Shane Long

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/...ingham-forest/

Linked with Nottingham Forest again today.

Hard to believe that he wouldn't have at least half a dozen Premier League teams interested in him.

Whatever about his goalscoring record, there are probably still only 3 or 4 strikers with better goalscoring records outside the top 6 clubs.

Look at Modibo Maiga, Danny Graham, Pablo Osvaldo, Jozy Altidore and Ricky Van Wolfswinkel off the top of my head.

They have shocking goalscoring records, no better than Long in other non-goalscoring aspects and half of them are probably making three times as much as Long.

GOAL - West Brom 1-1 Hull - Matej Vydra (86 mins)Wow - what a fine team goal this is! Shane Long with the Zidane-style backheel to Zoltan Gera, he feeds an inch-perfect pass to Matej Vydra, and the ex-Watford man calmly sends a low shot into the net for his first for the club. Big goal.

It was good from Shane. It wasn't that good. Plus he back heeled it to himself and played a simple pass to Gera who made the goal with a Grealish-esque :) pass to Vydra.

Left out of the squad today.

Presumably to manage his ongoing muscle injuries.

I doubt we will hear of a Long tweet, claiming he was fit and slagging off his paymasters.

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Originally Posted by geysir

I doubt we will hear of a Long tweet, claiming he was fit and slagging off his paymasters.

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At West Brom, he is probably used to being treated with a modicum of respect and diplomacy.

The list of players Trapattoni fell out with was quite frankly embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

At West Brom, he is probably used to being treated with a modicum of respect and diplomacy.
The list of players Trapattoni fell out with was quite frankly embarrassing.

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I forget where Long was treated with disrespect.
You're not talking about the game where Trap said he didn't use him because he was an injury suspect but Long stuck his head in front of a microphone and claimed he was fit, then he wasn't fit after all, but we were not supposed to know he wasn't fit?
The very same player who was allowed by Trap to leave the Ireland camp, sent on a wild good transfer chase by his club, why? because his club respect him so much?

Trapattoni has form for this, in fairness. I don't think anyone can excuse what happened with Kevin Foley, Stephen Kelly and Steven Reid in particular.

Long himself was poorly utilised for a long time, being left out of the side when people like Folan, Best, Cox and Walters were playing.

And if I recall, Trapattoni called him "stupid". It's blatant lack of respect and hypocrisy, considering some of his managerial faux pas over the last 5 years.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Trapattoni has form for this, in fairness. I don't think anyone can excuse what happened with Kevin Foley, Stephen Kelly and Steven Reid in particular.

Long himself was poorly utilised for a long time, being left out of the side when people like Folan, Best, Cox and Walters were playing.

And if I recall, Trapattoni called him "stupid". It's blatant lack of respect and hypocrisy, considering some of his managerial faux pas over the last 5 years.

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Your recall is suspect and the analysis immature.
Trap says Shane Long fitness claim 'idiotic'
Trap did not say Long was stupid, he said Long's claim to be be fit was idiotic, i.e. to publicly claim he was fit when he was declared unfit to play.
And since, we have seen another example of Long's immaturity, towards another manager.

Steven Reid said he didn't want to play Int'l anymore b/c he was hurt too much and needed to concentrate on his club career. Trap was disappointed but understood.

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Originally Posted by geysir

Your recall is suspect and the analysis immature.
Trap says Shane Long fitness claim 'idiotic'
Trap did not say Long was stupid, he said Long's claim to be be fit was idiotic, i.e. to publicly claim he was fit when he was declared unfit to play.
And since, we have seen another example of Long's immaturity, towards another manager.

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Whether he called him stupid or idiotic doesn't excuse it. Are you going to try and defend his behaviour towards Stephen Kelly? Steven Reid?

I would understand Shane Long's exasperation with Trapattoni. It must be pretty humiliating to be kept out of the team by the 6th choice striker at his own club because Trapattoni couldn't tell the difference between them.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

Whether he called him stupid or idiotic doesn't excuse it.

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Trap neither called him stupid nor idiotic.
Trap said his claim to be fit was idiotic and it was idiotic because he was unfit and Trap was going to start with him.
There's a difference between regarding an opinion to be idiotic and regarding a person to be idiotic, playing the ball v playing the man.

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Are you going to try and defend his behaviour towards Stephen Kelly? Steven Reid?

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What on earth has that got to do with what Trap said about Shane Long?

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I would understand Shane Long's exasperation with Trapattoni. It must be pretty humiliating to be kept out of the team by the 6th choice striker at his own club because Trapattoni couldn't tell the difference between them.

