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Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
Staggering hypocrisy from Kerr given that, as far as I recall, it was under his under age tenure that Nothern players such as Crossley started declaring in earnest....
I've a lot of time for Kerr but he can be very inconsistent in his arguements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
Also I believe I'm correct in saying that the broad belief among NI supporters that the FAI are actively poaching/canvassing/sounding out players, who've hitherto played for the IFA but aren't yet tied, is based on an unsolicitied approach to Chris Baird from one Brian Kerr way back 2003 direction. Baird himself is apparently the source of this information.
That's a misrepresentation of NB's contribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
UEFA give Darron's UEFA Competition debut for our Under 17's on 21/10/03 against Austria. He was still 15 at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
The recruitment of Gerry Armstrong is a good move, it's proactive - in contrast to the negative, small minded, under-seige, mindset of the OWC and their cohorts, in their attitude to the young Irish players born in the North.
Nigel Worthington 'respects' James McClean decision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjSCV...eature=related
McElduff's response confirmed. Kerr be a 'disgrace'.
I would really rather not have politicians butting in on this, and I can easily imagine a DUPper getting in on this on behalf of the NI supporters and it escalating beyond any sense of perspective. BUT...McElduff's right and Kerr comes across as downright disingenuous. I don't know about him 'not' making it easy for players, or whatever, but he certainly took advantage of eligibility where possible if the player was good enough.
This in particular sticks in the craw:
I think both NI and ROI supporters can agree that you've totally missed the point there Brian. It's not about footballing ability - it's about choosing to play for your country, with the inherent risk you may miss out on international football altogether. These guys would rather play for ROI - their country - or not play at all. Better all round. You silly WUM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Kerr
McGinn and McCourt for starters, despite the latter's goals v. the Faroes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
As that recent photo showed, Chris Baird's not too keen on the pro-German dirge.
And Lee Camp obviously, as his international career started elsewhere.
Soon to be joined also by Alex Bruce....
Been told McCourt wanted to play for Ireland, but the door wasn't sufficiently open.
And 'South'? Korea??
:confused:
Seems that it was Stephen Kenny (as per his comments on OTB tonight) who brought McClean to the attention of the IFA after they had ignored him post-Milk Cup and McClean himself had no thoughts either way until he was called into the NI squad for tonight's game.
Whatever the rights & wrongs, McClean should be afforded his own thread...
maybe when he makes his first appearance for Sunderland and we can talk about his game and not about his decision. Thats what this thread should be used for.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Yes, of course, the history of his career is of no relevance...
His appearances for Derry don't count?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
At least McElduff is a bit closer to the mark than most who decide to have a say on the issue in the media under their purported expertise when he says the GFA "secured" the right. I suppose it did copper-fasten it in a way, although it's not as if the right wasn't there before hand or as if FIFA had ever disputed it, even after the IFA made an issue of it in 1994 to the FIFA Players' Status Committee in Zurich.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
As for Kerr, I think these comments also betray a serious misunderstanding (strange for a man with a Belfast father?):
It's disappointing to hear him talk of identities possibly changing or whatever when Irish nationals in the north are just as Irish as anyone born south of the border. Why should people adopt some new identity that is foreign to them when their current identity is just as valid as anyone else's? It's as if to accuse nationalists of possessing a false or temporary national identity and it's more akin to something you'd expect from a dyed-in-the-wool loyalist back in the 1970s, to be honest.Quote:
"I know some of the northern players have an identity with the Republic because of the communities they're living in. I think, over time, that can change," he said.
Beyond the fact the FAI aren't actually taking advantage of the GFA, that's a daft comment insofar as every other association in the world similarly uses the scope of their country's nationality laws to their advantage and in line with the rules.Quote:
"But I don't think the Republic should be taking advantage of the Belfast Agreement to the extent they're using it in football as a way of recruiting players."
I think Kerr is vying for Worthington's job.
nice try but you know thats not what i meant. You werent discussing the history of his career in the thread that you all caused to be binned. It wouldnt have been binned if you had been talking about his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
not in this forum they dont. Never seen his appearances for Derry mentioned in this forum before. You? EL players dont typically get a thread here until they move.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Getting dumped by Miss Ireland must do strange things to a man. Y'hear stories about her occasionally, your ex. How she got into an awful state with her new guy 'Steve' over in Cyprus. The road accident in San Marino - the two old ladies who died. He makes her call him 'the gaffer'. It makes your blood boil. You were her gaffer once. You know he's a bad influence on her but it don't change the fact she's moved on. Last you heard she'd hooked up with some wealthy old Italian dude. Two guys in a row with exotic accents...you feel inadequate. Someone mentions that he watches DVDs of them together. That dirty b@stard you think to yourself, as the boats pull into Tórshavn. She's not taking as many beatings these days but hell, that's small consolation.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
And then you happen to run into her plump, illegitimate cousin. She's got identity and abandonment issues. Some say she's trouble.
But you think hmmm...
I'd hit that.
http://foot.ie/threads/102730-Keith-Fahey?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
http://foot.ie/threads/13833-Jason-Byrne?
http://foot.ie/threads/47151-Roy-O-Donovan?
http://foot.ie/threads/58807-Wes-Hoolahan?
http://foot.ie/threads/53756-Emelka-Onwubiko?
In fact, that thread for Onwubiko features 13 pages (i.e. the entire thread) discussing pretty much anything but Onwubiko, never mind his football; from nationalised citizens playing for us to multiculturalism to "plastic paddies" to the nature of Irishness itself...
And you should be well aware of these two yourself:
http://foot.ie/threads/124093-Conor-Powell?
http://foot.ie/threads/121274-Brian-Murphy?
That's because McClean only ever mentioned that we were in his plans three days ago; the day the thread was started. Prior to that, there had been no indication in the slightest - be it rumour, paper-talk or something from the player himself - that he'd even been considering switching. Actually, it would have been fair to assume otherwise as he was playing with NI at under-age level, seemed to express disappointment in the Derry Journal that he'd been ignored by Worthington for their senior set-up about a month or two ago and was then called up to their squad the other day. In light of that, it never appeared there was any need to discuss him or his appearances for Derry as it didn't seem like he'd ever be an option for us, but I think his appearances are entirely relevant now he's expressed his intentions to play for us, even if he was still with Derry such was his profile in the league. Anyway, he's an Irish player at a Premiership club now; of course his thread should never have been binned.Quote:
not in this forum they dont. Never seen his appearances for Derry mentioned in this forum before. You?
I think you've just won the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sullivinho
7 players in the history of the EL. Im taking you at face value that these were started before they moved to England.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Thank you for proving my point.
heres the thing Danny. Very few in that thread were discussing McClean let alone specific appearances for Derry. I counted two, maybe three, general critiques of the player. By the time the 1st page of the thread had ended it had already been taken over by the usual suspects AGAIN rehashing the same old arguments AGAIN. I agree he should have his own thread now, of course I do, but it shouldnt be another thread about eligibility which it had become - take a read of it again if you dont believe me, its actually quite an absurd thread. Any McClean thread should be about his future performances (and past performances too if you insist).Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
They were just a few I found off the top of my head whose threads were started whilst playing in the League of Ireland. I'm sure there are more. Anyway, I still think that eligibility talk could have been thrown in here, or just that binned alone if it was so bad. But his decision was always going to spark eligiblity-type discussion as it came as such a surprise. It was undeniably newsworthy.