Cork AUL 2011/12

From AGM: Leeside (x2), Wilton (x2) and Kinsale gone. Led to same discussion as we had. What is happy medium between improving facilities in an environment of no money and football for anyone who wants it? No relegation from Prem or Prem A so assume Springfield up to Prem. Can't play in more than one divisional cup. Single reg forms now. Fees up by fifty quid. 51k in and 51k out for season leaving surplus of 500 quid or so. Blackstone went a bit overthehill on their new managerial appointment. Welcome and good luck.

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Originally Posted by Horse24

From AGM: Leeside (x2), Wilton (x2) and Kinsale gone. Led to same discussion as we had. What is happy medium between improving facilities in an environment of no money and football for anyone who wants it? No relegation from Prem or Prem A so assume Springfield up to Prem. Can't play in more than one divisional cup. Single reg forms now. Fees up by fifty quid. 51k in and 51k out for season leaving surplus of 500 quid or so. Blackstone went a bit overthehill on their new managerial appointment. Welcome and good luck.

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good move horse

Very good Horse, ye got a good man! And good luck also Overthehill.

Appreciate the good wishes Radio, presume they wont apply for at least 2 matches in the league? Big job ahead of us but all involved in Blackstone seem to be pulling in the same direction. John (speedy) ODonovan in as number 2 so there will be no nonsense with us. Looking forward to it!

So is mossie on at start of season again ? Did they talk about backlog of fixtures at agm and ways to deal with them ie byes in AOH and MJC etc for prem teams ?

Are leeside,Wilton,kinsale players from last year that played premier aul and some on the aul panel all going to drop to play senior league div 2 when majority of them could play premier elsewhere or the few better players play premier or div 1 senior?

Well except for sharpshooter who will find his level :)

[QUOTE=Chiefscout;1602627]Well except for sharpshooter who will find his level :)

Id say he must of upset you in a game you were reffing did he :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Chiefscout

Well except for sharpshooter who will find his level :)

Id say he must of upset you in a game you were reffing did he :rolleyes:

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Reffing?.only thing I've ever reffed is a scrap between the old doll and my young fella!!..sharpshooter knows what I'm on about.havent much time for people in glass houses that throw stones

only thing ive ever thrown is the odd dive ha.

Delighted to see Overthehill back involved with a good honest club within the AUL. Best of luck to you and Blackstone for the coming season, Well kind of............ ; )

Good man owl, point taken, and welcome to the championship - missed getting 6pts off ye!! Looking forward to the banter with ye thru the year.

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Originally Posted by Hubba Bubba

any players lined up yet overthehill or is it too early yet to sign players up i wonder Will the players from wilton kinsale and leeside not prefer play premier Aul and represent cork Aul team than challenge msl div 2

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I can't speak for all players but most players will prefer playing MSL - no wasted weekends playing 2nd and 3rd div teams in cup matches.
No big backlog of league games (our first league game was in february).
An opportunity to play on decent pitches every week with the chance to have a wash afterwards.

A no brainer if you ask me especially for those players with nothing else to prove in the AUL.
A new challange is often a good thing.

As for the Cork AUL team - not much interest to be honest. (not many of our players have been selected recently anyway). It usually meant more wasted weekends and bigger backlogs.

I wont be involved myself next season so im not up to date with the latest plans.
But Kinsale have always bounced back from setbacks and im sure they'll do fine.

Bit harsh on the AUL shilts. Your club has been unfairly subject of facilities criticism in the past. I know how that feels when you know fellas are working hard behind the scenes.

As for the lower division games, part and parcel of football. I'm sure Avondale may think the same about games against teams from lower senior divisions. Someone should have stopped your high score game this season - helps neither of ye.

As for the Oscar Traynor side, I believe one or two declined.

It's like the discussion about summers being better growing up. Are we remembering player standards through rose tinted glasses? We didn't win the Oscar Traynor for 40 years!!

You make a good point about motivation. How do you motivate a guy with half a dozen league medals on his pocket? Easy for pros with physcology etc.

Why no involvement shilts? Behind scenes?

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Originally Posted by Dixie's Cousin

Horse24: "Three clubs, 5 teams accepted to MSL & MJL. A blow to the league for sure but if us within our own league keep dissing it what help will that be? I didn't realise Senior Clubs could actually use Juniors from their AUL side. In that case, would the AUL serve a better function than the MJL. Have I the rule right Dixie?"

As far as i'm aware(I could be wrong) if a player is signed with a club they can player 5 games with another team in the club, whether it's junior,senior or even A and B in junior.

Backpass: "Thats the right thing to do. Good young team they are and will give anyone a game on their day.."

They are a fantastic side with some really good players, but both team have their own plans and chopping and changing squad can cause upset and doesn't help anybody.

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If a club has a MSL team and an AUL team then players from these teams cannot play for each other as they are two different leagues and players cannot play for two leagues. Now if a club has Under 19 team and youth team then all these players can play for both teams once they are signed with both leagues and they dont count as part of the original panel of 23 of either team and can be used as often as required throughout the season.

