If Roddy Collins had any shred of decency which to be fair we know he doesn't he'd quit. Agree totally about the PFAI as well.
If Roddy Collins had any shred of decency which to be fair we know he doesn't he'd quit. Agree totally about the PFAI as well.
If Tommy could go any lower he'd be world limbo champion.
Stupider like a fox!Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomofman
I'd have thought it'd be Roddy who was dishing out the punishments. Probably is.
So they've been fined nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by yiddo
His behaviour (past, recent and present) has shown he hasn't got one bit of honour or loyalty. He was conspicuously absent the last couple of days, and especially I didn't hear or see him come out in defence of his boss. He's let down his players, his employer and the supporters of CCFC, but of course there'll be someone to blame for this!Quote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
From the Irish Examiner
Worst case I’ve ever seen, insists players’ solicitor
By John Riordan
Saturday, January 30, 2010
THE solicitor acting on behalf of Cork City players and staff yesterday described the standoff which has enveloped the League of Ireland club as the worst he has seen during his career in employment law.
Having endured 10 weeks without pay (money received on Christmas Eve had been due since October), the club’s employees contacted John Boylan for advice.
And yesterday, at a specially press conference, Boylan outlined the grievances of staff and players in a carefully constructed two-page statement.
"It’s the worst I’ve ever seen," said Boylan. "If it was an ordinary work job – if it was my office and my secretaries weren’t paid for two and a half months and they went through Christmas without being paid I just actually can’t imagine that they would keep coming in.
"The idea of people loving football so much that they would take their eye off the ball and put up with not being paid – I just find it extraordinary. I’ve never actually come across it previously in any walk of life and I’m an employment lawyer for more than 20 years.
"I’ve actually never come across that. They love football so much and they are all decent, down-to-earth guys, they don’t make trouble and yet they manage to put up with two and a half months of not being paid. I find that extraordinary."
Boylan did however rule out any court action.
"I told them that it was a waste of time going into the legal arena because I have acted for previous employees of Cork City Football Club and we have got judgements from the same consortium and they still haven’t been paid.
"There was a very long-standing employee Noelle Feeney, who is one of the heartbeats of the club. She was an employee – a registered employee – and she was fired on the spot. We went to the labour court and we won completely. And they have never paid her a penny.
"I will be keeping a close eye on things but having looked at the finances there is absolutely, in my opinion, no chance.
"Alan Mathews has got a judgement, Gareth Farrelly has got a judgement and neither of them have been paid. Noelle Feeney got a judgement nearly nine months ago. To be frank about it I haven’t seen any judgement paid except for the Revenue – and the Revenue are the only people who have a real hold over him."
Murray: this is the lowest I’ve ever felt
By John Riordan
Saturday, January 30, 2010
DAN MURRAY yesterday claimed he is going through the lowest period of his life as wages owed to him, his fellow players and staff remain unpaid.
The Cork City captain doesn’t hold out any hope of ever being paid what he was owed – but claims he would rather be paid nothing under different ownership.
Murray was speaking after yesterday’s show of force by employees of the League of Ireland club at a specially convened press conference in the Maryborough House Hotel.
Telling reporters that he had just endured a very harsh Christmas, Murray reiterated calls for Tom Coughlan to strike a deal with a local consortium involving Jim McCarthy of the Quintas Group and Michael O’Connell.
He also admitted that it was hard to predict his future under Coughlan’s recent managerial appointment Roddy Collins – a notable absentee yesterday.
"Something is going to happen, I’d say," responded Murray when asked whether or not a backlash was in the offing.
"I’m probably the first to get it anyway. He’s not paying me anyway so he can’t stop paying me! He can stop me playing but I’ve still got a contract. There’s nothing to gain from them doing anything to me. They are better off trying to work with me. I’m happy to work with Roddy for as long as he wants me.
"The way we see it, we’re not going to get paid at the minute. We’re probably not going to get paid even with new owners, we may have to come to an arrangement. But as players we would be happier to come to an arrangement with different people and not Tom Coughlan. Every time we’ve had an agreement with him, he’s not done what he said he would do.
"We’ve heard so many (lies) and I’ve had it to my face. I just can’t handle that. That has probably ****ed me off more than anything else.
"The options for myself to leave are probably running out as you’ve kept people hanging on for so long. They’ve gone for other options. It’s more important to make sure the club is there – and at the moment I can’t see that with Tom in charge. I can’t see us getting a second chance with the Revenue on Monday, for example."
Murray also outlined what had been a less than festive period.
"You can’t buy presents or travel home to England to see the family because you haven’t any money,’’ he said. "You can’t put petrol in the car, can’t buy your family presents, borrowing money off people just to pay the bills and put food on the table. I wouldn’t wish it upon your worst enemy. It was the worst Christmas I’ve ever experienced. It’s hard to accept what was going on.
