Jack Grealish

HOORAY! I mean, feck, wait, what? As you were.

I don't know why his father would post that article if it were nonsense. By the same token, if it were true, I don't know why he'd effectively say anything before Jack.

I don't think Jack distancing himself says anything about his intentions though. He wants to deal with this whenever he feels the time is right.

BBC running the story, citing the Irish Times and Irish Independent.

Really surprised with the clamour over this lad. Yes he looks like a good player, plenty of potential but how many times have we said that before. At least McCarthy was an established premiership player when the fuss was over him.

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Originally Posted by DannyInvincible

Just having a look: https://twitter.com/McDonnellDan/sta...02860447879168

Why would Grealish distance himself from the story though if he'd made a decision, or why would Fallon breach confidences and risk his reputation if the player was not prepared to go public with it yet? Grealish's tweet doesn't make Fallon look good at all, whether the lad has made a decision in private or not.

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And no one blinks an eye at the surreality of Dan having a conversation with someone called Long Balls Larry?

[QUOTE=boysingreen;1785075By the same token, if it were true, I don't know why he'd effectively say anything before Jack.[/QUOTE]just a guess, but maybe it's because he is no longer his agent?

Confusion reigns. This is becoming like the James McCarthy drama before he committed. Still think if we keep winning games, I think the likes of Grealish will commit to us. O'Neill is in the dark on this too it seems. I do respect his consistency in approach and he even called Jack's father Mr Grealish! You don't hear that used much these days.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...roup-1.1967993

I don't think Bamford and Kane will declare because we beat Georgia and Gibraltar. And I don't think Noble and Naughton are going to change the habit of a lifetime.

Not that we are doing too badly without them. Who the hell would want Gibson, Meyler or Hendrick shunted by these guys after some of their recent performances for us?

I wouldn't. I never had any interest in those players but Grealish is different, a kid already playing for us even if he does have the temerity to like the country he was born and bred in.

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Originally Posted by gastric

Confusion reigns. This is becoming like the James McCarthy drama before he committed. Still think if we keep winning games, I think the likes of Grealish will commit to us. O'Neill is in the dark on this too it seems. I do respect his consistency in approach and he even called Jack's father Mr Grealish! You don't hear that used much these days.

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/socc...roup-1.1967993

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i love the photo of O'Neill and Low before the game. Contrast that to O'Neill yapping on and on to Low at the final whistle when Low wanted to get the f out of there ASAP. I'd love to know what O'Neill said, because Low certainly didn't want to listen.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I wouldn't. I never had any interest in those players but Grealish is different, a kid already playing for us even if he does have the temerity to like the country he was born and bred in.

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Was that what I had a problem with? My problem was that I thought he was playing for Ireland for career advancement reasons and not sentimental reasons, and because I thought he wasn't being entirely honest. In fairness it looks like he is going to declare for Ireland and if he does I will gladly eat humble pie but I still foresee a couple of forks in the road before he declares for anyone.

And yes I must admit that I was mildly irritated when he said he was supporting England in Euro 2012 when the team he plays Intl. football for (at youth level) were playing in the one and same tournament. I thought it was a bit patronising. Fair enough if he supports England but there is no need to be so vocal about it if you are playing for another country.

I'm too worn out by this continuing argument, if it's even that, but maybe he was being completely honest all along?

Anyway, let's see. I won't be looking to rub salt in if you're wrong. I just want to see good players play for us, I want us to be successful but like you I also don't want wanton opportunists playing for us. I honestly don't think JG fits that category, not by a long way.

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

you know the rules doc, you can delete the post, or you have 24 hours to produce proof of this ultimatum, otherwise it's an infraction

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Do as you will Tetsa,

I'm done with this site, posters so way off with what's really going on.

When will people realise not to believe what's written or discussed in the Media?


I know my footie, will this so called infraction be remove once my comments bear fruition?

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Originally Posted by the doc

Do as you will Tetsa,

I'm done with this site, posters so way off with what's really going on.

