Mayo Association Football League

In general I think clubs need to be more collective when it comes to issues that they do not agree with. It well noted most people who attend meetings do so to avoid fines.
I think in general the M.l. runs a tight ship, they need to take into account that the country is in a down turn. Clubs are struggling more now than ever before.
The Ml. need to remember with out its clubs, there would be know need for them. At the end of the day, its you the club who elects them. If you don't like what you see ,you have the right to vote them out. OR CALL FOR NO CONFIDENCE VOTE

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Originally Posted by renovater

In general I think clubs need to be more collective when it comes to issues that they do not agree with. It well noted most people who attend meetings do so to avoid fines.
I think in general the M.l. runs a tight ship, they need to take into account that the country is in a down turn. Clubs are struggling more now than ever before.
The Ml. need to remember with out its clubs, there would be know need for them. At the end of the day, its you the club who elects them. If you don't like what you see ,you have the right to vote them out. OR CALL FOR NO CONFIDENCE VOTE

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None of you have the ability to change the mayo league over night, just get on with it, talk football not ***

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Originally Posted by Fair Play

I think you have lost this debate, and spot kick is correct. You should stop digging a hole for yourself and leave the matter rest. These courses are required on an ongoing basis whether they are compulsary or not. You are living in the past with your thoughts. Is it not a requiremnt for all clubs within the Mayo league to have qualified coaches within their clubs? If it was left up to a club on a voluntary basis, would they comply?

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Talk about patronising (again). How come with all these courses we are still seeing a drop in standard within the league. If anything these courses should be compulsary for all youth coaches in the league. By the way this is something I think the league has done an excellent job in the last 10 yrs, but you cannot force clubs to do them. The proof of the benefits of these courses should be in the progress of clubs that have of availed of them.

Any one Know when the chadwicks Cup draw is ??

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Originally Posted by pixiehead

Any one Know when the chadwicks Cup draw is ??

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Anyone know when the League cup Draw's are to be made? Supposed to be live on mid west this year i heard

I wasn't referring to me I was speaking collectively. if you are satisfied with the status quo, thats OK. but there appears to be a lot of unhappy chap pies out there.I personally couldn't careless who runs the league or how they ml conduct there business. but others do

Viva la revolution!!

Have been following the posts on this thread with interest since I posted last week and have a few questions.

Spot kick, you state that people actively involved in football want these courses and managers want these courses run, if so, why is there a need to threaten clubs with disciplinary action if they dont attend?, seems to be a contradiction there, we want courses but we must be forced into doing them.
On your other point about more aspects to football other that playing, I have attended most courses run by the Mayo League over the last 10 years, from volunteering, fundraising, groundskeeping to different levels of coaching ones, and found them excellent. I dont think anyone is suggesting that there should be no courses, but its the dictatorial nature of the league that is annoying people.

In relation to people enjoying the course, I have no doubt having done courses with Niall Harrison in the past that it was an excellent experience. But you dont mention at what level these people are involved in within their clubs.
I have spoken to two clubs who told me they sent people purely to avoid the fine. This doesn't mean they didnt enjoy the course but what improvements will this bring to their respective clubs?

On another note our RDO, Paul Byrne was unaware of the directive from the league regarding the workshop, in fairness he only wants people there who are interesred in going.

Fair Play, not sure how you can say the debate is lost as from reading the posts more people seem to be of the opinion that the decree from the league was wrong. You are right to say that all clubs have to have qualified coaches but the course at the weekend was a workshop and was not a requirement towards a coaching qualification. As for agreeing with spotkick, you ask would clubs comply if it was voluntary, the basis of his/her argument is that clubs want these courses.

The ML run a tight ship and it needs to, we dont want to go back to the old days, but I do think that alot of what goes on is for the perception that we are a progressive league to the world looking in. There are alot more problems going on that need to be addressed rather that scoreboards, press boxes and stewards at matches.
Am I right when I heard a Super League team travelled to an away game last Sunday with the bare 11 players?
Should the league be looking at why there is an alarming drop in the number of players in the league, as seen by the withdrawl of teams? Has the ML met up with any of these clubs to find out what the problems are?


It has been mentioned that there has been a drop in the standard of football what do people think?

Mayo football has made huge strides over the last 10 to 12 years but I think we now find ourselves at a crossroads, alot of good football people are getting disillusioned with the state of the game and are feeling ostracized.
Its right to say we wont change the ML overnight but they need to realise we are in changed times, its going to get harder to get people to be involved.

We need to ask ourselves are we involved to promote the game of football or to feed egos.
Have we lost the focus of our objectives?

Apologies to Goodfootball if the above is seen to be talking *** but this is a discussion forum and by its nature is about debate which can lead to some *** being talked, thats the beauty of freedom of speech.

Okay now let me put my tin hat on and wait for the snipers!!!:D

No issue with any of your opinions or comments Redkenrover, and I accept your point of view on the "dictatorial" means of having the courses etc. I suppose as one other posters mentioned, the only answer might be for others to put themselves forward on to the ML and see if they can do better than the people that are there. Looking at the numbers, some are there a long time and maybe there is an element of staleness or maybe complacency, but I do not se it as an "ego trip". Looking at the numbers also, I notice that there only two people on the league that did not come from the clubs. Maybe time as somebody else said to "put up, or us all to shut up". There I will let the matter rest, as I do not wish to offend anyone.

I believe the sports park surface was beyond a joke on sunday but hey...whats important is the introduction of scoreboards and press boxes!!! :smirk:

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Originally Posted by Redkenrover

Okay now let me put my tin hat on and wait for the snipers!!!:D

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Here, ill lend you mine rover :soldier:

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Originally Posted by GoodFootball

None of you have the ability to change the mayo league over night, just get on with it, talk football not ***

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wait till you have youre own facilities GF you will understand then

I think that the root of the problem is that the game at a national level has suffered and has now filtered down to grass root level. Our national team has struggled in the last five to six years and failed to qualify for a major tournament. Our youths teams have also been on a landslide since the Brian kerr era. This all has a knock on effect in that the young lads from the bleak years are now the young adults who should be playing the game. The league of Ireland has become a complete shambles and their clubs are now having to go back to basics just to survive. I won't even go into the impact of recession!
Rugby and to a lesser extent have surpassed soccer as the popular game The fact is that the Mayo league and clubs made major strides (facility wise) in the 'good times',while other leagues, and other sporting codes, sat back (and counted the euros in their bank account) and did not invested in facilities and the grass roots of thier sport.
The Mayo league and clubs have set the standard and are now finding it difficult to maintain it. I belive this cycle will evolve again, and only when our national team progresses to a World cup or Euro finals stage will we start to see a return on the popularity stakes !

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Originally Posted by pixiehead

wait till you have youre own facilities GF you will understand then

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When we get our own facilities I will then be on here then debating undebatable points with ye, I promise ;)

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Originally Posted by Ranger

I think that the root of the problem is that the game at a national level has suffered and has now filtered down to grass root level. Our national team has struggled in the last five to six years and failed to qualify for a major tournament. Our youths teams have also been on a landslide since the Brian kerr era. This all has a knock on effect in that the young lads from the bleak years are now the young adults who should be playing the game. The league of Ireland has become a complete shambles and their clubs are now having to go back to basics just to survive. I won't even go into the impact of recession!
Rugby and to a lesser extent have surpassed soccer as the popular game The fact is that the Mayo league and clubs made major strides (facility wise) in the 'good times',while other leagues, and other sporting codes, sat back (and counted the euros in their bank account) and did not invested in facilities and the grass roots of thier sport.
The Mayo league and clubs have set the standard and are now finding it difficult to maintain it. I belive this cycle will evolve again, and only when our national team progresses to a World cup or Euro finals stage will we start to see a return on the popularity stakes !

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Untill we stop relying on England to develop our players and relying on the ones that cant make their national team to join ours we will always be in this quagmire!

Not necessariy, In Big Jacks era we 'found' a few gems and this started the upsurge for the FAI. The country as a whole finally bought into it and the rest is history!!

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Originally Posted by pixiehead

Untill we stop relying on England to develop our players and relying on the ones that cant make their national team to join ours we will always be in this quagmire!

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Originally Posted by pixiehead

Here, ill lend you mine rover :soldier:

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You keep that Pixiehead, you'll need it when the Bit 'o' Red come to Terryland claiming 3 points!!:p

Here here

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Originally Posted by Redkenrover

Viva la revolution!!

Have been following the posts on this thread with interest since I posted last week and have a few questions.

