His contract would be enough to suggest it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
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His contract would be enough to suggest it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
No, if we lose to Gibraltar - expect unanimous support.Quote:
Originally Posted by zero
I actually thought whilst watching that he wasn't as enthusiastic or as confident as he has been in the past regardless of who we faced. I feel like he's lost a bit of his belief in himself and the team and just being able to get results. Could well be reading too much into it but its not like his previous interviews. I'm not sure which thread it was on but someone mentioned, and kenny himself, doing well against the bigger sides that's another misnomer we picked up 2 points of a possible 12 from the last two higher seeded teams for WC qualification. Its not on a par with previous regimes(even McCarthy managed 3 in his second coming) than previous regimes and in no way is that good enough or anywhere near enough to get 2nd(possible even 3rd in this group).Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I have always really liked and still do like Kenny and thought initially he did a great job at Dundalk( Cyprus away and another couple of performances had me wondering about him), I just find the media hypocrisy is a bit silly at this stage. It's almost like the Bank Job.
Draw v FRA & NED at home
Lose to both away.
4 wins v Greece and Gibraltar
14 points.
Miss out on 2nd and miss out on playoff.
It would be good if the FAI had some foresight at that stage and give SK the job for 2026 also. Lead an experienced squad to the USA.
Ha. Meanwhile you?re busy talking down France and Netherlands, no doubt preparing the ground for a fresh chorus of Kenny out when we don?t finish in the top two ahead of two of the best teams in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
Do you know we've lost to Luxembourg, Armenia and have had a whole host of embarrassing results under Kenny? Come near the bottom of every group? It's not some conspiracy against him, he's actually been a woeful manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Ignore and move on Tony. I speak from experience. 😅Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Average age of the starting XI under Mick McCarthy: All games: 28.65, Competitive: 29.48Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
Average age of the starting XI under Stephen Kenny: All games: 26.78, Competitive: 26.75
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Originally Posted by Eirambler
hourihane started every game in that campaign. he was some bit useful 2.5 year ago , not useful at all today though. bizarre to be blaming kenny for playing him then
"no result will be bad enough to justify his sacking" but it will though. if we get tonked 3/4-0 by france or holland it'll be enough to see him gone. then you might be happy
Hourihane was useless then and he's useless now. While I lost any remaining hope for Kenny ever doing anything as manager following the second Armenia debacle, I will never wish for the team to lose games. But at the same time I know we won't qualify for a tournament - short of auto qualifying as hosts - until he's gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Nice dodge.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
;) Yeah, I should know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
I wasn't talking about Kenny's whole term. Things changed after Luxembourg when it was all about building for 2024 because we were eliminated. McCarthy's last game in charge had a team with an average age of 28.7. That was with Glenn Whelan. Kenny's team for the playoff game v Slovakia had an average age of 29.10, with no Whelan.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
No dodge. He's been criticised because he's been an awful manager for Ireland, it's that simple. Why shouldn't we compete with any team to qualify for major tournaments? In the recent past we've nearly always been competitive in qualification groups and when we haven't been, the manager has got fired. Kenny is extremely lucky to survive this far.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
The average age against Denmark was 29.47. The average age against Slovakia was 29.76, and you're ignoring that we played two games (both competitive) between Denmark and Slovakia, with an average of 27.46(v Bulgaria) and 26.78(v Finland)Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
I'm just doing quick calculations, basically taking there ages now and taking away 2 but you get the point. There wasn't much difference between McCarthys team and Kenny's for the first 10 games at least. Take Glenn Whelan out and swap him with a 20 year old and it turns it into a low 28 year old team? Look at the line ups, that was the main difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
https://www.the42.ie/will-smallbone-3-5889743-Oct2022/ really idiotic comments on hodge here from kenny. Always strikes me as wanting to show everyone he is the most knowledgeable in the room so has to bring Ronan into the conversation in a way that comes across as belittling hodge
He's a fool. Asked about Joe Hodge and basically says he prefers Conor Ronan
I have no issue with him hyping up Ronan but in that context it's really disappointing. Why not say something along the lines of -- "it's great to see a young Irish player make his premier league debut. I will be monitoring his progress closely and if he continues to feature, I'm open minded about fast tracking him into my senior setup."
Give Hodge a boost, let him know he is being tracked -- and that there's a path to a senior breakthrough.
