Quick question for for those who know the coefficient process.
If rovers win on Thurs, are there any extra coefficient points picked up?
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Quick question for for those who know the coefficient process.
If rovers win on Thurs, are there any extra coefficient points picked up?
They'd get the usual 1.000 for winning the match (for the country coefficient), even if they still lose on aggregate.
I don't know is there a bonus for reaching a group stage - I have a feeling there is. Though that may be just for the CL groups.
My understanding is we get 2.5 points for making Group stages.
There is no bonus as such for reaching Group stages but you get 6 chances to play for 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw.
This is why i felt Conference league was better for us (long term( as if we are in pot 3 (likely) we have a reasonable shout of getting a couple of wins and a draw or two.
Its a big ask but 6 points on top of the 2.5 we have already this year plus the 7 from last 4 years would give us a 2023 Coefficient of 15 and would maybe have us seeded in QR2 Champions League next year if we win the league again and won QR1.
I think thats the case anyway
Wishful thinking we could possibly lose every match in eith EL or ECL groups but the odds are in our favour in ECL
https://www.balls.ie/football/irish-players-in-europe-2021-476429
Just read this and it seems as if there is a trend happening here due to the Brexit mess. Also listening to Danny Kelly on his Trans Euro Express Show on Talksport always referring this trend!
You will get a minimum of 2.5 even if you lose all 6 games. If you got a win and 2 draws like Flora did last year, then you would have a total of 4 points added to your final co-efficient for this year (2+1+1), as they did, last year. These are not added to the 2.5 points earned up to the group stage. Instead, the final total is the number of co-efficient points you earned over the 2.5 you already have received.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Your club ranking is 9.000 now, including the 2.5. 4 points in the above scenario would bring that to up to 10.500 for the 5 years.
Hope that makes sense?
That's just for the club coefficient, yeah?
I think there's a 4-point country coefficient bonus for reaching the CL groups (divided by the number of teams of course), but no equivalent for the EL or ECL.
But yeah, Flora's club coefficient was 4.000 last year, but Alashkert, who only got one point in the groups, got 2.500 as a club coefficient
Not saying your wrong as I'm not sure but if the 2.5 aren't counted compared to the 4 points from a win and 2 draws then what happens if u lose all 6? Seems strange that the 2.5 only count if u don't win any games.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
I think the minimum club coefficient ye can get now is 2.5 for the season.
So one win and five defeats is just 2 points - which is bumped up to 2.5. Same for anything less than that.
A win and a draw is 3 points, so that's the club coefficient - and so on for better records than that
Yeah it caused confusion and disappointment in 2016 that a win and draws didnt add to the group stage min coeff of 2.5 ie 2.5 + win + draw so 5.5 or whatever the figures were then.
That's both interesting and dissapointing :)
Cheers for the clarification.
We had better go and win a couple so!
Stadium sold out? Fair play to rovers fans, this would be an easy match to skip
Party time for the supporters? You secured groups away in Macedonia and then had to travel to Budapest.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Plus all the 'neutrals' (like myself) who are going.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Also - You can't say fair play to your own supporters like they're a third party :D
Fair play to all the neutrals and my fellow hoops for showing up for a dead rubber .....happy now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
in all seriousness i am surprised at a full house considering it wasnt full for any of the matches so far
Great to see that Tallaght will be hosting the Europa Conference league games . Its only fair as the ground is perfectly capable of hosting it.
Besides the new stand. What are the upgrades to the main stand that will bring the total ground up to Cat 4?
Dont forget CSAD and all those going who want to remind Rovers of how they bottled Europe again. I couldnt get a ticket now even if I wanted one - awful disappointed, and will be such a tough night for Rovers and their fans (just please keep it less than 10-0 on agg, as the laugh at LoI barstoolers had shut up for a while!).Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
UEFA require a room without surveillance and a dropbox for brown envelopes.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Back to the glorious Milltown days when neutrals would turn up just to cheer on whoever we were playing? We must be doing something right then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
We won't be playing our strongest team but they also won't be pushing too hard. If they do they will probably get 2 or 3. If not we might even squeak a 1-0 moral victory. Hopefully the young lads get some more game time anyway.
If I was in Dublin on the night i'd certainly have considered going and would actually be neutral. Yup tough time for Rovers indeed;) Genuinely though, while it would be fun to slag off a really heavy agg defeat, it does reflect on the overall league so respectable would be grand. As Ive said before, the longer a side can hang on in Europe, adjust to pace and stuff the better performances can get even against tougher opposition than early rounds. The champions pathway really does now help to give enough game time to help any player up their levels and can carry that in to another year - not always totally about improved ranking or better draw, at some level there is an element of player, team and coaching development imo. Not going to happen but trying some variation on the usual formation/player combos (young lads starting) in case its needed in the groups, if it were Dundalk it wouldnt bother me if it was a hiding but useful experience.
