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Probably not. He's just come on.
Is he wearing a poppy?
I'm not watching, so not sure. I'd be surprised if so, but there's no storm on Twitter yet...
Anyhow, Ross McCormack's just after getting sent off after an altercation with him. James got booked.
Just been watching a bit of the Football League Show and I don't think any side in the Championship had poppies on their jerseys last weekend. I'm sure this weekend will be a different matter though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks
Teams playing at home last weekend and away this weekend had a minutes silence before their games to remember members in the armed forces associated with their clubs but not many wore poppies. This weekend all clubs will wear poppies and have an minute silence before their matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Poppy season comes around too quickly.
You'll have a chance to see for yourself if James wears a poppy as Wigan are live on Sky tomorrow night away to Bolton. Don't be at all surprised if James doesn't feature as he was withdrawn on 68 mins last Tuesday night (maybe a re-occurence of the dead leg that ruled him out of Wigan team this time last year :rolleyes:)!!!. Rosler has been using a rotational policy all season that seemingly is infuriating Wigan fans and there is a feeling Rosler may be gone if Wigan lose tomorrow night (you heard it here first!!!!!)
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Originally Posted by Roberto
NEIL LENNON JAMES McCLEAN
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POPPY WARS
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A Poppy Film Archives Production
We're eternally damned, poppy season never dies
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He has gone up in my estimation. Fair play to him.I'm sure he got help writing it but fair play to him. I have a lot of respect for him
The sentiment is as clear as day there. No one could disparage that. Fair play James.
Good letter, good explanation, good man James.
You wanna bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Paul tried.Quote:
Originally Posted by backtowalsall
Here's what's being said on vital:http://www.wigan.vitalfootball.co.uk...=26900&posts=8
They respect him cos he is one of their own players.what about who they played tonight how did they react?and other teams fans in the same division?
Got an assist tonight. Got booed every time he touched the ball too.
The letter seems to have gone down pretty well in the media from what I can see.
You will always get a few negative comments and boos from the opposition but overall it was a good idea,
even people who disagree with him seem on the whole to respect his decision.
Fair play to him. He's a brave boy and I admire his willingness to stick his neck out.
It's a sorry state of affairs when a player feels compelled to release a public statement "explaining himself" for the absence of a political symbol on his football jersey. In saying that, fair play to James for this unfortunately necessary but positive gesture and for yet again standing up to what has come to be known as "poppy fascism". Are others who might personally feel similar as brave and principled? He has often been mocked by his bitter detractors as immature, brash and even thick, but that letter is exceptionally graceful, respectful and considerate (of his club, his fans, those killed at war as well as during the Troubles, and his own community). With eloquence, intelligence and maturity, it offers as complete and thorough an explanation as should be necessary for those who still feel that non-poppy wearers should have to explain themselves for making what ought to be no more than a simple personal decision in a modern democratic society. To be honest, I found his words quite moving. It's lovely to hear a footballer speak so forthrightly and positively about what he believes in for a change. I have a great admiration for James' spirit and attitude anyway, but my respect has only grown for him this evening. Good man, James!
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The likes of Cody Lachey and Jamie Bryson having a go at him again, as you'd expect.
Poor Lachey obviously struggles deeply with irony:
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Originally Posted by Cody Lachey
It's things like that that make me kind of glad we don't have a united Ireland, and feel sorry for those of you stranded without a paddle.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
And this from This Northern Soul:http://thisnorthernsoul.co.uk/forum/...y-shirt.85839/
For somebody who is steadfast in his refusal to wear the poppy, he's joined precisely the wrong clubs to do it. He'd be much better off in London. Still, credit due to James and Dave Whelan for addressing it publicly rather than sweeping it under the carpet. Clearly it's a matter very close to Whelan's own heart too.
But the aneurysm that the likes of Bwyson, Lachey and Frazer would get from a united Ireland would be worth everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Even more than any of my deeply held Nationalist beliefs.
It would be fun for a while but then we'd have to live with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Ah they'd assimilate or **** off back to Scotland.
Remember the whole chats in history about the Normans becoming more Irish than the Irish themselves. It could happen again. With you know, some delusional Irish guys.
The Jamies becoming more Irish than the Irish? Can't see it. They're too thick.