I really don't understand why Kenny would be so casual given the players at his disposal have really struggled at stages during the Nations League campaign.
I'd be more concerned about the merits of playing Malta in preparation for the campaign.
Ah lads, we can't leave this fella in charge. I'd say Southgate will be straight onto Hodge with those comments in hand.
easy to know you are trolling now. hodge wouldnt make their 21 squad not to mind the seniors.Quote:
Originally Posted by BOOMSHAKALAKA
Is Kenny casting doubt on Hodge?s long term Irish future there ? Does Kenny know something the rest of us don?t know ?Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
It's poorly phrased, assuming the qoute is accurate. I'd imagine what he's getting at is Ronan is older, has been involved in his squads and has much more senior football experience. As such, he'd be much easier to bring directly into the team/squad immediately.
I've no doubt if Hodge keeps getting significant playing time Kenny will bring him straight in, but chances are this was a one off and he'll be bench warming with Ronan until the loan window opens. After which, Ronan is the more likely to get a loan and start playing senior football again and to be a viable squad option. Hodge is much more likely to bench warm and play 21s for Wolves.
Am yeah, it would be no use to Southgate to go after him in a few years would it? That's if he fulfills his potential. The same as he's gone after other players for England who qualified for other countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Well if he is about to switch why would he have bothered been in with the 20s at the end of last season with the ludicrous game against the amateur irish side then come back for that 21s stretch of fixtures in June where he saw no game time and then show back up again in September? He doesn't need the Irish set up for his career he has his 3 year deal at wolves and he is coming back from year out injured be much easier to stay at wolves and use international breaks to make impression in first team training.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Also if he is switching he should tell his dad so he can stop tweeting shamrock and tricolour emoji s and been supportive of Irish football
I I'm surprised he didn't say he wished it was nathan Fraser who was involved as he was hoping for a centre forward to come throughQuote:
Originally Posted by passinginterest
I don't think it's that bad but if Ronan is as good as he says why hasn't he been involved more often, his comments don't match his actionsQuote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
He could have been a bit more inclusive when it comes to Hodge but I think he's saying here the focus is getting the current squad ready for the euro campaign. Again that's fair enough but I'd be worried that he thinks the players he's been picking have been doing as well as he always keeps saying we've done.
Regarding Ronan - he was one of their best players in pre-season and after the season began but before the window closed, they bought Mateus Nunes. It basically pushed Ronan down the pecking order.
It?s tough for him because he may well be good enough to make it at a premier league side - and it was a now or never season. If he goes down a division, it?ll be a while before he gets back, if ever. I can totally see why, when wolves wanted him to stay, he was happy to try stick it out
As for Hodge, previously Kenny spoke about him being a guy they were keeping an eye on and someone who could be fast tracked. Personally, I don?t think he looks quite the same since the injury. He?s a little more wooden in his movements. Cracking prospect, but I feel like he had the potential, before the injury, to be a genuinely world class player (ala Declan Rice, Jack Grealish) and now it?s more like Josh Cullen?s level?
Someone mentioned his dad, met him when Joe was playing for the 17s. Genuinely one of the nicest lads you?ll ever meet.
Hodge made a highly impressive debut on Saturday in the PL. I don't think Cullen ever made a PL appearance, so there is some evidence that he might make it to a higher level. I'll concede that it's not a huge amount to go on, but neither would I write him off as being a Cullen-level player (Though Josh is our best midfielder at the minute). Kenny's remarks are indicative of a peculiar conservatism or stubbornness. If he's saying that he will be relying on the existing squad for the next campaign, rather than looking to bring in promising talent that like Hodge, then he is likely condemning us to another failed campaign. Do we persist with Hourihane and Hendrick rather than giving Hodge an opportunity, even if Hodge continues to progress and get minutes? I like Ronan. but again does it make sense to suggest he's ahead of Hodge simply because he is older and has played more senior football at a lower level? Wales have shown the way in blooding and integrating young players who may not have a great deal of experience but are perceived to have the talent and potential to become international quality players. Kenny's approach has been much more haphazard, bringing in some young players (especially in forward positions where he had little option) but being too slow to promote to the young players who are actually showing the most promise and quality (Collins and Obafemi). If there is any consistent principle guiding his selection, it seems to be making decisions about players and then stubbornly sticking to them.