"We just want to look after ourselves. We’re not on massive money like English Premier League players, where you can afford not to be paid for a few weeks and it won’t affect you. We get enough money to pay the mortgage and the bills and if you’re lucky, there is a bit more to pay for a few luxuries like dinner out or a night out. Over the last two months we haven’t been able to do any of that. I’ve probably turned into a bit of a hermit sitting at home watching Celebrity Big Brother."
Murray agreed that it was probably the lowest period of his life.
"Yeah, I think it is. I have been lucky enough that I’ve had a good life and enjoyed most of it. I have good family support and friends but this is totally different. You go to bed every single night wondering what bill is going to come through the door the next morning, wondering where can I get the money. It puts stress on you, and its the most stressful I’ve ever been in football.
"Hopefully he (Coughlan) can see sense and get out while he still has something. I don’t know what he can gain by doing what he is doing now. If someone can just have a good talk to him and say – right Tom, this is a good time to go, for the good of yourself and Cork City Football Club just leave and give someone else a go.
"At the start I think he had the best interests in trying to do it properly but then as it went on he just dug a bigger and bigger hole and he just wants to fight to get out of it instead of just putting his hands up. I don’t know what he’s trying to get out of doing what he’s doing. Surely he knows now that he is not the best man to run the football club."
This getting awful annoying now just throw them out of the league the obviously cant afford it
heard that stephen o donnell has had enough and gone home to galway ment to be trying to sort a deal over the weekend with unitedQuote:
Originally Posted by yiddo
I've seen mismanagement before in companies I've worked for but christ this takes the biscuit. How coughlan can go on national tv and radio spouting what he has spouted over the last few months knowing that staff have not been paid since june/july, doctor since he has had the club and players since november.
There is no way in hell the bloke should be let near a company again after the obvious disregard for his employees. As a human being I find his actions sickening.
Then to turn around and have the bottle to announce that the players are being suspended for 2 weeks and fined 2 weeks wages (which in all honesty the probably don't expect to ever see anyway).
I cannot imagine what the cork fans are feeling at the moment.
If I was one of the players/staff I would be looking to give him a smack at this stage.
PFAI must stop all players training with this club now ffs.
Great signing ,if it comes about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitd
I didn't understand half of that...Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
What score did it finish and who were they even playing?
Think it finished 2-0 Cork. Anto flood scored both. They were playing Crosshaven FC.
Finished 4-0 for City. Suspended players watched from the stand!
Dan Murray,Danny Murphy,Dan Connor,Mark McNulty,Stephen O'Donnell and
Paul Deasy - not honest! If you'r going by Roddy's column this morning. It's the first article for a while where TNB doesn't merit a mention. But lots of grovelling and pleading with the new owners to keep in. Also Cork should be playing in the Permier Division this year, according to the great man!
And shock horror, George is going to be the City captain this year - in the Premier Division!!! (At least it means he's not up with us!).
This is going to be fun!
:D lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Dalymountrower
why had cork to play their friendly in St Colmans park? Are they coming back at all to turners x?
Since we're not training in Bishopstown any more, can someone help Boy George find the gate?
MFA owed money, I assume renting the Cross for a friendly game would Only add to the debt. Normally these games would have been played at Bishopstown but we're locked out of there and I guess Ramblers are the only club stuck enough for cash to extend Tommy a bit of credit!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
There have been rumours that Coughlan and Meaney put St.Colman's down on our licence application, but even they couldn't be so daft as to break links with the Cross.
Dan Murray has been stripped of the captaincy too, Riddy has handed it to Georgie for the season. That won't go down well, nothing against George but Dan, as long as he is at thr club, has to be our captain.
Scanning the sunday papers and they all say there's a second group that want to takeover the club.
We know one is Quintas, who's the other?