Now if a club have a MSL team and a MJL team then the players on the MJL team can play 5 games for MSL team, but once they play the 5th game for the MSL team, then they cant play any more or they would not be able to play with the MJL team anymore without being regraded.

East Cork Super Cup 5 a side Tornament.
Begins tuesday 10th of july at 7pm on Midleton grass pitches,each team gets a min of 4 games. A maximum of 2 senior players per team. Teams of 7 at 10 euro per man. All are welcome cobh lads are defending champions and it will take a good team to beat them. To enter email eastcorksupercup@gmail.com. A great tornament if your interested.

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Originally Posted by magpie

East Cork Super Cup 5 a side Tornament.
Begins tuesday 10th of july at 7pm on Midleton grass pitches,each team gets a min of 4 games. A maximum of 2 senior players per team. Teams of 7 at 10 euro per man. All are welcome cobh lads are defending champions and it will take a good team to beat them. To enter email eastcorksupercup@gmail.com. A great tornament if your interested.

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There is also a over 35 section this year

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Originally Posted by Horse24

Bit harsh on the AUL shilts. Your club has been unfairly subject of facilities criticism in the past. I know how that feels when you know fellas are working hard behind the scenes.

As for the lower division games, part and parcel of football. I'm sure Avondale may think the same about games against teams from lower senior divisions. Someone should have stopped your high score game this season - helps neither of ye.

As for the Oscar Traynor side, I believe one or two declined.

It's like the discussion about summers being better growing up. Are we remembering player standards through rose tinted glasses? We didn't win the Oscar Traynor for 40 years!!

You make a good point about motivation. How do you motivate a guy with half a dozen league medals on his pocket? Easy for pros with physcology etc.

Why no involvement shilts? Behind scenes?

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Time moves on - players can't be listening to the same guys forever.




As for the AUL - the whole set up needs to be looked at.
It's great for teams coming up through the divisions.
But for teams at the top of the AUL Premier, it is not that good.

First of all the facilities in general are poor.
Obviously they are worse the lower down the divisions you go, but in the AUL Premier you should expect somewhere to tog off and keep your clothes dry, have a wash after the game and be able to fill up water bottles for players to have a drink at half time.
I'm not suggesting Nou Camp standard facilities.
These basic facilities are not available at some Premier clubs.
In 2012 this is poor form.
Clubs are struggling to stay alive at the moment so it is unlikely that this problem will be sorted out anytime soon.

Not to mention the playing surface at some clubs. Some bordering on dangerous.


At the top of the AUL there is no promotion - this has resulted recently where a team like Kinsale (which I'm the first to admit is far removed from a Rockmount or Avondale) were handcuffed into a league that they were too good for (6 wins in 9 years).
The AUL actively discouraged any move to the MSL, even putting in place a ban on any teams transfering for a number of years.
What was that about??
What did that ban actually achieve???
In all other divisions the champions get promoted and the rest have a better crack off it in the next year.
Putting a glass ceiling in place, halfway down the Cork soccer ladder, is anti- football and anti-competition.
Nobody should be walking around with 6 AUL Premier medals, just as nobody should be walking around with 6 AUL 3rd Division medals.
I'm not a GAA fan but if you win the junior county you play intermediate the next year.


The fixture set up needs to be looked at. It is not working!!!
Kinsale, who had a poor season by their standards, didn't start their league campaign until February :confused:
This is crazy!

Months are wasted playing early rounds of the FAI Junior Cup and Munster Junior Cup against other AUL teams - usually Div 2/3 teams in the early rounds.
These often end up as cricket score games. (one 14-0 game this year for instance).
This wastes weekends where league games could be played.
Lower division teams should play the early rounds and byes should be given to those who qualified out of Cork the previous year (or some other system of byes).
I know that this is not an AUL problem to fix (but it does affect their affiliated teams)
Some effort could be made for the AOH Cup though.

If nothing is done all the progressive teams will walk.
Leeside, Wilton and Kinsale all ran for the door at the earliest opportunity when the MSL tore up the "arrangement".
Who is next to go?
Park, Coachford?
Innishvilla maybe?

Who will the AUL be for in the future??
Glorified pub teams and GAA players who want to keep fit during the winter.
This is the direction it is heading in my opinion.

The Cork AUL should look at their Dublin AUL counterparts. They might learn a lot.

