Gibson was taken off early enough today. Does anyone know if he it was because of an injury?
Oh and that Croatian Jelavic scored another couple - Dunne, get the notepad out.
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Gibson was taken off early enough today. Does anyone know if he it was because of an injury?
Oh and that Croatian Jelavic scored another couple - Dunne, get the notepad out.
Gibson back today for Everton. Hopefully that foul-machine Tiote doesn't do him any damage today...
Gibson survived the foul-machine and by all acounts had another fine performance, apparently coming close with a couple of shots and grabbing an assist as Everton demolished Newcastle 3-1.
Another season unbeaten for Gibbo in the PL. That takes his tally to 27 without loss in the PL. Great move in Jan and some really encouraging performances for Everton. With Gibson, Everton's record was P15 W9 D5 L1. Gibson also played more minutes this season than any other in his career so far despite being injured for a couple of spells and being surplus to requirements at Man Utd for the first half of the season.
For me he's our best midfielder in the squad and I would love to see him impress at the Euro's.
I'm no expert on statistics, nor am I a great judge of footballer, but I'm fairly sure this makes Darron Gibson the best footballer in the world.
I remember Arsenal's ex-Millwall player Jimmy Carter went years without winning a game.
wasn't there something about Gareth Bale never starting a win for Spurs until last season?
Open to argument on this one, but I believe Gibson is exactly the kind of player that needs to be playing against Spain. Won't take any guff from Iniesta and co, and will pop up with a cracker against an ageing Casillas, who in my opinion isn't half the keeper he used to be.
He's 31, so I presume that by "ageing" you mean he's subject to the ravages of time, like the rest of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Indeed, the man has been around for a long time now. Been first choice at Real since he was 18. Just think he's suffering the years a bit more than most.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
Could be wrong on that, and I'm sure there are plenty who will disagree, but I just don't think he's half the keeper he used to be.
Saying that however, same could be said for Shay Given.
Well it's about three seasons ago by now but yeah, and I think those stats said as much about Bale as a player as Everton's do about Gibson. Everton have been coming strong in the second half of seasons for years. It's nice that Gibson has been a part of it, great that he's playing regular football but I would attribute very little of those Man Utd/Everton stats to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I think the Everton fans would disagree. In the 8 games he missed their record was W2, D4, L2.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
By the way. Bale was a joke of a player when he started at Spurs. He looked a nervous wreck and was played at left-back or as a sub and was part of many calamities if I recall correctly.
he was almost loaned out at one point until injuries forced Redknapp into trying him at left wing. The rest is history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
The two defeats were at Anfield and at home to Arsenal, where they were very unlucky not to get a result. They also lost to Liverpool with Gibson in the side but we won't let an FA Cup semi final defeat skew those flawless Gibbo stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
He was also 18 years of age making a big step up. He had some decent moments early on but got injured for a good while. When he returned Juande Ramos was in charge having being signed by Martin Jol. He did look a nervous player at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
Actually an injury to Assou-Ekotto forced Redknapp to play him at left-back, where he excelled. When Ekotto returned Bale was moved to the left wing.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
What are you on about? All the games are included in the stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
With Gibson:
P15 W9 D5 L1
(This includes victories over Man City, Chelsea, Newcastle. Draw against Man Utd.)
Without Gibson:
P8 W2 D4 L2
And if it wasn't for two brainfarts (Coleman and Distin) Everton could have won that game even after looking uncharacteristically lethargic for most of the game.
Already know all of this. Thanks for bringing it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Fair enough, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
Saw Chelsea and Man Utd games out of those, average at best in both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
On the other side, Everton's goal was a "brainfart" as well. And maybe if Everton competed better in midfield they would have had a better chance also. Another poor showing from Gibson in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
Presumed you didn't. Makes you calling him a "joke of a player" even more ridiculous when those things are factored in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irwin3
Those factors are what made him a joke of a player at the time. Without those factors he has since become the beast that he is today.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
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Originally Posted by Irwin3
In summary...