When will people realise not to believe what's written or discussed in the Media?


I know my footie, will this so called infraction be remove once my comments bear fruition?

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Only if you can provide proof that there was an ultimatum, which is what you stated occurred

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Originally Posted by the doc

Do as you will Tetsa,

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Probably an infraction in itself.

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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton

Probably an infraction in itself.

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It's moving into infarction territory.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I wouldn't. I never had any interest in those players but Grealish is different, a kid already playing for us even if he does have the temerity to like the country he was born and bred in.

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You really need to work on your young wan by all accounts.

In all seriousness the concept of dual nationality or growing up in a household such as say the Grealish's or the Stutts' is something that I can't get my head around. ie. Why wouldn't you pick Ireland?

But I'm aware and respect that those nuances exist.

I think that Aiden McGeady, Kevin Kilbane and Mick McCarthy ruined it for us to some extent. They could've wavered a bit to get us used to the concept.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Was that what I had a problem with? My problem was that I thought he was playing for Ireland for career advancement reasons and not sentimental reasons, and because I thought he wasn't being entirely honest. In fairness it looks like he is going to declare for Ireland and if he does I will gladly eat humble pie but I still foresee a couple of forks in the road before he declares for anyone.

And yes I must admit that I was mildly irritated when he said he was supporting England in Euro 2012 when the team he plays Intl. football for (at youth level) were playing in the one and same tournament. I thought it was a bit patronising. Fair enough if he supports England but there is no need to be so vocal about it if you are playing for another country.

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Niall McGinn was similarly vocal and whilst it was just the Nations Cup he was still in a position that he was playing for a rival team in the same tournament. Jack was merely a fan like you and me.. Would NMcG be deserving of similar opprobrium?

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Originally Posted by the doc

JG has been given an ultimatum, put up or shut up, so expect him to be called into the next senior squad but should he withdraw its curtains for him with us.

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Why do you flat-out lie like this? I don't get it. Indeed, Martin O'Neill has said the complete opposite; there is absolutely no pressure on Grealish whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by boysingreen

BBC running the story, citing the Irish Times and Irish Independent.

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They also appear to think that Gort has moved from Galway to Wicklow: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29660430

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

i love the photo of O'Neill and Low before the game. Contrast that to O'Neill yapping on and on to Low at the final whistle when Low wanted to get the f out of there ASAP. I'd love to know what O'Neill said, because Low certainly didn't want to listen.

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I'm not a professional lip-reader or anything like that, but I'm pretty sure he articulated with great grace, poise and eloquence, as only Martin could, "Bail that out, you f*cker."

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

My problem was that I thought he was playing for Ireland for career advancement reasons and not sentimental reasons, and because I thought he wasn't being entirely honest.

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Maybe he was just uncertain. And why does everything have to be a case of either/or with you? Maybe career considerations and sentimental considerations have combined to varying degrees in his decision to represent Ireland. People often make decisions based on a combination of various competing or complementing factors.

When we all know Gort is in Brazil...

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

I don't think Bamford and Kane will declare because we beat Georgia and Gibraltar. And I don't think Noble and Naughton are going to change the habit of a lifetime.

Not that we are doing too badly without them. Who the hell would want Gibson, Meyler or Hendrick shunted by these guys after some of their recent performances for us?

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I hope they all declare for us. And when have I ever said these players would shunt the incumbents? What I keep saying is they are options, whether they are used by O'Neill is another question. All their declaration for Ireland would do is increase our options particularly when affected by injury. If they prove to be the best option so be it, if they don't we have lost nothing. That's why I don't have any issue with these players. Luke Chambers was approached by the FAI a few years ago and asked to declare for us. I believe he has and has never played for us ( happy to be corrected on this!) so what's the problem with this?

Edit: The only player I feel who could make a positive contribution now from the many discussed is McGoldrick and while many on here might dispute this, I would suggest he would be a suitable replacement for Robbie if injured, but certainly not near as good.