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By the way, here is a diagram of the voting patterns of the groups in the EP 2004-2009:
http://i497.photobucket.com/albums/r...EUpatterns.jpg
I can only assume the outlying EPP-ED group to the bottom right are British Conservatives - who will leave the grouping following this election.
Like I said, we have to weigh up each candidates advantages and disadvantages. When I balance her skills as an articulate speaker against other politicians' opposition to blowing people up, my scales tip a particular way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
All this is just a nice way of saying..............."I will vote for FF":rolleyes:
Ever hear of a protest vote? - obviously not - go on be a good lad and vote for FF, or FF lite (Fg) or even the Labour party that appeals to all except common sense.
The Euro vote is not different at all - it could have a serious affect on Cowen and his continuing in power
And correct me if I am wrong but most of todays parties were decendent from the 1916 and all that - so any ideas of the past is just talking rubbish
As for me - i would even vote FG ahead of FF - eeeggghhh, shiver:eek:
No matter what - we will never get rid of the status quo - Irish people are too dumb for democracy
I have always seen her as an air head. She would one of the last Shinners I would vote for if had a gun to my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
Would you really vote for her if someone had a gun to your head? Are you suggesting SF hasn’t given up the gun? Oh sorry they never had it:rolleyes:. She's the new D4 (Castleknock i know) acceptable face/voice of SF. The unionists in the north must be looking on at all the parties here saying they'd never go into government with SF in bewilderment. I don't like them or trust them, but the way "Inda" & the greens have being carrying on the last few days is a joke. They are just as legitimate as the stickies of Labour. Ah yes, Sinn Fein the workers party have complete control of the Labour party now.Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
Military issues don't even need to come into the decision as I would vote for far left SF policies such that they even have policies these days. In the last GE they adopted the low corporation tax policy of all the other mainstream parties but I don't for one minute believe they really agree with that. They don't have any policies as everything is to "create an Ireland of equals" & no specifics.
With respect, that's comparing an apple with an ...erm, orange.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Outside the loopers in the so-called TUV who seem to want a return to good old fashioned majority rule and all that went with it there is a de facto acceptance pretty much everywhere else in Unionism that the price of having a nice, stable cleaved off canton to call ones own is not only going into government with Sinn Fein but sharing power with them. To be blunt -they ordered s**t and are now tucking in.
There is no such pressure on any political body down here and effectively they can have a higher bar. Hence if, say, Jacky Healy Rae announced he regretted the murder of a garda by members of the IRA (who were on an unsanctioned personal earner rather than "active service" incidently) but couldn't bring himself to condenm it then the government couldn't and wouldn't accept his support.
The NI government is like Dublin City council. AFAIK it doesn't raise much of any taxes & just has limited scope to spend their sub from the British government. I think its just a means of buying off politicians up there. If they don't agree toi "govern" together they don't get paid.
It cannot be equated to the formation of a government in the ROI with SF.
Well - we had the Euro Elections here today (as I'm in the UK)
Had great pleasure going into the polling booth - and not putting an "X" next to the entry which read "Libertas".
Felt quite good tbh
so did u vote for the BNP then?:p
popular enuff around here in east london - but then Millwall are the local team:)
Its got **** all to do with having a nice litle canton to ones own but rather preventing generations of working class Irish youth from cutting the **** out of each other. Ar*ehole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Which is why I put the word STABLE in italics AR. But there, I've put it in caps and bold for you now as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnaghRed
:rolleyes:
Why not shove it up your ass while you're at it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Annagh, you seem determined to be offended, to say little of infracted or banned for personalised abuse and flaming. So please, have a cocoa, go to bed and call back tomorrow if you'd like to discuss this and offer opions in a more adult manner.
night, night.
Offended is right. I lost family and friends to "Sinn Fein" but i'd vote for them tomorrow if it stopped another pointless death. **** all to do with a cosy little NI.
Okay ...hold the horses. Why do I get the impression you think I'm a Sinn Fein supporter?Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnaghRed
Like yourself, if I lived in NI, I'd possibly vote for them (though it'd gall me to do so) if I thought it'd save life by creating a more stable political environment. What I was pointing out is that there is relatively little such imperative to include them down here on this side of the border.
That, from my perspective, is just the political reality -and one which the likes of the TUV wish to ignore.
I dont know where your allegiance lies, neither do I care. But i do object to you intimating that unionists, such as myself, who voted pro-GFA and accepted SF in government, did so for any other reason than to stop the slaughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
I think unionists are used to it by now- southern parties have been saying it for decades, after all. It's widely regarded as a hypocritical attitude by FF, FG etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ringo
Indeed- little mention of cutting CT in this recent detailed statement by Mary Lou McDonald:Quote:
Originally Posted by pete
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/16451
Orange and lemon would be a better analogy. They're not distant countries knowing little of one another, but next door neighbors with the same party standing in both :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lionel Ritchie
Opposing forced coalition with paramilitarism isn't 'loopy' per se. Traditional Unionist Voice seems an accurate enough name for what the party represents- it's certainly no odder than 'Ourselves', 'Labour', 'Soliders of Destiny', 'Conservative', or 'Gaelic Legions'...Quote:
Outside the loopers in the so-called TUV
TUV is not opposed to shared local government with nationalists.Quote:
who seem to want a return to good old fashioned majority rule
A nice, non-provocative term, that.Quote:
a nice, stable cleaved off canton to call ones own
Or alternatively, they lived with paramilitaries murdering thousands over decades, and don't want the paramilitaries' political wing in government until they, er, dissociate from paramilitarism?Quote:
To be blunt -they ordered s**t and are now tucking in
Pressure on political parties in the Republic is arguably as great now as at any time since 1921- economic catastrophe, collapse of tax income, vast unemployment and the rest. Compared to all that, whether or not Cowen or Kenny end up having to cosy with Mary Lou in Dail Eireann is relatively small beer. But, like I said, getting all high and mighty about it is hypocritical.Quote:
There is no such pressure on any political body down here and effectively they can have a higher bar
I'm failing to see where what you're saying here differs from my intimations.Quote:
Originally Posted by AnnaghRed
NI was inherently unstable and racked by sectarian violence (which sadly hasn't gone away but is much diminished).
NI then voted for and got the powersharing executive and, though it sometimes seems to lurch from one crisis to the next, is undeniably more stable and more peaceful than was hitherto the case.
Stopping the slaughter and creating a stable, bedded in powersharing administration are inherently linked in NI. One facilitated the other.
Meanwhile, back to the election campaign...
Will Joe Higgins win the last seat in Dublin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2paLzGtQ8Fg