i have seen players like mcgeady go for cheap price, samir nasri playing in a better league and a better player than mcgeady was only like 8 million i remember.
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i have seen players like mcgeady go for cheap price, samir nasri playing in a better league and a better player than mcgeady was only like 8 million i remember.
If he has any ambition whatsoever he'll be a man and move to away from the SPL, which is a league in serious decline after the television money debacle.
Nasri has been very average since he joined Arsenal and looked every bit of an 8 million pound playerQuote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
What has Aiden left to prove in Scotland and sadly for now at least it is a league in decline.
Opportunities to go to the top leagues do not come all the time.
I believe if a player is confident that he can make it he would want to take the opportunity.
A lot depends on the players personality/ambition and so on. And if the move takes place a bit of luck does not hurt either.
dont think a broken ankle has helped the kid.. i'd judge him moreso over the rest of the season and the nextQuote:
Originally Posted by carloz
10 million for McGeady?? He definitely isn't worth that. Considering that Liam Lawrence kept him off/is keeping him off the Irish team that would make the Stoke City sub worth how much then??
Im a fan of Liam Lawrence but he wouldnt be capable of some of McGeadys perfomances in the Champions LeagueQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
no but he might deliver a decent final ball....Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
similar to the comparison with Stephen Hunt, Lawrence has spent the majority of his career in the lower divisions, whereas McGeady has played and scored in the Champions League, and won Player of the Year and league trophies at CelticQuote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
according to the official SPL stats (from http://www.scotprem.com/content/defa...cs&category=20 ) McGeady has the second most assists in the SPL this seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
like the one he put in for Celtics equaliser against Rangers last week!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
You are right though, his crossing is way too inconsistant at the moment but I do think he is starting to improve in that.The Celtic fan part of me wants him to stay at Celtic but realistically for him to improve I think he has to be playing with and against better players every week so the time has come for him to move
Whatever Hunt is worth, McGeady is worth at least double. McGeady is a fantastic talent who will have an outstanding career with Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by yapster
Unless, of course, you value running around headless & getting sent off in crucial games.
He turned the game against Georgia for a start - put them entirely on the back foot with his attacking display.
And the point being is that he will only improve - unlikely Hunt will.
And why do you think Hunt is valued at about £3m and McGeady at least double that?
Stephen Patrick Hunt (born 1 August 1981 in Portlaoise, County Laois)Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Aiden McGeady (born 4 April 1986 in Glasgow)
And your point ? Everyone bore in 1981 is worth £3m or less - not so. More to the point do you know what Hunt was worth when he was 24 - a time when there was much more money in the game and inflated prices?
Yapster - I was answering your criticism that McGeady had done nothing for Ireland. Regardless of Georgia's qualities this was one game we were not going to win & McGeady turned it. You seem to want to undermine him for some reason.
I'm of a similarly positive disposition as you Razor, but I'm afraid that ball was about the only decent final ball he put in in about 15 attempts! His ability on the ball and facing a direct opponent is top class, but has crossing and shooting was awful, and his first touch clumsy when it counted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
yeah I know, that is why I did say that his crossing was way too inconsistant at the moment.Theres no doubt there are areas of his game that he needs to improve but for me there is no doubting his talentQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
You asked why McGeady is worth more than Hunt. Age is certainly a factor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Hunt was worth peanuts at age 24, but at age 27 he was worth at least five million according to this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen...)#cite_note-14
Five million peanuts is a lot.Quote:
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Originally Posted by strangeirish
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Originally Posted by Razors left peg
That about sums it up.
His crossing is very inconsistent, but the stats prove his assists tally is consistently high. They are generally from crosses or threaded through balls. So, his final ball can be good but needs to be good more often.
McGeady more often than not tends to go for the little dink type cross, gently floated in to the box. I sometimes wonder whether the 'whipped in at speed' type cross (whether low or high) would be a better option? Its the type of cross that Hunt would favour, Im not sure there is any more accuracy in it or can be deemed a 'better final ball', but it certainly gives the impression of being a better final ball and can cause defences to panic more.
His shooting/finishing is really awful for a guy with his skill. He needs to spend some time with a Henrik type figure (not Robbie, in my book at least) or equivalent and try and learn some of the coolness and art to finishing. Even Darron Gibson could give him some pointers on long range shooting.