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Fine, you understand and support Long's exasperation, protests and indiscipline at being left out of the team by Trap after he was declared unfit to play and his exasperation, protests and indiscipline after he was left out of the team by King, when he was fit to play.

geysir, you are just going to have to accept that some people will think Trapattoni calling one of his players' behaviour "idiotic" and insinuating that they are stupid is arrogant and unprofessional; just like his behaviour towards Steven Reid when Sam Allardyce had to put him in his place after making some asinine and potentially career damaging remarks about his supposed lack of fitness and just like his behaviour towards Stephen Kelly when he made borderline libellous comments about him and the FAI (again) had to reproach him for his fundamental lack of common sense, respect and decency.

Compare the way Andy Reid dealt with his exclusion from the Irish team with the way Trapattoni dealt with it. Night and day. Reid didn't have a bad word to say about him. Then you have Trapattoni constantly making belittling remarks and innuendo (and again like Steven Reid furore) that could impact on Andy's club career.

When you look at the players Trapattoni fell out with; S. Reid, A. Reid, Foley and Kelly, these are probably the most laid back, polite and intelligent members of the squad and you would swear they were Roy Keane foaming at the mouth the way Trapattoni managed to vex them.

Again, with Long, I understand his exasperation and petulance (Stokes too) of being unused substitutes year in year out, not getting so much as a substitute appearance
and then watching Jonathan Walters and Simon Cox practically walk into the first team as soon as they get their passports.

I admire your willingness to defend Trapattoni to the hilt; he done reasonably well before Euro 2012 but he erased a lot of the goodwill by saying "arrivederci" if he didn't get a new contract before Euro 2012 and then half assing it during the WC qualifying campaign.

Trap was a ***t.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

geysir, you are just going to have to accept that some people will think Trapattoni calling one of his players' behaviour "idiotic" and insinuating that they are stupid is arrogant and unprofessional; just like his behaviour towards Steven Reid when Sam Allardyce had to put him in his place after making some asinine and potentially career damaging remarks about his supposed lack of fitness and just like his behaviour towards Stephen Kelly when he made borderline libellous comments about him and the FAI (again) had to reproach him for his fundamental lack of common sense, respect and decency.

Compare the way Andy Reid dealt with his exclusion from the Irish team with the way Trapattoni dealt with it. Night and day. Reid didn't have a bad word to say about him. Then you have Trapattoni constantly making belittling remarks and innuendo (and again like Steven Reid furore) that could impact on Andy's club career.

When you look at the players Trapattoni fell out with; S. Reid, A. Reid, Foley and Kelly, these are probably the most laid back, polite and intelligent members of the squad and you would swear they were Roy Keane foaming at the mouth the way Trapattoni managed to vex them.

Again, with Long, I understand his exasperation and petulance (Stokes too) of being unused substitutes year in year out, not getting so much as a substitute appearance
and then watching Jonathan Walters and Simon Cox practically walk into the first team as soon as they get their passports.

I admire your willingness to defend Trapattoni to the hilt; he done reasonably well before Euro 2012 but he erased a lot of the goodwill by saying "arrivederci" if he didn't get a new contract before Euro 2012 and then half assing it during the WC qualifying campaign.

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Stokes dug his own grave with his attitude with Trap.

But, what has Walters (the son of an Irish woman) done to be dragged into this? Or Cox?

Long is way too inconsistent for Ireland. Fluffed chance after fluffed chance would be enough to wind me up too.

"Reports in a couple of papers this morning claim Tottenham are considering a £4million bid for West Brom striker Shane Long in January. To help fund the offer, The Sun on Sunday suggests that Spurs striker Jermain Defoe will be on his way to Major League Soccer club Toronto FC in a £6million deal."

http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...ansfer-2968013

Spurs are a far cry from Nottingham Forrest. Long's big shot with a bigger club.

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Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks

"Reports in a couple of papers this morning claim Tottenham are considering a £4million bid for West Brom striker Shane Long in January. To help fund the offer, The Sun on Sunday suggests that Spurs striker Jermain Defoe will be on his way to Major League Soccer club Toronto FC in a £6million deal."

http://www1.skysports.com/transfer-centre/

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...ansfer-2968013

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Would spend his time at Tottenham picking the bench splinters out of his ass. Would far prefer to see him at Hull or even Everton

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Would spend his time at Tottenham picking the bench splinters out of his ass. Would far prefer to see him at Hull or even Everton

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Soldado and Adebayor aren't setting the world on fire though.

Could work out and if it doesn't, Spurs probably wouldn't stand in his way if they recouped their transfer fee.

I'd say it won't happen for a few reasons though.