Who cares? Never be worse than the morons who started the problem...
Finally James has issued statement which explains his position. While it is of no shock to those who know his situation, it might stop the criticism from at least those educated enough to listen. I know Danny you vehemently disagree with me, but I feel if this statement had been released two years ago, idiots like Bryson may not have been able to continue to create political mileage out of it. Also, I feel his statement is clear and simple and shows respect for all affected by war.
By the way, this would have been a prepared statement by PR people. footballers would not be trusted to do it themselves!
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-30728095.html
Nicely put danny. i agree entirely with your post. I have alot of respect for james mc clean following this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
But do you reckon he even wrote it? And still being slagged elsewhere by unionist gimps and other fools...
No way did he write it even with the Mr whelan for authenticity. Still though the thought process was there.
You'd like to think so, but the media annd crediting both McClean & Whelan rather too much. Plus they still get slated by the usual morons...
There's no doubt he got a bit of help, but what's wrong with that? Doesn't even Barack Obama get assistance with conveying particular messages in his speeches? And then commended or lambasted for his words? I often have people proof-read stuff I'd write myself if I was thinking of publishing it or whatever. What is important is that he released a message of which he can be proud and by which he can stand without feeling of shame. They're words from his heart. The statement conveys James' thoughts on the matter and leaves no room for doubt. He's not as stupid as people think either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
A good few seasons back, I was heading to a Derry match away to Shels in Tolka and, on the supporters bus down, ended up sitting beside a civil young lad from Creggan whom I didn't know and who was telling me he was playing for Institute at the time. He didn't drink at all; wouldn't even take one of my cans! Obviously we chatted away for the four hours down and back. I always remembered the fella because he left a mark with me and I'd always say "alright" to him any time I saw him about Derry after that. He seemed to have taken something from the conversation as well and was interested in what I'd had to say. It only dawned upon me a few years later when he started making a name for himself in the League of Ireland that it had been James I'd been sat beside on the bus. Even back then, he had struck me as very focused, driven and disciplined. Those qualities require intelligence too.
Heh, fair enough Danny, nice story, you Doire boys on the ball as ever.
The hidden message in Danny's story is that civility in the Creggan is an almost unknown commodity.
My opinion hasn't altered about James, I had respected his opinion and moral courage over this issue. The (now) open published letter has taken it a step forward to explain his actions in more detail and the letter shall remain as a reference in any debate. It doesn't matter that much that he will still be the target for ignorance and hostility, but he should have garnered a good deal more respect for his actions and have fewer commentators and fans telling him how to act and behave, according to their beliefs.
I though it had gone down quite quietly in the press however he is on the from page of the Daily Mail today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-shirt.html
However the vast majority respect his decision so it was a good move on his part.
The usual suspects, the Telegraph and Daily Mail, are making out there's some major controversy here. Has he really sparked a national fury?... No. Meanwhile, everyone else in the real world, or those with an ounce of human understanding, acknowledge that this shouldn't be such a big deal; that he is being entirely reasonable in his courage and fortitude.
Ah, they get mileage out of it even now. They'll always be out seeking to be offended by whoever's not conforming to their world-view. If it's not James, it'll be someone else they're condemning. It's how their fragile, validation-deprived egos operate. It doesn't matter what James does, so long as he sticks to his principles, as is his civic right. I mean, there should never be an obligation upon someone to explain their stance on something personal like this to uncompromising dolts of whose business it is absolutely none anyway. It would be wrong to consider this a "better late than never" statement on James' part; he never should have had to feel the need to release such a statement in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by gastric
Oddly (or maybe not... he is a peculiar character), Lachey appears to have re-setup his Twitter within the past few days in preparation for this, presumably so he can, once again, leech off the back of the potential attention. Although, he did make sure to first rather desperately tweet virtually every mention he could find of himself in the media, both positive and negative, over the last few years, or ever. It's all publicity, isn't it?... How can James be liable for such unsettled behaviour?
It's there. It might be somewhat concealed under the oppressive, paranoiac and Troubled smog of the legacy of decades of surveillance and social deprivation, but it is there alright. Maybe it's unknown because people just don't want to know about it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
What, we already have them down here, they tend to wear blue shirts, ha ha:pQuote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels