They should, but there will be a First Division spot available as Bray (most likely) would get the Premier Division spot from Cork City and that will leave 11 First Division teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
The other thing they could do is reduce the First Division to 10 teams and start Derry and Cork (Foras) in the A Championship!!
Case adjourned for 2 weeks.
If Cork City in it's current guise is thrown out of the league, then two slots in the league will be available {Derry's slot is currently available]. No club from the A championship has qualified for these slots through the promotion criteria so the final place could [should?] be decided based on applications to the league and governed by licencing. If the FORAS application was to meet the 1st division criteria, they should certainly be considered alongside any other applicants.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Blame the FAI for looking to create the precedent with Derry.
Id have nothing against Cork in First Division just thought the Deadline to apply has gone or have FORAS applied already?
FORAS have applied for a licence, members voted on it last October.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Payment deadlines missed,no tax cert's and not even having the licence application in on time mean that if they were to be given a licence we should all just pack up and go home.Any shread of credibility the league has would be gone.I've still not bought a season ticket for this coming season.Still waiting to see what happen's with Cork.If they are playing in the premier league this coming season then i cant justify giving the league money by buying a ticket.My heart wants to renew my season ticket for my 13th season but my head says why support a corrupt league if Cork get away with everything thats happened?
If they didn't submit a licence application, then surely they're automatically out of the Premier. Case closed, regardless of not meeting requirements etc. But if they didn't submit a licence application, does that rule them out of the 1st and A?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
As for FORAS, why shouldn't they simply slip into the 1st Division, with solid finance I am 100% sure the 6 players who've been treated so badly will sign on for the challenge and within 3-4 years the club will be challenging for a spot in Europe.
Meanwhile the CCFC name will slip away, along with Tommy Boy, Rod and their cohorts.
so now tom has the best of both worlds and does not have to pay revenue until he knows the outcome of licensingQuote:
Originally Posted by razor
Cobh's wasn't complete (I think Padraig Smith said no financial documents at all), and they got to play in the A Championship. It would be silly for the rules not to give the committee that much scope to apply their own judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecountyman
In fairness, the Revenue have only one responsibility*, which is to press for the course of action that gives them the best chance of getting the most money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
The footballing consequences are only a means to an end from the Revenue's perspective.
*Ignoring that they have a moral hazard responsibility to ensure thay they are seen to be tough on defaulters, as lets face it, they don't have any credibility in this regard.
I wouldn't be so sure about thatQuote:
Originally Posted by weecountyman
Foras applied for an A Championship licence but afaik they were advised by the FAI to upgrade this application to a 1st Division licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
I firmly believe that TNB will not be involved in a LoI club when the league starts, I think the FAI will do whatever it can to make sure this happens. Even better, so will Tom, because at this stage it would take an almighty fudge to give the club any licence. If the takeover bid fails then so will the attempt to get a licence but Foras's application would succeed. If Coughlan steps down then there's a good chance that City will stay in the prem. Personally, I'd prefer if Europe was taken off us in this scenario, both as a sanction (and warning to other clubs) but also to allow the club get its house in order without the distraction that Europe offers.
I wouldn't be so sure about that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by derm
In effect could Cork City be wound up as a club due to the Revenue situation? If that were the case then it is out of FAI hands currently.
The revenue can wind up Cork City Investments FC Ltd., the holding company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrufil
The club trading names, Cork City FC and Cork City Football Club issued through the CRO would then become the property of the court appointed liquidator who would be charged with achieving the best price for them. The membership of the FAI is, I'd imagine, not an asset and could not be sold on. The Club crest and Rebel Army Logo, specifically the one on merchandise, not the name, are also believed to be saleable assets [not ones that would raise much cash I'd think]. Player contracts are also assets that could be sold on by the liquidator as are leases if any exist.
It would be pretty much out of the FAI's hands, but even in liquidation there's a spider's web of possible outcomes e.g. someone can approach the liquidator and committ to covering all of the debts of the company, in which case the holding company and it's assets may be resurrected, but the licencing rules are clear that this sort fo transfer of ownership can only happen in the off season and can only be sanctioned if all of the debts are cleared, so the new owners [in much the same way as new purchasers now] would still be reliant on the quality of Tom Coughlan's licence application and the willingness of the FAI to fudge.
In the event of Cork City Investments FC Limited being wound up, best case scenario FORAS have a licence application lodged [Fran Gavin and John Delaney have both complimented it as professional in recent weeks, but that might just be turning the heat up on Tom Coughlan as if to say "we have a back-up Tommy, you should sell] and if FORAS meet the criteria of A championship/1st division etc. it's up to the Licencing committee and FAI to find a place for that club. You'd expect that FORAS would start speaking with the liquidator about the options of buying the name very quickly [also, since they would be the only licence holder, they are the only people who can make any use of the trading name of a football club, at least until 2011]. I think anyone who would bid against them for the name would be 'unpopular' among Cork CIty supporters. If FORAS can get a team going, but the CLub name from the liquidator, buy/transfer membership of the club from the FAI [it's pretty much what new Derry are doing, though Cork City's chairman is less inclined to hand the name over] then Cork City FC is back competing after a brief blip.
Huge battle and undertaking ahead of people if that's the case, but with a reported membership of upwards of 400 and the expectation of at least some goodwill from the community over at least the first season, you'd hope it could be at least an improvement on recent years. Long way back, especially if startng again in the A championship, but while it's no-one's first preference, I think people are ready to start again, square one and do it properly this time, without Hedge funds and property developers with no interest in football screwing it up for an entire support base.
Amen to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Couldnt agree more. Would rather that in the First Division rather then staying in the Premier with some mysterious benefactor. Had enough of that ****e to last me a lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Posted on facebook this morning
Tommy and Roddy conflict
same here but I'm not sure if people realise the amount of work involved in running a club. It will take a huge effort from all FORAS members and not just those on the FORAS board of management.Quote:
Originally Posted by HammerNThongs
Cheers tictok! I didn't expect such a detailed answer, but it does give a clear picture of how difficult a situation Cork City is in. Even though it is up to the court, with this saga it is anybody's guess as to the next twist or turn that will happen. I just hope there's not another 'Derry City' lurking on the outside that manages to overtake Cork on the post and out of the blue we find someone nobody has mentioned yet refused a licence.
Where to start.......
Players were suspended and then PFAI told them due process hadn't been followed so they trained.
They're training a day when they get registered letters confirming their suspensions, except the clubs didn't know the addresses of 3 of the 6 so couldn't send the letters. Dan Connor roumoured to be up to an 8 week ban, the day after his loan move to Darlington was blocked because we were short of cover in the position. Then the Club supplied kit was rumoured to have been taken from the players.
Then to cap it all, Roddy and Pals investment rumours are rife!
I'm not sure I can take this anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
You probably wouldn't like Lost either.Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
Why was Dan Connor stopped from moving? Surely his contract is void at this stage?
I was called an attention seeker when I posted a link and article about this, Roddy does the same everywhere. He first caught TNB by telling him he would bring in 200k investment from Russian backers who fell in love with him in Malta. They went public in Malta and showed him for the spoofer he is. Then he tried to drag in John O'Connor but he backed away when he saw it was a 3-card trick. Now he's trying again and Tom is delighted to have all this going on. The club are treating the players with total disrespect but as someone else posted earlier in the thread (on Roddy's now infamous appearance on Newstalk off the ball, the one he slandered Floriana and apologised for) when he made a big deal over Maltese players not being paid up to date (when he knew they were paid quarterly - he said they were 3months without pay) and then when a texter said, what about the players in Cork, he answered, "That's no my concern, if they want to play they play. The club's the most important thing."Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
Has to be yeah. Maybe he thinks he won't get the money he's owed if he moves. I've a feeling he won't be gettting it anyway. He's better off moving and suing for the wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
City fans are pretty much assuming that is the main reason why none of the "contracted" fellas have left yet. There must be a fair whack of money owed to justify hanging around and not just going somewhere where a wage is guaranteed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Frightening when you consider that if the club gets liquidated, I dont think they'll get that much if any of it.
He knocked on the doors of several Irish League clubs in the past with similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecountyman
I assume the statement released by the FAI about the club who missed a deadline is ourselves, given comments in the Media last week by the Club's general manager that they were unlikely to meet the deadline for submission.
The Club has now missed all three deadlines to address outstanding wages to players and staff [Nov 15th, Dec 21st, Jan 29th]
The Club now seem to have missed a deadline and extended deadlinefor the submission of financial details [Jan 29th, Feb 3rd]
Right now the holding company has a €115,000 Revenue bill to prevent being wound up on Feb 12th.
Right now the club has a reported €150,000+ back pay committment to prevent losing a licence on Feb 12th.
The only place that level of money is going to come from is a takeover at this stage, will it happen by Feb 11th?
If not, the licence decision won't even need to be made because the company will be wound up.
Even after a takeover, how many other creditors and directors loans are hanging around in the background unseen!!!!
€100,000? €250,000? €500,000? €1,000,000?
Who knows, and he who knows, how well has he hidden it?
I suspect this is an element in players remaining at Cork. Also given the current economic climate there is no way that they will match the contracts they have with Cork.Quote:
Originally Posted by HammerNThongs
Looks like Dan Murray has finally lost patience and signed for Shamrock Rovers.
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Originally Posted by razor
where did you hear this razor?
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Originally Posted by Martinho II
it's been mentioned on local radio here in Cork and also posted on ccfc forum.
I got a text off a very trustworthy source :DQuote:
Originally Posted by yiddo
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php...5.165119324..1
http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/g...5.165119324..1
I found these on a Maltese forum with a plea to join both. And then I thought, well I reckon CCFC are the most famous/infamous club from Ireland right now - sorry Rovers fans of whatever persuasion (love between the east and west coast). Only in Ireland!
Cork City and Dan Murray have cancelled his contract by "mutual consent" [he's admitted on local radio here he didn't want to kleave, he's been forced out].
He's doing a medical at Shamrock Rovers this morning, expected to sign later on.
The last couple of years have been tough as a City fan, in Dan Murray we had a man who led by example through it all, on and off the pitch. He recently got voted our player of the decade in an online poll and he's widely recognised as the best captain our club has had. There are so few embers of our club left glowing right now it's almost unbearable, Roddy Collins forcing Dan Murray out of the club [and dion't let anyone else tell you otherwise] extinguishes a few more.
In this action, Collins has managed to pack his suitcases for his own exit before he has even managed a competitive match.
We'll get rid of Coughlan shortly, you're next against the wall Roddy, make no mistake, you ****ing ****!
So do Cork actually have any players left?
Assuming that the likes of O'Callaghan can't sign because of the transfer embargo.
during all the difficulties Cork have gone through Dan Murray remained loyal to the club (when he did have offers to leave) and if true that he is forced out it is a new low (something I didn't think possible) for TC's Cork City. A big loss to Cork City both as a player and as a team leader. Still they have Roddy's "inspiration"............Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
why the ***** don't the FAI clarify the position ? It really is beyond a joke at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rory H
This is a really depressing situation. The scariest thing of all is that Tom will get a licence, and even then the new owners will come in, accept the bluster and in June Cork are looking for a new boss and in all sorts of trouble. I hope FORAS can make it happen (ie get a licence and take over as Cork's club!).Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok