Can't agree. If it's the keeper and an attacker in the six-yard box, the keeper has to come out tops. If you can't come for that, what can you come for? And remember Bazunu comes for fewer crosses than pretty any other Championship keeper.
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Can't agree. If it's the keeper and an attacker in the six-yard box, the keeper has to come out tops. If you can't come for that, what can you come for? And remember Bazunu comes for fewer crosses than pretty any other Championship keeper.
Nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
FWIW, I think Watford’s second today looked soft (and worryingly familiar) and I really think he should be getting a hand to it, but the cross that led to Coventry’s goal really wasn’t the keeper’s ball to take. His right back disappeared without trace and he was beaten from close range from an unmarked attacker. That really was down to terrible defending.
middle of the 6 yard box maybe, but in % terms I think very few keepers would have gone for that. You just have to trust that your defenders don’t let men go. If you’re watching that in real time you think it’s a relatively routine cross that gets cleared at the back post. In hindsight it’d have been worth for given the rubbish defending, but very few keepers would be coming for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The fact(?) that he comes for fewer crosses has little to do with it. More sophistry there.
*going for
yeah agree 2nd one today is poor on his part. similar ish to the winner against ipswich that seemed to go in in slow motion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
By the way - if you want to see a goalkeeping performance - look at the two keepers in the Burnley/Brighton game today
I wasn't making any comment on Bazunu and the goal - I was merely pointing out the comments of the commentator - who said exactly the same thing I have said on here before. It is plain to see the problem in Southampton's defence - three players around striker and he had all day to pick his spot and strike the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
That said - I do think that Bazunu should have saved it. It is the case that he does seem a split second slow getting down to the ball - but I will repeat - I think this is being caused by the wider problems in the Southampton defence and Bazunu not knowing what the striker is going to do. If someone gets in a challenge in that position then Bazunu makes up the split second - if not then Bazunu has to wait and see where the ball is going, causing a delay in response.
This is why I think Bazunu is in a bad situation for his development (which is what we are concerned about - not Southampton's results) - the more he reacts that fraction of a second late, the more it becomes ingrained in his play and the harder it will be to correct it. He really does need to be in a team that puts defending first - so that his shot-stopping skills are developed. Unfortunately that is not going to happen at Southampton.
Maybe the best thing for Bazunu at this stage is for Southampton to get promoted - buy a new keeper and Bazunu gets to go out on loan to a Championship team - but it would have to be a team that tries to defend properly - e.g. WBA - or to a lesser extent Coventry, Millwall, QPR (if Begovic was to retire) or Hull. Bristol City would be another option - but they have O'Leary - or Sunderland - but they have Patterson.
Just looking at the PL table - if Everton were to get relegated - and Dyche to survive as manager - Pickford would be gone and it would be a good spot for Bazunu.
But I am just surmising here - Bazunu is contracted to Southampton until 2027.
If Southampton are promoted they'll replace Bazunu. Championship loan clubs could not afford his wages (£50k?), even if subsidised. I doubt any would be interested. Relegated Everton would opt for experience - as Southampton should have done in the first instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
PS: As a matter of interest, how much do you reckon Bazunu is worth on the transfer market?
Edit: Bazunu earns between £20k-£25K according to Football League World and Salary Sport. My guess was poor.
I think there’s merit in elatedscum’s question about the coaching he’s getting. His game has flatlined (at best) when he should be making progress. He’s clearly an exceptional talent, as evidenced by his Portsmouth stint.
I think the season can be summarised as leaking goals but not really to blame, then solid and now leaking goals again and definite questions over his culpability.
I have raised this before - his goalkeeping coach at Southampton, Dean Thornton, never played at professional level - he gave up football at 19 because of injuries and went into coaching. Now - he might be very good - but unlike other positions on the pitch - I think that you really need the experience of having played as a goalkeeper at the professional level to be a capable goalkeeping coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I wouldn't be so sure - Southampton will have limited funds and I think they would have to spend their money on defence and midfield (and striker if Adams leaves) - but with Martin's tactics any goalkeeper will suffer in the PL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
My understanding is that he is on £20K a week - which is the top end of the Championship wages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Southampton had experience and it was getting them nowhere - in fact they took a conscious decision to get younger last season - they problem is that you need a spine of experience running through the team and they took that out. 21 is very young for a PL keeper - but as S..88 said - Bazunu was exceptional at Portsmouth. But a season in the championship on loan might have been worthwhile. However, when Southampton came in with the £10m offer - Man City were going to cash in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Its hard to predict - and I don't really care to be honest - his value is irrelevant to the Irish team - his ability is what is important. I don't see him leaving Southampton for the foreseeable future thought with another 3 years on his contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapshot
Let's take a look at the goalkeeping coaches in the Premier LeagueQuote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
Not a lot of Premier League experience there, quite a few of them don't have wikipedia pages, so their careers weren't enough to write about
Team Goalkeeping Coach Arsenal Iñaki Caña Aston Villa Francisco Javier Garcia Bournemouth Neil Moss Brentford Manu Sotelo Brighton & Hove Albion Ricard Segarra Burnley Jelle ten Rouwelaar Chelsea Hilario Crystal Palace Dean Kiely Everton Alan Kelly, Jnr Fulham Hugo Olivera Liverpool John Achterberg Luton Town Kevin Pilkington Manchester City Richard Wright Manchester United Richard Hartis Newcastle United Adam Bartlett Nottingham Forest Rui Barbosa Sheffield United Matt Duke Tottenham Hotspur Rob Burch West Ham United Xavi Valero Wolverhampton Wanderers Neil Cutler
The current head of goalkeeping at the FA, Tim Dittmer, has underage caps for Ireland, don't think he ever played at a higher level than non league
Liverpool’s assistant goalkeeping coach won over 100 caps for Brazil. Do the assistant coaches have higher level experience? ;)
Klopp, Emery, Postecoglu, Howe and others never played Premier League either. Wouldn't trust them fellas
And don't get me started on Mourinho, Hodgson, Villas-Boas and Brian Kerr...
Where did I say 'Premier League experience' ?
here is the quote 'I think that you really need the experience of having played as a goalkeeper at the professional level to be a capable goalkeeping coach'
Futhermore - I didn't rule it out the possibility of a non-professional goalkeeper becoming a good goalkeeping coach. I was referring specifically to Dean Thornton - who does not appear to be doing a particularly good job with Bazunu.
If the stats guys are going to throw crap then at least make it relevant crap.
Not a lot professional level experience in that list either, as mentioned by the lack of wikipedia entries for a few of themQuote:
Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant
And I made a point that Dittmer never played above non league level
But is Wikipedia the measure of a good goalkeeping coach?
It's becoming more common for coaches to have less, or less impressive, professional experience.
The Premier League is a billion pound, hugely competitive, industry. I don't think they're routinely hiring beginners in key positions. Or if they are, then a lack of a Wikipedia entry doesn't define it. Let them be judged on their own merits
The point I was making was that their careers weren't notable enough for a Wikipedia entry, but they're still top quality coaches
Fairy nuff; I think I'm agreeing with you so! Apologies!
Not true - I think all of the above list of goalkeeping coaches were professional goalkeepers during their careers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979