yeah but this thread is for "eligibility-type discussion".
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yeah but this thread is for "eligibility-type discussion".
It would still have been relevant to the lad though in his own thread surely. I suppose it depends on what you view as the purpose of a player thread; is it to discuss what he does during a specific 90 minutes once every weekend (so long as it's once he's moved on from the LOI :p) to the exclusion of everything else he might do or provoke, or should transfer rumours, jokes and discussion about and related to his conduct be allowed?
Anyway, we can agree to disagree.
Yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I suppose... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Hmm, some people are just too sanctimonius for their own good...
;)
Good to get discussion back on Nigel at last. Nice one AB. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Not to mention pedantry.
:rolleyes:
okay, now you've lost me...
Bin this thread. All the discussion is about James McClean...
McGinn certainly "didn't think twice" about representing Northern Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
I am unaware the Saint Patrick "thought twice" about playing for Northern Ireland - have you any links to prove your point?
Chris may not like our National Anthem, but he sure loves playing for Northern Ireland - been told the South opened the door for him, but he told them "no thanks".
How do you know? This is not zero sum - just because McGinn represents NI with honour and distinction, doesn't mean he might've chosen ROI if the door was open to him. Hypothetically both choices down on the table, it's almost certainly he'd choose ROI. Same goes for McCourt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
But it doesn't actually matter, I'm sure you'd agree. Both players, as mentioned (and witnessed last night), play for NI with pride (and so they should). But the only difference between them, and McClean, is timing and opportunity. If McClean was capped eight months ago he'd be representing NI with just as much passion as the others. But it wouldn't negate the fact all three would play ROI ball if they had the chance.
I'm not posting this to stir. It's just reality and I find it difficult to accept the antagonism to McClean when he simply did exactly what NI fans wanted - acted decisively on his future. The tide on eligibility is changing and players are more aware. That's a good thing. Yet it seems to me many NI fans refuse to acknowledge this reality and it's particularly strange since the NI McAttack so lauded last night could very, very easily have been another pair of McClean's.
BTW - about time McCourt got a chance. Take it you still want Nigel out?
There might be a little less antagonism if he hadn't pulled out of the squad at the last minute after initially accepting the call up. You must realise this makes him look like a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
It's a bad thing if players accept caps for NI junior sides, then effectively retire aged 18, 20 or whatever.Quote:
The tide on eligibility is changing and players are more aware. That's a good thing
Almost all acknowledge it. You can't reasonably expect them/ us to welcome it.Quote:
Yet it seems to me many NI fans refuse to acknowledge this reality
* it's a win, following one win in 19 matchesQuote:
Take it you still want Nigel out?
* largely down to failure to take half the games seriously, or persuade 'senior' players to do so
* succession of incoherent spats with players who then withdraw
* eight caps wasted on a schoolboy
So yes. Obviously he's unlilkely to go now. Should have been sacked after the Dublin Cup.
We'll probably finish fourth with 12 or 13 points.
Was it last minute? Nigel seemed very keen to avoid answering when McClean actually said no thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
He called Worthington three days after his call-up to declare his intention. Hardly last minute and doesn't indicated he accepted anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Awareness is increasing, it's a gradual improvement. It ain't gonna happen overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Don't realistically expect you to welcome it and the antagonism has been very pronounced, so I'm not convinced on the acknowledgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Thought as much. A decent win against the Faroes is hardly going to change the rest. If anything his continual ignoring of the Derry Pele was a sacking offence in itself. I'm not suggesting McCourt's necessarily going to make a huge difference against great teams, but he's got to be a better option than Warren Feeney and some of those other guys, as hard working as they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
The (FAI's) door was always open to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
McGinn chose to play for Northern Ireland, because, in his own words, he "was born in Northern Ireland".
McCourt & McGinn were both great last night.
I take a less hostile approach with our Nige to most of our fans.
He competitive record stacks up against that of the previous incumbent - who some get very misty eyed and deluded about.
Still only one competitive defeat at Windsor under Nige's stewardship.
Best post. Ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
See Swans post above. Little I would add to that. Except my pal from Doire who knows McCourt's family says it's rather more that that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
But you're stuck with each other, now, so make the limited best of it.
As for McGinn, what has Korea to do with anything??
Except as other posters said he didn't. Add a diary to the atlas for the wishlist...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Why? Isn't all football at that level a matter of 'choice'?Quote:
It's a bad thing if players accept caps for NI junior sides, then effectively retire aged 18, 20 or whatever.
But why not? Even the most gormless should be aware of the GFA/CAS Ruling by now....Quote:
Almost all acknowledge it. You can't reasonably expect them/ us to welcome it.
I don't think Patrick hesitated when he got the call up to the Tuaisceart Éireann senior squad in 2002?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Perhaps you know different?
What's the GFA got to do with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Were people from Tuaisceart Éireann not entitled to Citizenship of the South before then?
Is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Can my son play for Brazil?
Well I don't have a time machine, but know it was the case around a year ago, so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Erm, unsure what your point is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Talking about numerous apologists in the North, who're completely ignorant even now eg. The BT, as you :rolleyes: should know fine well from reading this thread??
Not with that handle name...Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
;)