Drawing Manure or the likes will surely mean Aviva. Although it could be a disaster if they're pitted with more obscure teams.
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Drawing Manure or the likes will surely mean Aviva. Although it could be a disaster if they're pitted with more obscure teams.
Gutted for Dundalk, gave it everything, legs were gone with 15 to go, what galls me is the likes of Celtic fall over the line into the group stages given the gulf in resources. Still group stages of the Europa is no bad thing to fall back on. Hopefully they can draw the likes of United in their group.
Legia Warsaw should have had a penalty when it was still 1-0.
So that cancels out the decision given against Dundalk in the Aviva.
Referee was good I thought.
Some ball by McEleney and sublime weighted cross by Horgan in the build up to that overhead kick that went over the bar.
I think Dundalk can be reasonably pleased with the account they gave of themselves; they carved out a few decent chances.
Think they will get some points off the board in the EL unlike Shamrock.
And hopefully more to add come the EL group.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Dundalk were unlucky not to convert a second but did the league proud. I really thought it was on there after Legia got the man sent off. Unfortunately, Dundalk were too tired to really capitalise.
That €7,005,000 that Dundalk are going to take in, will go an awful long way. It's the little extras that really make the difference.
Were the players guaranteed a 6 figure payment of they qualified today?
Oh I was looking at that over the week and seeing who was where. It's an absolute minefield to figure out who are the big guns and who you would like. 22 qualified so far. 26 places still up for grabs between the 5 remaining CL playoffs and 22 el playoff matches left.Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
Some tricky away teams to get too. And we certainly will be the team with the lowest coefficient providing partizani Tirana don't overturn a 4 goal 1st leg defeat.
We will pick up points but the league is gone now for this season.
I saw cork at the weekend, your reserves would beat that lot to the title. They are awful. Dundalk will win the titleQuote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
Fair point re the squad size but how do you keep a squad of around 24 happy when games are trickling by in march and April. Also results could of gone the other way and we could be out at the FH round. (Jesus how long ago that seems )Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
We had them on the racks prior to the sending off but we had nothing left mentally or physically to move the ball and threaten them. Literally ran out of steam
No qualms about the result. Terrific performance and we left it all out there tonight.
Maybe it is an inferiority complex we have against c class European teams like bate and legia. I was fearing both would turn the notches up against us in the 2nd legs. It never happened. Maybe we are not as far off as we think we are. Just possie with a stronger league and if we were in more of those positions we might of been able to dig deep.
But what a team and squad and manager we have. I do lament that we only avg 2500 this year. This team deserves more
Have to say, Legia were the better team over two legs and deserved to go through.
But jaysus - take down that fella in the last minute in Lansdowne and suddenly you don't need to press forward for a late winner; you sit back, take it to extra time and tire the ten men out.
There's a serious amount of passive goodwill amongst the Irish barstool public towards Dundalk; it really does feel like a time to invest in and drive the LoI on. Would be great to see it happen, but...
Oh - and Benson.... :love:
Dunno about that, I followed a link to that Joe.ie tonight and when I was there, clicked on the football tab and of course there was nothing about tonights game, and its places like that Barstoolers consume their football.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You forgot,Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
West Ham United vs Astra Giurgiu
Shaktar Donetsk vs Istanbul Basaksehir
Rapid Wien vs Trencin
Just going by the comments down the pub really. Seriously impressed by Benson's goal, and a fair few taking real interest in the match, though professing they knew bugger all about the league. Of course, a long way to go to turn that into bums on seats, but far from the dismissive attitude you often get.Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
I've noticed it a lot more this year. Even more than other high watermark years; 2004, 2011. I mean my Dad has watched some of the matches on his own and he has zero interest in Sport, never mind the LOI. Was talking to me about the 1st leg when we were out on Saturday. I thought I was in some parallel Universe!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Europa league money will be great for dundalk but won't make them automatic league winners for t ge next few years like champions league money would have. Competitive league and hopefully others stepping up. Good times for the league
Every manager before Kenny (with the possible exception of Baraclough) in the last 15 years has done it though. If anything, the stupidly short season should make it easier to keep a big squad happy. Although it must be said Dundalk have done an incredible job dominating with a small squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by jinxy lilywhite
All in all, I think it was a chance missed for Dundalk and it all goes back, as PStu says, to not taking out the Legia lad in injury time last week. Like BATE, they were really rocked tonight and without the injuries and suspensions I think you'd have got the job done. Europa League will be interesting now - you'll definitely put up a better fight than we were able to.
