The Derry City thread - Derry sign first four players

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I would imagine if the papers have details of the biggest creditors and a fairly exact total amount, per the Derry Urinal link above, that all creditors have been notified whether or not they are a creditor, what the value of their claim is, and how they rank in preference.

Have Cliftonville received any communication from the administrator?

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I understand they have.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

I understand they have.

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How much are they listed as being owed out of interest?

Sooooo.... Couple of questions just to freshen things up a bit here. Do Derry have a full squad yet? Will ye be full time or part time?

May I also suggest that ye drop the discussion on whether Derry can play LoI or not till we come to that bridge? It gets very annoying clicking the new post button just to read the same stuff that was posted two or three pages ago, without finding out anything new.
Ta muchly.

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

How much are they listed as being owed out of interest?

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circa £5k afaik.

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Originally Posted by juan

May I also suggest that ye drop the discussion on whether Derry can play LoI or not till we come to that bridge? It gets very annoying clicking the new post button just to read the same stuff that was posted two or three pages ago, without finding out anything new.
Ta muchly.

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I'll go you one better and split it to a new thread. Still amazed that people don't understand why we were trying to keep this crap off the thread.

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Originally Posted by juan

Sooooo.... Couple of questions just to freshen things up a bit here. Do Derry have a full squad yet? Will ye be full time or part time?

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Still well off a full squad (somewhere around 10-11 players at the mo) and apparently they will all be part time.

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

I'll go you one better and split it to a new thread. Still amazed that people don't understand why we were trying to keep this crap off the thread.

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:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Mr. Parker, now that Wellvan's administrator has formally published the full list of declared creditors, how much are Cliftonville owed on it? The Journal article only listed the top few in any detail (Revenue, BoI etc.).

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Has the full list been published? Link?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I would imagine if the papers have details of the biggest creditors and a fairly exact total amount, per the Derry Urinal link above, that all creditors have been notified whether or not they are a creditor, what the value of their claim is, and how they rank in preference.

Have Cliftonville received any communication from the administrator?

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

I understand they have.

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Someone who has seen the administrators report to the High Court tells me that Cliftonville are not listed as a creditor. Linfield and Dungannon are.

You have consistently stated that there was a debt owed to Cliftonville?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Someone who has seen the administrators report to the High Court tells me that Cliftonville are not listed as a creditor. Linfield and Dungannon are.

You have consistently stated that there was a debt owed to Cliftonville?

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Oh I hope this is true, will keep Mr Parker quiet once and for all

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Someone who has seen the administrators report to the High Court tells me that Cliftonville are not listed as a creditor. Linfield and Dungannon are.

You have consistently stated that there was a debt owed to Cliftonville?

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Originally Posted by garyderry

Oh I hope this is true, will keep Mr Parker quiet once and for all

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No chance. :)

Cliftonville are owed money. Simple as. The administrator, Derry City both old and 'new' and other parties are all aware of this.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

No chance. :)

Cliftonville are owed money. Simple as. The administrator, Derry City both old and 'new' and other parties are all aware of this.

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There is a big difference between you and cliftonvile claiming to be owed money, and actually being owed money, your only owed money if its proven and accepted by the administrator.

Has it been?

I honestly dont have a clue one way or the other, just asking?

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

No chance. :)

Cliftonville are owed money. Simple as. The administrator, Derry City both old and 'new' and other parties are all aware of this.

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Here's whats simple, you've two choices:
1) Cliftonville didn't submit their application for creditor status in time; or
2) Cliftonville submitted it but it wasn't accepted by the administrator that you were a creditor.

Which is it?

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

The administrator

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Er, no mention in their report.......

There may be a distinction between "the administrator is aware of it" and "they're listed as a creditor", but from what I've read on here, it sounds like if you are not on the list of creditors, you're entitled to nothing?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

Here's whats simple, you've two choices:
1) Cliftonville didn't submit their application for creditor status in time; or
2) Cliftonville submitted it but it wasn't accepted by the administrator that you were a creditor.

Which is it?

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I've heard it was Number 1)

The application was received about 15 minutes after the stipulated deadline - the club are blaming traffic delays apparently.

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Originally Posted by Réiteoir

I've heard it was Number 1)

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I heard it was a load of number two!

This thread has gone quiet.

Can I suggest Mr. Parker follows the site rules and substantiates his allegation or retracts?

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

This thread has gone quiet.

Can I suggest Mr. Parker follows the site rules and substantiates his allegation or retracts?

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or maybe you should just ask Ronan. ;)

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

or maybe you should just ask Ronan. ;)

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I have his report, which is what was lodged in the High Court. That makes no mention of a Cliftonville debt.

Presume the debt will be included in a supplementary filing so?

So, back to matters on the pitch. Barry Molloy has joined again after not getting a contract at Bristol Rovers. Unfortunately for Dundalk, that's 3 former Derry players that have turned down lucrative contracts to go elsewhere (Martyn to the Glens, Molloy and Farren to Derry).

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I have his report, which is what was lodged in the High Court. That makes no mention of a Cliftonville debt.

Presume the debt will be included in a supplementary filing so?

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Hang on ORA - surely you're not suggesting that Cliftonville's gurning over this has just been a load of unsubstantiated hot air.....?!?

Rumours circulating that Sam Morrow will sign/has signed for Dunfermline (though nothing on club's Official Site):
http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=173111
http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/in...48-sam-morrow/

Wrt Ciaran Martyn's move to The Oval, anyone know what's he like? Would DCFC have been keen to keep him?

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Wrt Ciaran Martyn's move to The Oval, anyone know what's he like? Would DCFC have been keen to keep him?

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Martyn sort of drifts in and out of games. Good player when he plays well, an attacking midfielder who likes to bound into the box and scores his fair share of goals, should do well in the IL. I'm sure Kenny would have loved to have kept him

Check out his contribution here in the game against Gretna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WelpDm_Scd8

Bit on BBC newsline about Derry moving out of the Brandywell.... Club said they're looking at all options... Templemoore mentioned... Council meetings with the club... That's about it lol

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

Rumours circulating that Sam Morrow will sign/has signed for Dunfermline (though nothing on club's Official Site):
http://www.hibs.net/message/showthread.php?t=173111
http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/in...48-sam-morrow/

Wrt Ciaran Martyn's move to The Oval, anyone know what's he like? Would DCFC have been keen to keep him?

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Ciaran Martyn, if he tries is a fantastic attacking midfielder on his day, will score from anywhere if he is given a chance,
That said his heart isnt in it that often and didnt get too many games for us last season. He went on loan to Norway a few years back and never
really hit form since returning, might just be what he needs moving to another club.
If he gets back to his old form you will have one of the best midfielders in the country.

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Originally Posted by Doomofman

Bit on BBC newsline about Derry moving out of the Brandywell.... Club said they're looking at all options... Templemoore mentioned... Council meetings with the club... That's about it lol

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Would love to see this happening but this is Derry City Clowncil we're talking about. Basically they do a lot of talking with no final outcomes. We'll still be investigating possibilities in ten years time.

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Originally Posted by dcfc1928

Martyn sort of drifts in and out of games. Good player when he plays well, an attacking midfielder who likes to bound into the box and scores his fair share of goals, should do well in the IL. I'm sure Kenny would have loved to have kept him

Check out his contribution here in the game against Gretna: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WelpDm_Scd8

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Unfortunately the Gretna game was one of his last meaningful contributions to the team - been pretty much useless since.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

or maybe you should just ask Ronan. ;)

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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy

I have his report, which is what was lodged in the High Court. That makes no mention of a Cliftonville debt.

Presume the debt will be included in a supplementary filing so?

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Got your answer yet ORA? Wouldn't want to see you Licence application in danger now would we.......:eek:

Don't you be worrying about our licence application Mr P.......

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Originally Posted by Mr_Parker

Got your answer yet ORA? Wouldn't want to see you Licence application in danger now would we.......:eek:

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You just answered my question with a question.

Again.

So whats the latest here. If Cork City are booted out and Foras, Cobh and the new Derry all get First Division licences who will be entitled to the two free places in the First Division? Genuine question, trying to catch up on all the news without having to read through every post.

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Originally Posted by Jofspring

So whats the latest here. If Cork City are booted out and Foras, Cobh and the new Derry all get First Division licences who will be entitled to the two free places in the First Division?

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The FAI can decide that, probably us and FORAS.

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Originally Posted by brendy_éire

Bray and Shels probably.

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They're in contention for the Premier spots o.o

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Originally Posted by brendy_éire

Bray and Shels probably.

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There is only one premier place up for grabs as we went into the playoff when derry got booted instead of us being automatically relegated. (galway would have been in the playoff with Drogheda otherwise)

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Originally Posted by Doomofman

They're in contention for the Premier spots o.o

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Read it wrong.
Fixed. :)

dcfcsteve's questions in the Cork thread made me wonder about what the structure of the new Derry City is.

Is it a fan owned and run club? Who appoints the directors? Is it a radical departure from the old structure or is it just a case of having better people in charge?

My understanding is that shares are/will be available for fans to purchase, so if enough fans buy them, then it will effectively be fan owned.

The quality of the new board is unquestionably better that the last one, although that wouldn't be hard. Broadly level headed "older" individuals who have been previously involved in the club and have successful business track records.

To add to ORA's response, we do have a Supporters Trust but it is still at an extremely embryonic stage.

So we currently don't have any viable fan alternative to having a traditional Board with better members. Cork arguably do.

Though I understand the Supporters Trust will be getting a seat on the new board (open to correction).

Astonishing quote from the Derry Chairman in the Irish Times today:

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Derry City chairman Philip O’Doherty says he is happy any lingering uncertainty over the club’s immediate future has been ended even if Stephen Kenny’s side will not be playing in the top flight next year.

“Obviously, we’d have preferred to be playing in the Premier Division and we feel it would have benefited from our presence, but John Delaney (FAI chief executive) made it absolutely clear from the outset that that was not a possibility and so I don’t suppose we have any complaints really.”

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What planet is this guy on?