Spiers touches on a few of these points in his Times column. He Reckons £13m will seal a deal for McGeady to go to the Premiership. Somewhere between £10m and £13m should do the trick I reckon.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6982946.ece
Where have you been for the last 5 years??? :confused: 31 caps, 0 goals and only a couple of half decent performances. The most over-hyped player for Ireland in decades.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Look Aiden has ability and I will honestly admit that when Damian Duff first started to play for Ireland I could not see his potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Ah but £13m should be enough money to seal a deal for Aiden to play on the moon.
Duff was playing in the premier league with Blackburn and Aiden is playing in a sadly deteriorating SPL.
Anyone that paid more than £8 million(approx) is taking some sort of medication they should'nt be.
Now that is not too say he will not be worth more in the future as was the case with Duff.
If his shooting and most of all his final ball improved then he would be some player.
It would be great to see him play for Wenger at Arsenal but sure Wenger has an embargo(;))against Irish or British players.
Why Wenger did not buy Given for relative buttons is beyond me but thats another story.
Listen, no players are worth what they go for these days but in the current market he is a £10m player. Added to that, he is only 18mths in to a 5 yr contract, 23 yrs of age and Celtic dont need to sell - then its going to be a £10m+ offer that gets him.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
if Aiden could shoot and his final ball delivery improved to the half way mark of his ability, he would be worth £25- 30m.
Just out of curiousity what was the fee paid for the last big name to be bought from the SPL.
I think it would be good for Aiden to go but it would not do him any favours arriving at some club for an inflated fee and the fans expecting the next Ronaldo.
It would be great if he could get a move to one of the top clubs and eased into it against the weaker teams.
But what is the likelihood of that happening.
Some kind of fee with add ons for appearances and performances would be the best.
He has done nearly all he can do in Scotland but a lot depends on Aidens personality. Is he up for the chalenge of playing in a foreign:p country (he is already)
How could he cope if it did not work out (It could happen for many reasons)
I really hope he goes to a gret club and does well. It would leave a few posters on here and myself included with red faces and sure that would'nt be any harm.
Off the top of my head.
Petrov went to Aston Villa from Celtic for £6.5m possibly rising to £8m.
Boumsong went to Newcastle from Rangers for £8m.
I am not convinced Aiden has the inner strength to deal with a move to the EPL or further afield but I hope one day it happens and he makes a success of it.
Craig Gordon cost Sunderland £9million & Spurs paid the same for Alan HuttonQuote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Well if somebody is willing to pay £8m for Boumsong then maybe people are right about Aiden being worth £10m or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Junior
Mind you the precedent of Boumsong would not encourage anyone to pay that kind of money for a player from the SPL.
Petrov has justified his fee I would say. After a shaky start.
Of course! How could I forget the 'white cafu' as he was modestly labelled by his knuckledragging followers on the southside of Glasgow:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Wangball
Craig Gordon = £9m. Roy Keane + Lots of available Sunderland cash = vastly inflated fee.
The Boumsong transfer was a great bit of business by Rangers. Signed on a bosman free in the summer, sold to the Geordies in January for £8m, turning out to be a dud. Bizarrely has 27 caps for France though.
Off topic I know but.....Absolutely. Voted player of the season last year by both the fans and his fellow team mates. Captain as well now I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
It took him a season or so to get in to the swing of things but I think that is to be expected and he has flourished since then.
Interestingly, he scored some crackers for Celtic and was a great 'goalscoring' midfielder for us. That seems to be missing from his game these days. I know the arguments for weaker league etc.. but still....
Stats from wiki
Celtic 228apps 55gls 0.24gls per game
Villa 113apps 4gls 0.04gls per game
Some of it would be down to the relative roles hes playing, most of those celtic apps would have been in a 3 man midfield where lennon and lambert were happy to sit and let him go forward. Hes a lot more disciplined in the Villa side, especially with Barry gone. Hes playing a bit deeper. But he should still be scoring a bit moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Junior
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Originally Posted by seanfhear
first post lads so be gentle but felt had to reply to this remark. Alan Hutton went to spurs for £9Mstg and Craig Gordon went to S'land for something similar. Its crazy to suggest Aiden is worth anything less. Yes, the market has softened recently but mcgeady is worth more to any team than those 2 combined.