Dundalk's EL group could contain at least two teams better than Legia. I think Legia finished last in their EL group last year with a win and a draw. Dundalk will be doing well to pickup a win and a draw. Rovers didn't get any points.
It has taken 5 years for a champion to get past their first qualifying round and also to make the EL group stage. With the knockout nature of the qualifying rounds, it could be at least another 2 or 3 years before the league's champion get through their first CL qualifying round.
Fantastic effort by Dundalk. Never thought I would see the days when a LOI team was pushing on for a 2 goal away win in Poland in a Champions League qualifier. More than that they looked and played like they believed they were on a level with the teams they've played this year. A win or two in the Europa league would be a massive leap forward for the domestic game and should put one or two of their players in the shake up for the international squad. Sadly it will also mean a few of the team heading across the water but Stephen Kenny deserves huge praise for what he has achieved
There's no reason Dundalk cannot go on and strengthen their squad from here and push for CL group next season. They could well set aside 500k of the money for next seasons playing budget amd have one year to push at it. They'd have to spend wisely though.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiffRaff
Maybe they would, but their first team has lost to us 3 times already this season and haven't scored a goal. Don't worry though, we'll do enough on our side to ensure Dundalk win the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
I missed the game last night, but Bensons goal was incredible. Overall it was a great effort, I just hope they dont go on to draw a team that draws better support here than themselves.
https://twitter.com/SportsJOEdotie/s...64106700328960Quote:
Originally Posted by redarmyfaction
Twitting the goal last night anyway.
Wonder how many people switched over as a result?
Being disappointing about entering the Europa League groups after missing out on the Champions League sums up this club IMO. How far we have come in the last few years. What a group of players we have, always striving to achieve more and not accepting anything but 110%.
We went to Iceland and pulled the tie back after going a goal down. We went to BATE and hung in for a 1-0 nil loss, and smashed them in Tallaght. Given no chance against Legia we got done with a dodgy peno & gifted them a poor 2nd goal at home.
We went over there last night and every player on that pitch was immense. They all gave 110% and it was one of the proudest moments i've had as a Dundalk supporter watching each and every player on that pitch.
The big thing for me was the confidence in the players to take the ball and play on such a big stage and look comfortable. There may have been misplaced passes here and there but the telling thing is that the next time the ball came to them they were willing to take the ball and make them passes again.
We will take points in the group stages.
I find it strange to be waking up dissapointed after that match, but surely the Europa League will be a huge bonus for Dundalk an their players?
I'll be looking forward to such games again that's for sure!
A lot of things fell into place for Dundalk on this run, and they got better as they went along. The pieces won't fall as kind next time. The opportunity that created itself last night, was there, and it will be a few years before it all works out again into the perfect opening. I don't necessarily agree, with the pulling the man down being the obvious thing, barrett did it yesterday and it gave Legia valuable time when Dundalk really needed to create that final opening. Thats what they did last week by not giving away the foul, the realisation that pulling the man down, threw away whatever last chance Dundalk had in equalising in Dublin. In a two legged affair where away goals matter so much a 1-1 is a huge difference to a 0-1, there isn't a huge difference between a 0-1 and a 0-2 at that point. Again its easy say that in hindsight, but had they not pulled him down, and got one final chance and scored no one would be commenting on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
It's a lot easier to put up these big performances once off or so, when the carrot is being dangled in front of you. But hopefully they can keep that level for Europa and get a few points.
The team did very well in keep possession unlike any Ireland international match against similar opposition, O'Neill and Keane could learn from that. They only started to misplace passes or overhit or mistime passes as the legs tired. Having said that I was a little bit disappoitned by horgan, he lost the ball or gave poor passes too many times over the last two games, when this was his real chance to impress. He also faded in and out too often.