Hopefully Rovers put in a decent performance but focus appears to be on drogs on Sunday.
Jack Byrne should start, so that combined with hopefully a relaxed attitude from the opposition will hopefully see a tight enough game.
Great experience for the young lads in the squad to be playing at this level of competition.
I expect a strong starting 11 for 45 minutes then at least 3 subs at half time and 2 more at 60 minutes or so. Bradley held towell back from the first leg so he could play high against Dundalk so I would expect him to start this time and miss out against drogs.
I'd take a respectable loss tonight and a win against Drogs but tbh I'm not that bothered. Looking forward to the draw tommorow morning and hoping it's not a damp squid of tough unattractive ties
Couldn't care less what happens tonight, the tie is over & the rest is window dressing. With the group qualification assured its crucial now that thoughts turn to domestic competition with the Drogheda game, lose that and there's no safety net of other games to fall back on in that competition. Drogheda have already beaten us up there & beaten the next best team there twice (IIRC) so they are most definitely to be taken seriously. I suspect sbgawa is spot on re: loads of subs to allow the squad time to recuperate for Sunday. No point going gung ho & winning tonight, losing the tie & then getting knocked out of the cup on Sunday, yes we could win both games but IMO the chances of defeat on Sunday are increased if we overcommit to winning a dead rubber tonight.
Byrne still needs minding yet, it'd make sense tome to bring him on for a last 20-25 mins regardless of whats gone on, and then start him v Drogs for 60-70mins. Small pitch so not much stretching the legs but theres real guile meeded to crack the Drogs defence at home. They are well fit for the battering ram approach or balls in over the top, and there's limited chances to really use the wing backs effectively. So centre-mid creativity beside someone who will do the leg work tracking back. Drogs can smother and kill a game when they are really up for it at home and its not just Dundalk that have struggled there. The cup is all thats left to them so could be prepped for having a damn good go on Sunday. I would normally say that under the circumstances going out of the cup would be no disaster with ECL games - but to make life a bit easier on the stress levels in the run in we want the top three to progress. Just have a feeling this could be a real banana skin for Rovers.
Kenny's Dundalk were bold and ambitious. Do Rovers have the ambition to qualify from their ECL group? A difficult task for sure but tonight is an opportunity to try and setup for those difficult challenges coming down the track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peaky Blinder
Presume it's more VIP areas, hospitality areas, extra media desks and more commentary positions, second TV studio needed for cat 4 as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Since Shams game is a dead rubber, the Linfield game might be more interesting. Live on BBC 2 NI.
The group games are a different kettle of fish, though the group dynamic will be key to realistic ambition. The draw tomorrow will be very interesting as the teams drawn from pots 2 & 4 are key to how realistic qualification is. Either way I'd be hopeful we'll not go into the groups happy to make up the numbers and will try to be at least competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by legendz
Tonight's game is a dead rubber though, there is simply no way a 4-0 deficit will be overturned, and that's got nothing to do with ambition, that's just professional practicality. Avoid total embarrassment whilst giving yourself the best chance to win in the cup on Sunday in a game that is far more winnable in terms of progression. We have injuries and despite what some like to think here the squad isn't 'that' strong so resources need to be managed. I think the vast majority of Rovers fans respect that.
Is the league season going to have to finish on the Sunday because of Rovers in Europe?
I think its sold out as anecdotally i have been hearing that there are plenty of Ferncavaros fans working in Ireland you might see a degree of mixing in the East especially.
I remember when Ireland hosted the u17 Euros in 2019 there was a TON of Hungarian fans at each game, possibly the most followed side in the tournament. Hungary might not be necessarily our largest diaspora but it definitely seems to be the one that comes out in force when their nation or club sides play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover
All sounds a bit GAA.Quote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Would have thought soQuote:
Originally Posted by joey B
Rovers last Match is at home to UCD.
If the title and relegation play off positions were settled Rovers and UCD might be happy enough to play on the Friday assuming the Thursday match was at home or maybe just the Rovers UCD match could go back to the Sunday.
Ludogorets gone to ET with Zalgiris. They haven’t been that good since the 1st leg vs Rovers. Maybe they are not as good as that 3-0 result suggested.
Shkupi with a player sent off in the first minute in Kosovo. They're 2-1 down from the home leg and that's probably tie over. A strongly-worded internet post is on its way no doubt
Sure you're basically Hooperman at this point Nesta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Yeah I'd agree with all that. It's basically a training match. Should see something different in midfield and up top but I'd say it will look close to first choice at the back.
Or we were just awful in the first half of the first leg.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Probably a little of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
And CSKA who got past Pats by the skin of their teeth are still leading Basel with about 25 mins to go in the tie. Every match is different.