Foras? Or is that part of Quintas(hint: I've no idea who or what quintas is)Quote:
Originally Posted by Riddickcule
I think this is where smoke and mirrors come in. Tommy will mess this about quite seriously and get the season started, make it to June when Roddy does a runner and claims, at first, it's for "personal reasons" and then reveals he'd not been paid since December and was tired of the commute (which he'd been doing since April) to Cork. Naturally he'll have demanded a pay off to go quietly, and when this doesn't materialise he'll be on every media outlet that can handle being done for slander and slate Tom, who then sells the club to a mysterious Arab Sheikh, fronted by a Nigerian Doctor, and he only finds out he'd been diddled out of the ownership of the club when the cheque, from the Bank Of Ojibwe, turns out not to be real - the fact that it was edible didn't trigger any clue for Tom who was desperate to save Cork from floods, depression and unemployment by giving the city a club in European competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Riddickcule
On an aside, did anyone hear Tom on radio last night, it was Today FM as far as I know but it was a repeat show from the morning - I think it was the weather guy off TV3. Anyway, he came across much better than on Roddy FM and RTE, in fact only the completely heartless, or CCFC fans, would have denied he was opening up. He said that if he'd to do it again he would, but completely differently and that LOI football was more cuthroat that politics, that CCFC cannot die and that while supporters were mostly wanting him out, he wanted them to understand that he wasn't making any money from the club and that they will have a new owner soon. On the topic of players and staff revolting, he said he understood them and accepted their grievances and hoped the new owners would rectify it. About Roddy he accepted Roddy had lied about his contract in Malta, that they "took him at face value" and even that he signed a statement to the contrary. It was he, Tom, who forced Roddy to retract his false allegations but he didn't do anything to the detriment of "that Maltese club" because he didn't know the real situation. He hoped the new owners would give Roddy a chance but that they'd also "sort out" the Maltese because of the way it all happened. He ended with "I did my best, my best for Cork and for the football club, it obviously wasn't enough and now I hope the new owners will build on what I've left."
He mentioned new owners more than 7 times (I stopped counting).
Didn't hear the interview, but Tommy playing the victim is already old.
Everything that has become an issue for him is of his own creation, everything! He had offers for the club back when we were in the High Court last August, he instead chose to adopt a brass neck posture and only for the deep pockets of the person now trying to buy the club, Cork City would have been liquidated, that's Tom's legacy.
When we came out of Examinership, he had a chance to start again properly on a clean slate and he didn't take it. Instead he started down the same path that Arkaga had been on before him. That's why we're back in the High Court AGAIN today facing ANOTHER winding up order from the revenue. The crocodile tears now is all about being his post CCFC life, wishing to be viewed as a martyr who gave his best but fell short in some vague hope that the people of Cork will forget what he was really like.
We won't
.......and Billy Kelleher has lost a few votes because of his involvement with Meaney and Coughlan for the next time he stands for election too.
I understand where you're coming from, truly, and I do feel he could be a bit of a confidence trickster, both himself and his compadres have been very poor in their dealings with everyone and especially last week when Roddy was given carte blanche to rail against the FAI and try to rally fans. I didn't him believe when he said they were dealing with everyone in good faith, the Roddy - Malta saga was proof of that, but I think he saw glory, went for it and only when he was up to his neck in it realised that he was in trouble. I also believe that arrogance has cost him dearly, he could have been a major hero by bringing FORAS on board, but he didn't bother. I do hope that there is a good resolution to all this yet I do see him being in charge until the summer, Cork struggling on in the Premier and looking for a new boss by the time the Europa League rolls around.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
I know TNB was Kellehers election agent (property developer and FF TD in joined at hip SHOCKER!), but has he been sticking his oar in recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
I agree, I think there's a huge danger that he's pretending to engage in a buyout process to buy time and ultimately retain controlQuote:
Originally Posted by weecountyman
1. With the revenue winding up order, pointing to the potential buy-out as evidence he can find the money
2. With the FAI licence, they'll come under pressure from many quarters to give a licence to CCIFL on the understanding that he'd sell
Rumours are going around that 2 of the 6 contracted players have left, if he could get rid of all 6 I think he'd be happy that he can finance the club through next season because he probably buys into Roddys blather about the players he's buying in being affordable.
I think there's a danger that this could all be another game of brinkmanship that TNB is playing. I think few things would give him as much pleasure as being in possession of a licence and still in possession of the Club in a month's time, with 'mouthy players' gone by mutual consent and Roddy and the new sustainable side heading up to Sligo to compete in the Setanta Cup. The revenue may even take a chance on getting their money back after the rescheduled date if he can show that the wage bill for 2010 is significantly less than 2009, while income could be unaffected.
Because it's almost impossible that the due diligence and change of owner could be completed by Fen 14th the next few weeks will be a Mexican Standoff involving FAI/Licencing Body on one side and Tom/Meaney on the other. if the FAI blink and give Tom a licence while he's still in a position to pull out of a deal, it's going to get incedibly messy, not to mention that the price of the club could suddenly sky-rocket for potential buyers.
I think Liam Meaney is Billy Kelleher's official Election Campaign Manager with Tom in the sidelines.
I'm not aware of Kelleher sticking his oar in, other than his rumourd word in Miriam O'Callaghan's ear to put a little comment at the end of the recent Primetime piece on Cork City FC [Kelleher was in the studio the same night in his Govt. capacity].
The thing is, Tom's name is toxic in many circles around Cork at this stage, people who associate with him are being tarred with the same brush.