Gareth Bale
Young player with huge potential---moves to big club---plays well---gets injured---new manager appears---struggles to regain form after injury---joke of a player.
Darron Gibson
Young player with huge (?) potential---plays for big club---doesn't make much of an impact---still doesn't make much of an impact---moves to smaller club---makes an bit of an impact---clearly the reason his last two clubs stats are so impressive.
What are you on about? Bale was a joke of a player when he joined Spurs. He wasn't playing well and at one stage he was going to be loaned out. Several factors contributed to his shocking form.
-Young player moves to big club
-Team struggling at times, changing managers
-Played out of position
-Injuries
I don't know why you are trying to compare them like for like. Looks like you're stuck on something?
He had played reasonably well when he joined. I agree it's neither here nor there with regards to Gibson, I wasn't being overly serious with my little timeline thing.
I just find your stats ridiculous. United were a poorer side with Gibson in the team, of that I have no doubt. So then to use stats about PL games without defeat etc to build him up is naive to put it in a nice way. I remember one week in particular last season where United were trailing 2-0 to Blackpool in a midweek game. They took Gibson off at half time and went on to win 3-2. A few days later he started again against Southampton in the FA Cup. They were losing 1-0 after about an hour, substituted Gibson and went on to win 2-1. These two games, off the top of my head, would have contributed nicely to the number of United wins where Gibson started, but hardly indicates anything positive about his contribution when it's broken down. That's what I'm on about.
Do you remember that United started both of these games with one winger (Nani v. Blackpool, Obertan v. Southampton)? Do you remember that Gibson was basically playing LM v. Blackpool? Do you remember that both Blackpool goals were from corners? Do you remember that Gibson had Uniteds only shot on target in the 1st half v. Blackpool? Do you remember that Rooney was also subbed off?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Gibson was a squad player at United. A few minutes here and there to give other players a rest. He never lost a game in 10/11 and has a nice shiny medal for his efforts however spectacular or not they were.
The stat is PL games without defeat. It's a fun stat. It's at 27. Have fun counting.
I remember that Gibson was non existant in both games, clearly one shot on target aside! I wasn't blaming him for the goals conceded and I do indeed remember that they were from corners, something that has stuck with me because Alex Ferguson claimed that Charlie Adam was worth £10m for his corners alone, when Liverpool were trying to sign him. I don't care if Rooney was also subbed off, I don't think Rooney's progress is being monitored on here and is slightly more proven than Gibson even if he did have a bad night. I don't think he was playing as far wide as you suggest either, as Rooney/Berbatov were probably dropping deep left to make it more of a 4-5-1. I certainly don't remember him hogging the left touchline or anything like it.
Anyway, my point was that the stats are misleading as they will go down as United victories when Gibson started, even though they were in dire straits until he went off. I didn't mean to bore people with analysis of a game from a year and a half ago.
A fun stat is exactly what it is, I'm glad we can agree on something.
Its a pity Ferguson didnt pay attention to those great stats provided earlier, if he had Gibson would still be there and have got them to a CL final.
save us Tetsujin!
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LT6s-Qii7w...600/Statto.jpg
Where did you get that picture of Joe in his Pyjamas?
my phone...
How can stats be misleading. They are what they are. No-one has put up Gibson's United victory stats or his FA Cup stats so why have you even brought that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
You don't like Gibson. You haven't seen him play well in 3 years. You didn't think he'd even make it at a PL club. Great. Thankfully there are managers who do like him and are willing to play him.
Barring Evans and Fletcher, Gibson is the only United youth player to play 50+ games for United since the "class of '92". I wonder why SAF kept him at the club for so long.
David Moyes signed him for the 7th best team in the country. Obviously he's been fooled as Gibson has never played well in the last 3/4 years. You should get on the phone to Moyes and tell him he's made a mistake.
Stats aren't the be all and end all. They are largely fun but they objective and you can take them or leave them. Gibson is playing great. For me he is the best midfielder in the squad. Not because of his unbeaten stat, but because he is the best passer, shooter, set piece taker out of the current four by a distance. He also has the best football brain and education and probably has the best physical attributes as well.