Congrads to Kinsale etc etc so on and so forth but can I ask you a question Shilts what did ye pay for the land ? Correct me if I'm wrong but would I be right in saying that's council land ? I might be wrong but u can correct me on that . If all clubs got council land like a good few clubs had we would all have great pitchs and dressing rooms

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Originally Posted by Hubba Bubba

great posts shilts i must admit i taught kinsale were going in wrong direction wen i first heard about ye going msl

but after reading your post i agree with ye 100% now on why ye are leaving

alot of transfers talk going on around the place lads most of it made me laugh

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Enlighten us hubba bubba

nice to be back..j barton didnt get this much grief...on tranfer front glen celtic have made a few very good signings both on and off the pitch...looking forward to season....nice to see hubba full of news.
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Originally Posted by oldlegs

Congrads to Kinsale etc etc so on and so forth but can I ask you a question Shilts what did ye pay for the land ? Correct me if I'm wrong but would I be right in saying that's council land ? I might be wrong but u can correct me on that . If all clubs got council land like a good few clubs had we would all have great pitchs and dressing rooms

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Thanks oldlegs but I'm not looking for congratulations for anything Kinsale have done. (if I used references to Kinsale it's because I know more about them than any other AUL club)
I'm trying to point out why teams are looking to leave the AUL.
I'm trying to point out where I think the AUL needs to improve.

As for Kinsale and their facilities: I'm not a committee member and do not know the details of any deals that were made with the council.
But I'd imagine a lot of negotitations were done to get some land that could not be developed on (too close to Charles Fort).
An awful lot of time and money was spent developing a rough piece of land into what is there at present.
And there is still plenty to be done.
Well done I say to that negotiating team - they did a great job for their club.
I'm sure the council won't ring up any club and just say "would you like some land?"

But like I said earlier I do not have the exact info on this.


Silverheights and Clashduv Road are both council owned.
No comparison I think?

yes like i said in some older posts on here...there was some money spent in kinsale maybe on the playing side to...we leave the seaguls out of this one.i wish new guy in charge at blackstone all the best one of the real football men on here .

thanks hubba

Great to have you back zico, straight talking as you see it, nice one. Cheers for the good wishes, if we do half the job you have done we wont be too bad!

any transfer news yet been away for awhile. couldnt be bothered trawling back the pages.

i can only speak for the glen as im a glen man ..i would not be worried about other players they commit to a team then go elsewhere 6 new signings for glen celtic A team and glen celtic B looking fantastic too.....there is lot to look forward to this year..best of luck to new player manager of B team he is a top man .

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Originally Posted by six-yard-box

From all the talk about the glen on here I expected more out of them the other day I thought they were put in there place comfortably.. Witnessed the worst refereeing performance of my life this morning at the Wilton game.. My god he's a bad ref. a pity actually 55 yellows he showed im sure Ruined the game He did.

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this coment won glen celtic A there treble and yes mr tully got the call wrong on the goal ......thanks.

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Originally Posted by zicorossi

this coment won glen celtic A there treble and yes mr tully got the call wrong on the goal ......thanks.

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glad i could help.

put your skills to work on your own team now and who knows you might get to the glens level ....my rants over now ... hubba did you get that job .

doing an alan hansen now hubba all the team have played premier,and can all play football..they wont be found wanting ,

im calm they did do there talking...just my take on what was won thats all...and looking forward to new season .they will play,contest,and enjoy.win lose or draw.

dont understand yellow i mean red and white ;)like i say enjoy the game thats what it,s about the way you go on about premier you think its life or death .

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Originally Posted by redandwhite

wilton to win league, kinsale to win aoh....blarney st and macroom to go down

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you know your football i see ;)

Three posters sound exactly the same to me!! Any guesses who I mean.

Shilts, you make some good points. what's your solution to the football in Cork situation to cover all from Avondale down to a team I know who started in 1999 with nothing? How would you fix it?

We were told at the AGM that the glass ceiling was put in by MSL. They didn't show to meeting a few years ago to discuss one league.

Best for Cork soccer in my opinion is one league with various off pitch criteria at various stages of promotion. In an ideal world it would be backed by a pitch owned by the league ala Murphys Farm. Criteria for new teams would be tough but fair to allow teams of friends to play.

Both sets of administrators are doing great work and have to be brave enough to ignore old wounds. Together they could make even more happen.

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Originally Posted by zicorossi

put your skills to work on your own team now and who knows you might get to the glens level ....my rants over now ... hubba did you get that job .

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what level is that then?? division 1 champions? come back to me when ye establish yerselves in the premier can start talking about levels then. talk is cheap and potential can go unfufilled. best of luck for the year.

look any treble is potential reached to what level you were at .was just saying,, but to be fair unlucky to lose on pens to wicklow rovers in fai ..last eight aoh..2 cups..divison 1 champs..team of month..north city sports award..team of year thats a good season.

no one can knock yere year last year. great season but its exactly what ye should have done with the players at yere disposal. ye have to go and do it again this year and the year after. only team imo!!!! that reached any sort of level was kinsale up to last year obviously. when ye do something like that then you can label it the glens level.

going back over old posts your very anti glen celtic must say you must be right cut up with the season they had buddy..and the way your thinking you know it all its the eircom league forum you should be posting in ...your far to much an expert for little old aul, dont be spiting out your dummy:D