Spot kick, you state that people actively involved in football want these courses and managers want these courses run, if so, why is there a need to threaten clubs with disciplinary action if they dont attend?, seems to be a contradiction there, we want courses but we must be forced into doing them.
On your other point about more aspects to football other that playing, I have attended most courses run by the Mayo League over the last 10 years, from volunteering, fundraising, groundskeeping to different levels of coaching ones, and found them excellent. I dont think anyone is suggesting that there should be no courses, but its the dictatorial nature of the league that is annoying people.

In relation to people enjoying the course, I have no doubt having done courses with Niall Harrison in the past that it was an excellent experience. But you dont mention at what level these people are involved in within their clubs.
I have spoken to two clubs who told me they sent people purely to avoid the fine. This doesn't mean they didnt enjoy the course but what improvements will this bring to their respective clubs?

On another note our RDO, Paul Byrne was unaware of the directive from the league regarding the workshop, in fairness he only wants people there who are interesred in going.

Fair Play, not sure how you can say the debate is lost as from reading the posts more people seem to be of the opinion that the decree from the league was wrong. You are right to say that all clubs have to have qualified coaches but the course at the weekend was a workshop and was not a requirement towards a coaching qualification. As for agreeing with spotkick, you ask would clubs comply if it was voluntary, the basis of his/her argument is that clubs want these courses.

The ML run a tight ship and it needs to, we dont want to go back to the old days, but I do think that alot of what goes on is for the perception that we are a progressive league to the world looking in. There are alot more problems going on that need to be addressed rather that scoreboards, press boxes and stewards at matches.
Am I right when I heard a Super League team travelled to an away game last Sunday with the bare 11 players?
Should the league be looking at why there is an alarming drop in the number of players in the league, as seen by the withdrawl of teams? Has the ML met up with any of these clubs to find out what the problems are?


It has been mentioned that there has been a drop in the standard of football what do people think?

Mayo football has made huge strides over the last 10 to 12 years but I think we now find ourselves at a crossroads, alot of good football people are getting disillusioned with the state of the game and are feeling ostracized.
Its right to say we wont change the ML overnight but they need to realise we are in changed times, its going to get harder to get people to be involved.

We need to ask ourselves are we involved to promote the game of football or to feed egos.
Have we lost the focus of our objectives?

Apologies to Goodfootball if the above is seen to be talking *** but this is a discussion forum and by its nature is about debate which can lead to some *** being talked, thats the beauty of freedom of speech.

Okay now let me put my tin hat on and wait for the snipers!!!:D

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It with great sadness to have learned the passing of a giant of a man who only new kindness and generously to give to other's May his soul rest in peace Castlebar man Anthony McHugh

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Originally Posted by Fair Play

No issue with any of your opinions or comments Redkenrover, and I accept your point of view on the "dictatorial" means of having the courses etc. I suppose as one other posters mentioned, the only answer might be for others to put themselves forward on to the ML and see if they can do better than the people that are there. Looking at the numbers, some are there a long time and maybe there is an element of staleness or maybe complacency, but I do not se it as an "ego trip". Looking at the numbers also, I notice that there only two people on the league that did not come from the clubs. Maybe time as somebody else said to "put up, or us all to shut up". There I will let the matter rest, as I do not wish to offend anyone.

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Apologies Fair play but I didnt mean that the ML were on an ego trip, it was directed at the wider football community in general, that there are some people at club level that I wonder what their agenda is.
I think that one of the reasons we dont see many people putting themselves forward to join the ML is that its the same small group of people that are struggling to keep their clubs afloat, I'd say if you did a poll at most clubs its the same people doing all the work, fundraising, marking pitches, managing teams, they dont have the time or energy to get involved in the ML. Majority do so on a voluntary basis. This is their priority and without them some clubs would cease.
Look at most clubs and its the same faces you see at meetings etc. Also a "them and us mentality" has developed over the years between the ML and clubs, clubs see the ML as a league thats only interested in squeezing money from them.

And dont worry, I'm not that easily offended, I think this type of debate is great and is better than most of the sh**e that gets posted on these forums.

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Originally Posted by renovater

It with great sadness to have learned the passing of a giant of a man who only new kindness and generously to give to other's May his soul rest in peace Castlebar man Anthony McHugh

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Just heard this very sad news this evening, a gentleman who was a great supporter of Mayo Football. Ar dheis De ar ainm. Our condolences to the McHugh family.