Roddy Collins is already getting the 'Tom's lackey' attacks after he's stripped Dan Murray of the captaincy.
That seems like an extravagant conspiracy theory but, given the calibre of the guy involved, it's by no means unbelieveable. The situation where a private individual can have total control over a community-based organisation despite almost universal opposition is just wrong. It's a rare breed of megalomanic that has such a brass neck.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
You could have something there. When John Delaney was up in the Oireachtas addressing the committee (back in December), in the entourage was Tom Coughlan! Now, that may sound like strangebedfellows, but didn't he roll back into FF? And Delaney has been one of the FF brigade (at least I saw him at a fundraiser that was FF backed (for MS). Roddy stripping Dan Murray of the skipper job is something he'd do anyway. I would never read alot into it as most new bosses do it to make a stamp, plus if Dan is going to be leaving soon then it'd have to happen (not defending the man, just trying to give another side). It was very noticeable in his article yesterday how he deliberately only named his new found "signings" as honest. He did the same in Malta when naming club members who were "decent and hardworking", his omissions were meant to sting but showed him up as very petty and unintelligent.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiktok
tiktok you've put it very frighteningly close to what will turn out to be the truth regarding the licence. No matter what he'll hang on, hoping for a better time to leave, but it's not going to happen.
You've picked me up wrong there, I'm not suggesting any FF-Delaney-Coughlan conspiracy theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecountyman
Coughlan was CCFC's representative on the League Committee which is probably why he forced his way in, he wouldn't miss something like that.
My [limited] understanding of Coughlan in terms of FF [I could be completely wrong] is that he was invovled in FF, joined the PD's and ran for election for them. He lost out and subsequently lost a lot of support in the PDs when he tabled a motion that they would be absorbed back into FF. Then he rejoined FF himself.
There is no love lost between Delaney and Coughlan.
And Tom has proved himself a complete failure at both.Quote:
Originally Posted by weecountyman
Guilt by association. Asbo Billy and Tom are best friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
BEFORE MISS JUSTICE LAFFOY
IN COURT 3
AT 11 O'CLOCK
NOTICE
WINDING UP PETITIONS
The attention of practitioners is drawn to Order 74 Rule 16 of the Rules of the Superior Courts (1986) which reads as follows:
The petitioner, or his solicitor, shall prepare a list in. the Form No 9 of the names and addresses of the persons who have given notice of their intention appear on the hearing of a petition, and of their respective solicitors, Or the day appointed for hearing the petition, a copy of the list (of if no notice of intention to appear has been given a statement in writing; to that effect,, shall be handed by the petitioner, or his solicitor. to the Registrar prior to the hearing of the petition.
A list of the names and addresses of the Directors and the Secretary of the Company must be included in the papers handed into Court on the hearing of any such petition.
FOR MENTION
1 THE GASTRO PUB COMPANY LTD -V-
CASTLERING HOLDINGS LTD 2009 7334 P
PETITIONS
2 BLACK SHORE HOLDINGS LTD -V- COS ACTS 2010 11 COS
3 CALLERVIEW PROPERTIES LTD -V-
COMPANIES ACTS 1963 - 2009 2010 32 COS
4 COPPER ALLEY CLOTHING LTD -V-
COMPANIES ACT 1963 TO 2009 2010 24 COS
5 CORK CITY INVESTMENT FC LTD -V-
COMPANIES ACT 1963 TO 2009 2010 23 COS
I wonder how long we can rely on her patience?Quote:
Originally Posted by razor
She must be sick of the sight of Tommy at this stage!
Can't see any other outcome than an adjournment.
In fairness, with takeover talks underway, the revenue shouldn't challenge an adjournment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
It would be the right decision in the circumstances.
On the other hand, it seems pretty clear that CCFC should not have a license for the coming season, irrespective of any takeover (based on the still players being owed so much money and probability of no tax cert).
Obviously the judge probably won't bother with that but there would be a certain amount of logic to just ending it all now. Chances are the FAI would then bring the FORAS entity into D1- which would be the best outcome all round I suspect (especially if the investors looking to buy the club then came on board with them).
Shouldn't they really start in the A championship?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Mr. A, this is the kicker really.
The entire country now knows
1. That CCFC have missed every deadline for player payment, the player demonstration was on deadline day
2. CCFC do not have a tax clearance certificate, evidenced by the revenue action today [after deadline day]
3. The licence itself was not submitted on time for deadline day, admitted on local radio by Liam Meaney on deadline day
There are very very clear and very very public breaches of the licencing requirements in play and [even though personally i would lie to see the club under new ownership in the Premier division next season] I don't see how the FAI can fudge a Premier division licence. There is no way in hell they can fudge a UEFA licence for European participation though!