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Nicolita for Steaua looked liked by far their best player over two legs, it was bad news when they brought him especially seen as St.Pats tactics were becoming necessarily kamikaze at that stage. It showed that they had Steaua worried anyway. Its a good time to play Pats in the next league game I would think, they put in an awful lot of effort and had the disappointment of losing two late goals.
CSKA Sofia beat Dynamo Moscow by the same scoreline they beat us (2-1).
great effot from pats by the sounds of it.
They lost!
Great effort, unfortunate result.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
unlucky pat's
I was really impressed with Pats, they played as good as they could have, on other days, they could have scored 3 or 4 goals in the 2 ties, but the only disappointment, is the way Steaua scored their 5 goals, all avoidable imo.
Just a thought maby next year Irish clubs have to start believing that they can play football and not feel the need to live up to stereotypes? Pat's looked very good tonight when they went looking for goals and looked as good on the ball as Steaua.
How about we try to play a fast attacking style of football? Why is it assumed we can't because sure we're Irish?
Bohs easily could've went through against Salzburg.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Shamrock Rovers will do very well next year in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
It depends will they be able to invest in some signings? You need to have a bit of financial muscle to breakthrough in Europe. Just looking at the APOEL side and theres quiote a few Portuguese playing for them.
At the game last night, cracking atmosphere from both sets of fans.
First half was pretty dire, jesus it felt so long.
Second half was way better, and Pats were unlucky not too make it two.
Steaua were lucky to get the win in the end. The second goal must have been a mile offside, but that linesman was making mistakes all night.
Whatever about the result, Pats did the league proud this year.
Cracking atmosphere last night, had a real European feel to it. fair play to the Romanians who came out in droves. Any got the attendence figure?
thought Pats knocked it around very well at times.
If Ryan Guy had of shown some composure in the first half...
If Cawleys free kick had've went in....
If Rogers came out for the first goal...
if the Linesman hadve put his flag up....
Ah we can but dream. excellant preformance overall and hopefully it gives us the impetus to push on in the League and the FAI Cup.
Overall i dont think anyone gave Pats a hope this year in Europe, what with all the players that left from last years cup run, so kudos to Jeff Kenna and the lads....
Sorry, ya that post sounded bad, but in fairness by the sounds of it, unfortunately i couldn't get to see this one, they played very well for 80+ mins bar a silly mistake and an offside, and should have scored at least 1 more if not 2 by the sounds of it... A real pity but plenty to be gained from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ped_ped
Wouldn't say easily or they would have went through.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeathDrog
Also the result between Haifa and Salzburg kinda puts the Glentoran result into perspective. Haifa would have beat any team on this island quite convincently.
Steaua's Nicolita cops a good feel! LOL
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Considering Hearts were 4:0 down from the first leg, I suspect Zagreb may have taken it relatively easy for last night.Quote:
Originally Posted by GalwayRed
Well done Pats and hard luck. If Irish teams can keep plugging away year-on-year, then at some point luck will favour us in the draws and/or games and we'll make the breakthrough (finances allowing, of course).
What was the attendance last night ?
id say he got more than that after the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
I assume it was his number he put there ;) :D
I see Ventspils of Latvia were in the draw for the Europa League groups stages today.. If they can make it through then I don't see any reason why a LOI team cannot do the same in the next few years..
it will happen for sure but the worst thing is, the way things are looking it will be Rovers.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
Thery certaintly should have put them out. Four austrian clubs including salzburg qualified for the europa cup group stages mind. Impressive for a small country like Austria.Quote:
Originally Posted by MeathDrog
haha:D It's more than likely Bohs will be in the Champions League again next year and the experience of Salzburg will only help the players. With a good run Bohs could make the Europa League Group Stages.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
we will have a very different squad next year. Ill remain hopeful though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Umberside
And don't forget the Moldovans - Sheriff Tiraspol or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
The three countries ranked below us with representatives in the group stages - Debrecen(Hun)(CL), Ventsplis(Lat)(EL) and Sheriff(Mol)(EL) - show that the best chance of doing that lies with our champions league place, a favourable draw and/or a big result and your in that last qualifying round guaranteed EL group stages.
Course the other team have to get results too, and I think the next step is to regularly get two teams to last qualifying round.
