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Originally Posted by DeLorean
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unless its two weeks without payQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
They usually say that though, and if they did fine him two weeks wages that would surely have been punishment enough without suspending him too.
just saw this http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...-34252151.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
fined two weeks wages and turned away from the training ground. not great!
Just reading Eirebhoy's link in the opening post of this thread. Alan Shearer only better.... where did it all go wrong Anto?!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35008282
Suspension not just for Twitter outburst.
His agent has 4-8 weeks now to really earn his crust. At 27 he's got one move in him that he needs to work out. What a frustrating and talented player. It's disappointing to see.
Maybe Stomes himself has 4-8 weeks to earn his crust? I hear what you're saying but no amount of a sales pitch from an agent can cover up for the fact (or perception) that Stokes himself has been the architect of his own under-achievement.
Linked with a loan move to Hibs but denied by Deila. It would be quite the sneaky (but brilliant) tactic by Celtic. ;)
Linked with Inverness Caledonian Thistle this morning, worked with the manager at Hibs.
Says it all about a lack of fulfilled potential. Jonny Hayes was with ICT recently enough. I saw the two of them play for Ireland under 19's at Turner's Cross. Hayes looked just about handy and Stokes looked like he was going to turn into a devastating player. Created real urgency amongst opposition defenders with every cushioned touch and turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Surprised he hasn't leveraged his Champions League experience to gain a club on the continent. Dare I suggest he's happy out in Scotland?
He's only out on loan, I suppose in theory he could play himself into contention for a transfer next season.
He's way too young to be of the age (> 35 and crocked) where a player decides to realise their retirement dream (of last resort) to play for the Tallaght team.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35265183
They're trying to get him out on loan "to play in a top league against top defenders" and Collins speaks positively of a move to ICT.
Is that not a contradiction? Or is he just hinting that a Hibs move wouldn't be ideal?
I like the way he says his attitude has been good "lately". Speak volumes about his attitude prior to that, although I suppose it was well documented.
rumours on twitter he's going to Hibs on loan (in the Scottish Championship) until the end of the season: https://twitter.com/HFCTransferNews/...74048027447296
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Anthony Stokes loan deal done and agreed. Now to await official confirmation from Hibs and Celtic. Unbelievable piece of business #goals
Dundee United have reached an agreement with Celtic but don't seem too hopeful.
Hard to imagine Stokes going there really with the situation they're in.
"It's up to the player to decide. He's got loads of options."
Nice to be wanted.
Loads of fairly crap options for a guy who was holding his own in the San Siro and the likes not so long ago.
Common theme is that each option is in Scotland. And they're probably the only options in Scotland. It looks like he wants to stay in Scotland. A link with someone like Panathinaikos earlier in the season does demonstrate that he held his own in the CL.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Starting to look like Hibs again.
He clearly doesn't want to go to the Euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
Don't think any of those options will bring him there.
He clearly doesn't have much of a choice. NO PL teams would come in for him. He has done nothing in the last 2 or 3 years, and done very little overall in his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
The PL isn't the be all and end all. I'm sure his agent could sound out Championship or continental clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Yes, because so many of our players have played on the continent at some stage.
Its not but its definitely better than the championship, thats the reason championship teams keep trying to get promoted to it.
I've always said the top Championship clubs are Premier League teams waiting to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
......and some of the bottom premier teams are a championship team waiting to happen.
Celtic fc appear to agree terms with every club that comes asking to take Stokes away.
Stokes probably has the most recent Champions League exposure of any Irish player is my point in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/...ernian-celtic/
No matter how many goals he scores for Hibs at this level, I don't think it'll do him any favours if he moves on during the summer.
Waste of talent.
Be funny if he delivered the match winners to deprive Rangers automatic return to the top flight up there though, if that would have been in his / Celtics thinking at all. I know one Rangers fan I work with did not want this guy at Hibs.
In fairness, if he has his head screwed on right he will tear the arsehole out of the Scottish Championship. He is a quality talent. Just a lazy idiot.
Christ, yeah. There should be no limit to what he can bang in between now and season's end. Once he's bothered.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
He's not actually that lazy. He is not a a quality talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
The reality is he is just not that good. Yes we had high hopes when he was 15/16 but like countless other footballers, he couldn't transition from very promising teen to professional football.
That is why at 27 he can only get a move to a club in the 2nd tier of Scottish football.
I completely disagree. He is of sufficient quality that a premiership team and a host of other relatively high profile teams were willing to spend money to take him there. He is of sufficient quality that he was a standout player in a game against Germany not too long ago. He is of sufficient quality that he was breaking goalscoring records in the SPL for Falkirk and scoring goals for fun for Hibs in the SPL.Quote:
Originally Posted by kennedmc
When you can do those things you have quality. When you stop doing those things you look at what the external factors are that have stopped you from doing those things. It is clear that his head is not screwed on, he doesn't apply himself when he is not the centre of attention and prefers to sulk and he courts controversy in his professional and personal life. All of the above suggests to me that he is a bit lazy and a bit of an idiot.
Can't disagree with any of that. I don't think you can dispute his talent (and I'm not saying he is Rooney or Messi!!) but clearly his attitude off the park both for club/country and in his personal life have not helped him one bit, in fact held him back from delivering on his potential.
There were at least two SPL clubs in for him as well. He's clearly a lot, lot better than the Scottish Championship, and I'm not his biggest fan by a long shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by kennedmc
Fair enough - we will disagree. There is a lot of footballers who are idiots - hardly stops players getting to the highest leve. For Scotland his goalscoring record is pretty average.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
I believe all of the stuff around Stoke's attitude and personal life etc. , simply distracts from the fact he is a very average footballer.
Maybe he is disillusioned with how it all turned out for him in footballing terms, i.e ending up in Scotland at 21.... and he can't accept it so he acts up....
Across the three teams he's played for (Fakirk, Hibs and Celtic) he's averaged around a goal a little over every 2 games, that's pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by kennedmc
He's got plenty talent. Look at him in the Champions League for Celtic or against Germany for Ireland. He was excellent against AC Milan in the CL whilst playing with lesser players. That says enough to me.
There's stuff about his personal life that sheds light on why he ended up losing focus on his football this season but there's been plenty off-field issues with him over the years. It's a real pity.
This guy really stokes the flames when it comes to opinions.
I lived in north London 03 - 05 and used to go and watch Arsenal reservers because they had Stokes, Cregg, o'donnell and Sean Kelly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Stokes looked very good as a 16 year old - very good technique but lacked pace and anticipation.In fact Arthur's lupoli was there at the time was far quicker.
Then along came Niclaus bendter and unfortunately for stokes he looked twice the player Stokes did.
So I'm personally not surprised Stokes ended up where he did, the odd half decent performance doesn't make a career.