Seanfhear - you mak a point about Aiden going to play for a "great club". Im sorry, what is a great club? He is already playing at one. If you are talking about a team as opposed to a club then for his career he may be advised to travel south. But why settle for mid-table EPL mediocrity? Celtic play plenty of tough oppostion which stands him well, that coupled with decent european football every season stands him well. There are some good footballing sides in the SPL. Agreed not the standard of the 4(or top 6) EPL teams but unless he is signed up by one of those he would be mad to leave. Matches such as B'ham v Burnely doesnt exactly set the pulse racing does it? Or a half empty DW stadium or Ewood Park? Rubbish teams and rubbish clubs with a defeatist attitude - not what he needs
I peronally hope he doesnt leave 'tic. Not just yet anyway. He's having his best season for some time and a chance could get captaincy ( or vice captain ) If a top EPL 6 comes in for him, then fine. Otherwise Aiden - stay put!!
13 million is a lot of money for a wide player who cannot cross a ball.
6 or 7 million I could understand but 13 is way OTT.
To be honest when ye lads show me some of the players that have been transfered from the SPL and the money then I am begining to believe that Aiden is worth £10m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larssonisghod
With regard to Celtic being a great club. Well they certainly were but with the state of the SPL are they now. You have to be at least in a good league to be great club (great in the present tense)
Yes if Celtic and Rangers could get into the premier league then they have the potential to be a great club in the "present"
thats the thing. prices have been so inflated my money-men in the EPL that £10Mstg really isnt hard to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
what player is REALLY worth that amount of money
I have to say i disagree with that. Yes celtic cant compeat on the transfer market with the big hitters in the EPL but look at the state of some of the clubs down south. Even Man-Ure have resorted to a bond issue to try raise some cash. liverpool are in serious trouble and if any of the arab or american lads pull out well then the you know what will hit the fan. Yes, the brand of the SPL has suffered badly recently but Celtic are in fact quite financially secure with very little debt, excellent youth set up and training facilities. Still manage to appear in annual "rich list", all this without ruperts millions. I think the current state of some of the EPL teams will become more and more widespread and we might, hopefully, get our sport back!!Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
I think you missed my point - Being a great club is exactly that - tradition, values, histroy, legacy. All of those things ARE what makes a great club. Buying success is exactly the opposite which i think is what you equate being a great club to. I for one would dread the day IF celtic ever leave the scottish league. They are from glasgow and winning a league title in soctland is more important to fans than selling their soul and moving south.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
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Scotland is not big enough for Celtic and Rangers.
Its a credit too Celtic and Rangers that they have such big clubs(historical reasons) but and it is probably happening already , I am sure that a lot of young fellas in Scotland support some of the top teams in the English PL. If Rangers and Celtic are not careful they will end up like league of Ireland clubs which are second best to a lot of Irish football fans.
This may be an exaggeration for effect but there is definitely some truth in that scenario.
dont agree. would you say the same for Ajax, Porto etc and their respective leagues? Its not all about the EPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Dont agree. Most scottish ppl support theit scottish club. the ironic thing is, its the complete opposite. England has more celtic supporters clubs than scottish lads supporting english teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
i do take your point and some changes are required in the SPL to ensure its continued survival. I am certainly no supporter of the SFA but they are very pro-active in looking at far reacing restructuring programmes such as summer football, 2 tiered 18team premier league, re-amaterising some of the clubs as there are too many professional clubs in scortland. You have to remember scottish football attendance are amongst the highest in the world (per capita) and I dont think its a fair comparison with the Eircom league ( which is quite the opposite ). On the other hand the EPL has its head buried in the sand thinking this flow of foreign investment is never-ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
So he was getting bits of goals during a gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Junior
To be fair, Utd and Liverpool are still massively profitable clubs, much more so than Celtic is or is likely to be. The issue with both is that their current owners bought the clubs and saddled the clubs with the debt - they essentially used the clubs' own money to buy them. The Premier League will have massive questions to answer if either of those clubs becomes really hard up, because by its own rules it's not entirely clear whether the Glazers or Hicks/Gillette should have been able to take over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larssonisghod