All the snide comments from yourself and others just because you don't like a stat are baffling. No-one has said that a team should be picked on stats. The fact that he has been playing great obviously doesn't matter to some of you.
I don't think anyone was claiming Gibson's unbeaten streak was solely down to his own form - clearly, if he had been playing that well he'd have played in more games for United and ironically would have lost the unblemished record. But he has been vital in Everton's post-Christmas recovery this year, and the stats clearly show that the team performs better when he is in the side.
I would not say stats are ridiculous, granted they can be a bit misleading at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Anyhow, 'just for fun' I am going to look back at some of his Man U stats and see how man u faired "with or with out him" to miss-quote U2.
We should see that Man U did better without him. ( might take me a while!!)
2010/2011 P12 W10 D1 L1 season P38 W23 D11 L4
Bit of maths
P38 W23 D11 L4 over all
P12 W10 D01 L1 with darren
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P26 W13 D10 L3 without darren
P38 W31.6 D3.6 L3.6 If darren had played all games.
So they would have won 8.6 more games drew 7.4 less games and lost 0.4 less games.
I may have made the odd error but they did massively better with darren.
However that assumes games were of equal difficulty, which they were not, he didn't play any of the
other top 4 clubs, but did play 2 of the next 2 which he won.
Even so I would still say the stats who Man U were a better team with Darren!!!!
I mean the top four only account for 8 games and it seem they pretty much
drew the lot
I think using decimals was your first error.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
season 09/10
P15 W11 D2 L2 with darren
P38 W27 D4 L7 overall
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P23 W16 D2 L5 without darren
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P38 W28 D5 L5 Had darren played all games, that's slightly better.
The games again may have been easier but not so much as he played man city and chelsea.
Just think if Man U had kept Darren Man U would be champoins!!! :triumphant:
Ha ha I think my first error was logging in!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Yes unfortunately the numbers do not round easily, I could have made a better job of rounding them
but I don't have forever.
However his stats for the last two season do look pretty good.
stats are not everything but the more you have of them the harder they are to ignore, can you just be lucky in getting results?
Finally, leagues are decided on stats, not opinions!!
Darron in 10/11 PL for Man UTD:Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
P12 W10 D2 L0
Darron in 09/10 PL for Man UTD:Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
P15 W11 D1 L3
Sorry tricky. Had to do it. Doesn't change too much so the sentiment of your posts remains the same.
Gibson and Mccarthy have the ability to control midfield for us for the next 3 or 4 campaigns. Think poor gibson has been treated awful badly by utd and ireland fans. There are very few better defensive midfielders in england.
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Originally Posted by Irwin3
No problem at all!! As I said "may have made the odd error" and indeed I did, or seem to have done!! (gonna check!! :encouragement:) so it is good that someone checks because I am having to count up the games myself and counting is not my strong point!!
(checked) indeed you are right, however the overall effect cancels out some what as I put a loss for and draw and then a draw for a loss, but it makes his last season with Man U even better.
So correcting his last season
2010/2011 P12 W10 D1 L1 season P38 W23 D11 L4
Bit of maths
P38 W23 D11 L4 over all
P12 W10 D02 L0 with darren
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P26 W13 D9 L4 without darren
P12 W10 D02 L0 with darren
Now if I add in your Everton stats
P15 W9 D5 L1
we get
p27 W19 D7 L1
That's gives a points average of 2.37 per game against 2.34 for Man CIty the champions, that is pretty impressive when most of his games were with Everton!!
It is even more surprising when you consider he played against mainly top teams
with Everton or certainly tougher than average.
I think we can safely conclude he is indeed the best player in the world!!!!!
(again I could have made some errors!! :) )
On another stats site it shows he is our second best player after James McClean
http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252...ague-2011-2012
However he is not on the overall list due to an error but he is on the Everton team list with a score of 6.77
http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/31