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In May 2019, then Ireland Under-21 manager Stephen Kenny praised Hodge's capabilities after watching him impress during Ireland's 1-1 draw with Belgium at the Under-17 Euros.
Kenny spoke to the RTE panel about Hodge?s natural talent, saying, "He's a classic, natural midfield player."
"He understands the game for one so young, he has a great appreciation for space. He takes great angles to receive the ball, and has great feet, good vision and a range of passing. He's got a lot."
https://www.otbsports.com/soccer/hod...e-year-1054745
Kenny is clearly a fan, and has been for some time.Quote:
Sitting in the stand watching Ireland's U-19s eke a draw from their Euro U-19 finals opener last night, Stephen Kenny could be seeing paying special attention to Joe Hodge. The youngest player in the Ireland squad displayed coolness beyond his 16 years by burying an equaliser nine minutes from full-time against Norway.
Kenny last week contended that the FAI lost out on Jack Grealish and Declan Rice for not fast-tracking them into the senior ranks early enough.
Manchester-born Hodge is likely to be the next dual-eligible player England will intensify their pursuit of and Kenny, due to replace Mick McCarthy next year, may decide to apply his philosophy early into his reign.
https://www.independent.ie/sport/soc...-38316496.html
Lads havent been on here in a while and I havent gone back through the thread. The draw has brought a question to my mind of what would be enough in the Euro group to keep people satisfied enough for Kenny to continue into following world cup campaign.
Im not sure I know what would satisfy me to be honest, that group we got is completely deflating.
1. 2 draws and 2 defeats against France and Holland, but we take 4 pts from Greece.
2. 1 win against France or Holland, 3 pts from Greece
3. 0 points against France and Holland but 6 pts from Greece.
Would any of those 3 scenarios satisfy us here?
Any 3 of those will satisfy at least 56% of the people on here
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Originally Posted by Razors left peg
None of those - if we are to show genuine progression at this point, six points from Greece (and Gibraltar!) and four from twelve against Holland and France. That should take us back within sight of where we were under our previous three managers (okay it would be slightly better than Mick's campaign).
Two quick notes - on the Hodge issue, would it have been so hard for Kenny to say "yes he's a talented lad, it's great to see him get a run-out, we will monitor him closely over the next few weeks and make a decision about inclusion in the squad for the friendlies" because that's exactly what he should be doing
Secondly, if we look at our last seven permanent managers, we had four who had managerial experience at English second level and above - all four got us to a major championship and got us to a play-off when it was available on all occasions bar one. The other three managers have yet to achieve either of these once (OK, our Nations League performance might squeeze us into the playoffs this time).
When was the last time we beat a mid-ranking team like Greece home and away? Or beat a side of the calibre of France or Holland in qualifying?Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
You've the Germany win in 2015 as our only big win since Holland in 2001, and for home/away wins against a mid-ranking side I think you're looking at Northern Ireland in Italia 90 qualifying (who'd reached the previous World Cup)
But you reckon both could happen here? Come on.
Austria & Wales in 2018 qualifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Both of which were far more impressive than potentially beating Greece away.
We didn't beat either home and away though (decent and all as those wins undoubtedly were)
And in fact we didn't beat the North home and away in Italia 90 qualifying either
4pts v Greece
4pts v Fra / Ned combined
6pts v Gib
Anything better than that would be unreal! Need to qualify for Kenny to keep his job imo - he's had a chance to refresh the squad which was badly needed - but its a results business now.
If we, for example were edged out on goal difference by one of the big two and unluckily missed a playoff then - maybe he could claim that he deserves the 2026 WC but I doubt he'd get it.
I think this would be a very good return with 14 points. I think anything less than 11 points (6 from Gibraltar, 3 from Greece and 2 combined from the big two maybe?) would be fairly described as lousy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
We need to finish ahead of France or Holland for him to keep his job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
No we don't. I think we need to finish ahead of Greece for him to keep his job, but if we got the points you've outlined (which I don't think we're capable of; Holland are a fair bit better than Serbia and reigning World Champions France are still ranked ahead of Portugal in the Elo despite a lousy Nations League, and you're never entirely sure how seriously teams treat the competition) then we likely wouldn't qualify but it would certainly justify a contract extension.
All pending a deeper analysis than just results of course - performance levels, opposition teams leaving key players out because they're focused on a different match, etc.