I don't take the argument either that Legia were much better, they might have better players, they might consistently perform at a higher level, but over two legs there was very little between the two sides. A bigger budget proved the difference in fresh legs and impetus coming on for Legia. Dundalk lacked in the final third, but everywhere else it was a very even match. And again thats another reason why I think it was a missed opportunity, BATE looked way more dangerous at home than Legia did over two legs - but I am sure they can perform to a higher level, they just didnt do it over 180 mins against Dundalk.
Nobody has been seeded since Rovers went out in 2012, so that has to be considered as a factor. Whether Dundalk would again should they win the League, really depends on whether they'll be seeded. At the moment based on lowest ranked seeds in QR2 this year, they wouldn't be seeded. Still need a draw minimum but most likely a win to be sure of being seeded, if my calculations are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Great display by Dundalk last night, congrats to Stephen Kenny and all involved. eventually the task of chasing a 2 goal deficit proved to much for Dundalk but they gave it a real rattle and did the LOI proud.
Funny but I felt a lot more pride watching Dundalk last night than I did watching Ireland in the euros, maybe easier to appreciate Dundalk fans perspective than many of the Oirish day trippers.
id say Dundalk were glad to see so may "day trippers" in Lansdowne last week thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by marinobohs
Would be even 'gladder' to see them more often ;) I have no great problem with the day trippers, more the merrier, just don't feel an affinity with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
While every team needs a bit of luck to progress in Europe, I don't think Dundalk got overly lucky during their run. They played very well considering the level of our league and I think they got as far as they deserved to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
You're kind of playing the percentages with that line, Paul. It's unlikely they'll progress this far again next year, but if they're seeded next year and they get a kind draw, you never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Correct. Horgan was Dundalk's poorest player last night. I hope he ups his performaces in the EL.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Perhaps, but so are you by using Buts and Ifs. The draw is important, and they got better at every round, maybe flatlined a bit in this one, but still more than held their own. I just think lots of things worked in their favour, I wouldn't say it was being overly lucky. I include the lad getting sent off last night, it was harsh enough, with 10 men they still didn't capitalise. I actually thought that lad should have been booked twice last week and I think I said it on here, so maybe that one evens itself out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosophizer
Did the players get a 40k bonus for getting this far?
Rovers weren't seeded in 2012. Dundalk may be seeded if they draw one game, probably will be seeded if they win a game and almost certainly will be seeded if they can earn 3 points in the groupQuote:
Originally Posted by ger121
If they win the league of course
Great effort by Dundalk last night but just ran out of steam in the last 20 minutes.
They did the League of Ireland proud.
Wonderful goal from Benson.
Mention also the excellent Norwegian referee who made sure that Legia didn't get away with what that German referee let go last week. If this guy had been the referee last week who knows what might have happened.
Do (significant) UEFA Solidarity Payments only depend on CL qualification by the way?
So there was talk of E3.1m for the LoI if Dundalk qualified - is there any such boost at all now?
Good news. There are still solidarity payments for the league even with Dundalk "only" getting EL. It's only about 10% of what it would have been if they qualified for the CL, but still, better than nothing - approx €381k according to the sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Pretty decent considering all the prize money for the league in 2015 amounted to about 380k
http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepa...in-Europe.html
Feck Dundalk- we needed that money!
Taken from this: http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepa...in-Europe.htmlQuote:
That would work out at around €381,000 per league, with a further portion then added for the nation’s TV market share.
Not sure how that's distributed, whether just premier clubs or not.
same from my Dad and brothers. All watched the game more than just cos I told them to. My Dad was ranting about how it def wasnt a peno and could easily have held on for 0-0 at home. He was surprised to see a decent game from them etc.
Alot of things need to come together to improve the league's standing in civil society though...
That's right. Ekranus were the lowest seeded side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Dodge, you do remember it's 3 points for a win these days and not two:p
Maybe not quite the right forum, but I think it's relevant, Cork City will play in the UEFA Youth League. Having U.19 winners participating at this level should be a good boost the the U.19 league and should help clubs to attract and keep players. It will be very interesting to see how they get on, our underage clubs always seem to manage decent results in friendlies and tournaments so I'm very curious to see how they cope in this competition.
http://www.the42.ie/cork-city-uefa-y...45459-Aug2016/
Presuming of course that Dear Leader and the Party saw fit to share the wealth with the ProletariatQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr A