay given and how much of a loss he will be when he finishes if we dont find a good keeper in the next few years.

What age is murphy 25/26? He needs to be reaching the next level quite soon, though keepers have greater longevity than outfield players.

I hate the way i have to explain everything to the last detail on this site.

ya our back up is so inexpierenced for games like these. fingers crossed given will be grand for both. bit worrying after that.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I saw the games online in europe and i would say based on those performacnes he did quite well in both(possibly in no mans land for Red Bulls goal but apart from that solid) and deserves a call up but he is not ready for international football - yet at least. And, yes I think its great promotion for the LOI that he has got called up, but i also think it shows how badly we need shay given and how much of a loss he will be when he finishes if we dont find a good keeper in the next few years.

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Westwood will be a top keeper in the years to come if he doesn't suffer from injury problems. I can see him in the Premiership next season.

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Originally Posted by Duggie

ya our back up is so inexpierenced for games like these. fingers crossed given will be grand for both. bit worrying after that.

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I wonder will Given ease up on playing friendlies now that he's reached 100 caps? Might give Murphy et al a chance to gain some real experience. The Montenegro game would have been ideal so that, but it was Given's night.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I hate the way i have to explain everything to the last detail on this site.

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Yeah, it's a pain, isn't it?

How dare people ask for explanations when you make a statement that you know is going to annoy people?

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Originally Posted by DeNiro

I wonder will Given ease up on playing friendlies now that he's reached 100 caps? Might give Murphy et al a chance to gain some real experience. The Montenegro game would have been ideal so that, but it was Given's night.

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i doubt it, seems like he wants to play every game for ireland. and why wouldnt he.

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Originally Posted by DeNiro

I wonder will Given ease up on playing friendlies now that he's reached 100 caps? Might give Murphy et al a chance to gain some real experience. The Montenegro game would have been ideal so that, but it was Given's night.

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I think he should be made take a back seat for a few friendlies, we need lads to be able to step in should he ever get injured, plus to eventually replace him.

Having said that Shay is a legend and we badly badly need him to be available for both games.

Jayzus... Can you imagine if Given got booked in the first leg!!!

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Yeah, it's a pain, isn't it?

How dare people ask for explanations when you make a statement that you know is going to annoy people?

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NO, because ive been posting long enough on this forum, that people should know ive made the pionts already. MOst people on this forum have been around for a couple of years.

I said before when watching the games i saw of him for bohs that he pulled off some incredible saves, and said he looked a class keeper. I also said that we don't have much back up in that department, and ive also said that a lot of players making the step up from LOI straight to(without playing a higher league first) International generally failed.

All in all it just seems I have to fully explain one sentence for it to be understood by a certain section, and i end up making the points again and again. Surely that must get annoying for people to read the same stuff again and again - its bad enough what i write once nevermind twice :D

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I don't care who he is on his way to, the lad is not near ready for international football, thats not to say he isn't up to the standard, but in a big big game like this he would be like a rabbit caught in headlights. Same too for joe murphy.

I saw the games online in europe and i would say based on those performacnes he did quite well in both(possibly in no mans land for Red Bulls goal but apart from that solid) and deserves a call up but he is not ready for international football - yet at least. And, yes I think its great promotion for the LOI that he has got called up, but i also think it shows how badly we need shay given and how much of a loss he will be when he finishes if we dont find a good keeper in the next few years.

What age is murphy 25/26? He needs to be reaching the next level quite soon, though keepers have greater longevity than outfield players.

I hate the way i have to explain everything to the last detail on this site.

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Yes we badly need Shay Given as we do a number of other players. Murphy was next in line to get a call up so no need to make a song and dance about it. Anyone who has watched Murphy play know what he is capable of and what his limitations are - nobody has put forward his name as a starter instead of Given for example. You really didn't need to introduce the whole LOI thing - and jump to conclusions.

To make a point, I don't think St Ledger is ready for the international team. Id be worried about the lad in big games like this.

Cue the Championship fans throwing the toys out of the pram there, but I dont think it needs to be explained.

ANd it doesn't you are probably right, but in order to balance the team out more effectively with a good leader like dunne we need him there so we have oshea on the right. Exactly what you infered makes perfect sense, for one and all to understand without delving too deep.

I only said the last sentence because i knew people would come on and start saying !"what do you knwo about LOI, " "Barstooler" etc etc, which usually happens on here when i make a point about any LOI player.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

ANd it doesn't you are probably right, but in order to balance the team out more effectively with a good leader like dunne we need him there so we have oshea on the right. Exactly what you infered makes perfect sense, for one and all to understand without delving too deep.

I only said the last sentence because i knew people would come on and start saying !"what do you knwo about LOI, " "Barstooler" etc etc, which usually happens on here when i make a point about any LOI player.

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You were the one who had to bring up the whole LOI aspect of it so I think any negative reaction you do get to your posts you are looking for.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I only said the last sentence because i knew people would come on and start saying !"what do you knwo about LOI, " "Barstooler" etc etc, which usually happens on here when i make a point about any LOI player.

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Fair enough but a player should be judged on their individual qualities and not what club they play for or league they play in. Too many times in the past players have been overlooked simply because they are LOI players. Murphy deserves his chance but like you, I hope nothing happens to Given simply because he is far and way the best goalie available to us.

IFK i agree with ye...to an extent but that debate has been had enough on here and I dont want to get into it again. we just all agree that given cant get injured. Please god given dont get injured!

It's a positive step for Murphy, and for the LOI, that he was called up instead of going back to Kiely.
Having him in the setup bodes well for the future. However, he's unlikely to play in the play offs (barring injury and/or suspension), so let's just leave it at that?

OK henry ;)

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I'd actually agree with that although he came good again at the end of the season. Maybe not quite a few mistakes but certainly more then last year.

Paddy Kenny must be sick, you'd imagine he'd have been in line for a recall had he not been banned.

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Dropped the ball in to his own net the one time Trap came to watch him and when under pressure against Rovers in the first game in Tallaght gave away a second goal that was some of the worst bit of positioning from a keeper you'll ever see. You'd have to question his bottle, even the way he got so wound up by Dundalk in that Cup game that he loafed a Dundalk player after the final whistle. Hopefully Shay stays fit/injury free and we don't have to see how he stands up under the weight of an entire nation's expectations!

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Dropped the ball in to his own net the one time Trap came to watch him and when under pressure against Rovers in the first game in Tallaght gave away a second goal that was some of the worst bit of positioning from a keeper you'll ever see. You'd have to question his bottle, even the way he got so wound up by Dundalk in that Cup game that he loafed a Dundalk player after the final whistle. Hopefully Shay stays fit/injury free and we don't have to see how he stands up under the weight of an entire nation's expectations!

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A simple well done Brian would have been fine...

Deserved call up. Better late than never.

http://www.itfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetai...868596,00.html

I see Roy must have been fairly impressed by him to.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

Yes we badly need Shay Given as we do a number of other players. Murphy was next in line to get a call up so no need to make a song and dance about it. Anyone who has watched Murphy play know what he is capable of and what his limitations are - nobody has put forward his name as a starter instead of Given for example. You really didn't need to introduce the whole LOI thing - and jump to conclusions.

To make a point, I don't think St Ledger is ready for the international team. Id be worried about the lad in big games like this.

Cue the Championship fans throwing the toys out of the pram there, but I dont think it needs to be explained.

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Disagree, St Ledger (who is the only player in the starting eleven to play in the Championship) has looked very comfortable at International level and will only get better.

Showed away in Bulgaria, Cyprus away and Italy at home that he has the ability and character to do well in big important games.

As for Murphy, good luck to him, unless he is given a chance how will we know if he can make the step up.