Despite what the naysayers say we are making progress. Its going to get tougher just staying where we are, not helped by the on going situations at various clubs. But considering how well our teams did this year, certainly better than I expected, I'm hopeful that breakthrough is coming.
id love to see the budgets of these teams out of interest...Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
No irish team will break the groups anytime soon, the play off round puts up vs a team that has easily 10 times an LOIs budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by holidaysong
Having seen it twice now with Hertha and Steaua for all our effort, they had another gear in them could score when they wanted too.
Great effort by us last night and last season but we not good enough not even close tbh.
Sad thing is if our owner gave us a Kabillion euro and said sign any players in the LOI i dont see a single one that would perform better than how we did last night in any position.
Bohs may think they could have but the reality is they wouldnt, when you come vs these kind of teams we will get beat, at least we getting tru 2 rounds to play them (3 for others next season).
The way an LOI team will get into the Europa League group stages will be through the CL.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdjaC
Winnign through 2 rounds means you're guaranteed automatic group stage place in the Europa league doesn't it?
Still a while off but more realistic that gettin to the group stages through the Europa league itself
You never know. A lucky draw and next year we might do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Still 2 rounds to get tru in that, our league at the moment doesnt have a team capable of breaking Europe. Certainly wont next season unless we in it but thats unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
We simply cant afford it, romanian lad was telling me the amount Steaua cutting from their budget via wage cuts is 1.2 million thats our budget or thereabouts for the season :confused:
I think with a decent/lucky draw, we have teams capable of getting through 2 CL rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by kdjaC
Yeah, it will take luck and probably a bit more time, but its not that crazy to imagine when looked at as 2 ties.
What teams?Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Cork City of course :)Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Atm (assuming all current players play next season)Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Bohs CL certainly the best equipped but your looking at 2 rounds vs teams that are far beyond in terms of budget and players. Assuming its the current bohs team that plays. I cant see them past 1 round unless they get a lucky draw, no dis repesct to Bohs far too many better teams in that draw. unlikley to get tur 2 rounds.
Rovers UEFA with current playing staff and current style of football, a dishonourable loss is expected unless they get our ranking and get seeded. Unlikey to get tru 4 rounds.
Cork UEFA players have played in it before and seen both sides of it unlikely to get tru 3 rounds.
Derry UEFA Best suited to get to playoff round, but thats about it.
Waterford UEFA ****ed in every sense of the word :D
Take Bohs for example. Salzburg were there for the taking and 1 second of lapsed concentration stopped them from beating them. Salzburg are now in the Europa League group stages. Pat's performances this year could see them through 2 rounds with a good draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by soccerc
Im not saying it's anywhere near a definite, or even that we've a godd chance in the next couple of years.
But I certainly think it's possible that the 'upset' could happen.
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Originally Posted by micls
I agree with both of these statements. Surely a matter of time, at some stage the luck of the draw will fall for us. Going through to EL via the CL qualifiers does look the most likely route.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
For the record - the path to the various CL & EL Groups for those three was as follows:Quote:
Originally Posted by A N Mouse
Debrecen: Beat Kalmar of Sweden 3-3 on Away Goals, Beat Levadia Tallinn of Estonia 2-0, Beat Levski Sofia of Bulgaria 4-1 - Champions League Group Stages
Ventspils: Beat Dudelange of Luxembourg 6-1, Beat BATE Borisov of Belarus 2-2 on Away Goals, Lost to FC Zurich of Switzerland 5-1 - Europa League Group Stages
Sheriff: Beat Inter Turku of Finland 2-0, Beat Slavia Prague of the Czech Republic 1-1 on Away Goals, Lost to Olympiacos of Greece 3-0 - Europa League Group Stages
Of course a LOI team can do it in the near future, you only have to look at Ventipls effort this year, surely Bohs would have had a similar run in if they had got that opposition.
The encouraging thing for the LOI in Europe is now the games are more competitive, and the LOi isn't as easy a touch as it was years ago... (like the Norn Iorn league for example!)
By the way does anyone know what the attendance for the Pats game was?
according to one of the papers i read think it was the evening herald last night there was a attendance of 7192.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Not too bad, so Pats would have made some decent money then out of this tie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
(my ticket cost 22 euros!!!:p)