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Maribor - I wish they were all like you. Excellent post.
sfc red - good post. happy now?
It's because of people like him that the eircom league attendances are low.Imagine if every Celtic supporter in the country supported thier local EL team.There would be tens of thousands at each game.Why people support an average team playing in a **** league in Scotland is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
It's not strange. It sums up the Uncle Tom attitude of the proud Oirish football fan - who would support a foreign team over one of their own any day, whilst also claiming to be solid Irish patriots - yet incapable of seeing any contradiction between the 2. You could see the fcukin eejits jumping about on TV after Larsson scored - and they most certainly were not Swedish.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
And then you wonder why people round here have an issue with Irish Celtic fans......:o
I had fallen in love with Celtic long before I was capable of making my own decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
btw - I know it's the school holidays and all but it's bed time for one or two in this thread if you think i'll be biting. :)
But the Irish support for Celtic is 110% built entirely upon the concept of identity and nationalisim ! There is no other explanation for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Why in the name of feck would anyone support a Scottish team if they could pick any team in the world ?!? :eek: Seriously - it's that laughable...!
They played in Ireland last week, and Harps battered them.Quote:
Do they play in Ireland? No.
He meant do they play in Ireland for home gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
I don't have major issue with Irish people supporting foreign clubs. Ideally I would love if they could support an Eircom League club too, which I know a lot of people do. But the thing that really annoys me above all others is the complete disregard for the Eircom League. The comments of "what are you doing following that ****e?" and "Will ye ever watch some proper football." And this comes from a lot of people who have never seen a game but just base their opinions on general public perception.
Which ironically is exactly how Irish people chose what English team to support (albeit at a younger age). So why is that methodology only acceptable when you're choosing a foreign team ....? :confused: Do people in England who don't have a local senior team to support just pick a French or Spanish one at random instead ? The hell they do - they pick an English one.....Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Absolute laughable bullsh!t there is.......Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
The point I'm trying to get across is we didn't actually decide to support Celtic when we had the sense to do so. Many smokers don't want to stop smoking. Very few smokers will start smoking in their 20's. I haven't got a choice now. I love Celtic and always will. It's the same for everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
Do you not agree that slagging a Celtic fan for being a Celtic fan is a bit mad? :)
If Larsson was now playing for a different Scottish club, would they cheer him on ? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
If he was playing for an English club that wasn't the one those same Celtic fans supported, would they cheer him on ? No.
If he played for Millwall would they cheer him on ? No.
So there's your answer. It's about Celtic - not Larsson. And it's soooo painfully embarassing...
I'd slag an Irish Celtc fan for being a jump on the bandwagonQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
As did I. But then I became an adult. Capable of my own free decisions. And 3 years ago I chose not to support Celtic any longer - as when I analysed the reasons why I supported a Scottish team in a poor league, I simply couldn't justify it on any grounds other than religion. And I didn't want to slavishly follow a sports club purely because of the religion I was born into (and now no longer practice). I invite you to do the same - write down all the reasons why you support Celtic. One by one you'll be able to eliminate the ones that aren't hand-on-heart genuine reasons (e.g. the quaity of football etc), and then see what you're left with at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
So now that you're a grown adult, capable of independent decision making, you have continued with your former decision - so whether you accept or admit it or not, you have chosen to support Celtic.
Nevermind the quips about bedtime - adults take responsibility for their own actions
Very rarely do I find a Celtic fan in this city. Someone I could actually have a chat with about Celtic. In my work place there's a few "Ah I live Celtic and all" type people but I'm the only Celtic fan. Loads of Liverpool fans. on boards.ie there must be 40 Liverpool fans posting there. There's 4 or 5 Celtic fans. I couldn't find anywhere showing the Celtic match yesterday in Dublin 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
I can't stress enough how few Celtic fans there are in Dublin, compared to what people actually think.
That's like telling me I chose to love my ma.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
"Nevermind the quips about bedtime - adults take responsibility for their own actions"
It certainly wasn't you I was referring to with that remark. I'm talking about some other chap that's jumping up and down trying to get a few words in.
He's talking about a football club, not your own mother.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
How is it ? At least your mother's Irish, from the same country as yourself, and you have a blood relationship to her. You have clearly sensible reasons for loving your ma. You do not for your love of Celtic, apart from it inevitably boiling down to Catholicism. Which is fine if religious identity is that huge a part of your lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Or do you just love yer ma because you're a Catholic......? :confused:
Was it really that hard to understand what I meant? LOVE! Maybe I just have a huge heart and tiny head but it's impossible now for me to stop supporting Celtic. I presumed it was the same with most people and the clubs they support which goes back to the point I'm making for the 3rd time.
Why did you have to bring it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
Jaysus I'm going to bed. :D
Bye...
Fine if that's the case. But at least acknowledge to yourself (if not openly)why it is that you support Celtic.Quote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
It's fundamentally becasue you're an Irish Catholic. And like I said - great, if you want the religion you just happened to have been born into to dictate chunks of your life ad finitum thereafter. But that sort of robotic behaviour just isn't for me. And I struggle to see how it can be for anyone who has also turned their back on the religion that made that choice of football club for them in the first place (I'm talking generally here, as I don't know if you practice your religion still or not).
I should hope you observe/follow other Catholic nuances as well, such as not using condoms, by the way... :)
Mate, you obviously did not love Celtic when you decided that they weren't for you. I don't know what it feels like not to love Celtic. I thought it would be pretty easy for a football fan to understand what I'm talking about. I wasn't old enough to make a rational decision to support Celtic. I grew to love them and that's the end of the story.
This thread is pretty embarrassing now. All the talk about love and whatever else.
Just go to bed and we'll pretend this thread never happened :pQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I wouldn't mind waking up tomorrow and finding out I "love" something with all my heart
Eireboy, is it possible this could happen to any of us in the near future? I love loving things
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Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
he is right steve, you being from the north wouldnt understand :p
Seriouslly though this assertion is correct, bar the backward country pumpkins and the scummy inner city types, celtic support is far less than united or liverpool. Having said that the support they get would actually involve people going to their matches at elast a few times and year and buying thier merchandise as oppossed to just watching them on the tele, like united or liverpool etc.
Oh and I love me. who wouldn't?
:eek: How the hell can you love a football team? :eek: Those saddos who went to support Larsson are showing severe tendancies of male love. Football terracing is obviously the wrong place for them. Each to their own I suppose.
Someone in our office made the comparison after reading this thread of:
"Sure - you may love your ex-girlfriend, but you wouldn't travel up to cheer her on when she's out with another bloke. That's just wierd "
Totally agree, the whole Celtic thing is Ireland is madness not matter which way you look at it. It does not work on the nationalism angle that you should support your own and then ifyou say you can support any team in the world cause thats your right and freedom of choice and nationalism is a concept that one does not subscribe to it still does not work, as that is once of Celtics selling points.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
12 years ago it would be unusual to find Celtic fans in the Republic (outside of Donegal). Most football fans would support Liverpool or Man utdQuote:
Originally Posted by eirebhoy
I went to the Packie Bonner testimonial in 1991 and there weren't any other Irish or Celtic fans on the boat either way. I appreciate there were plenty of boats but no obvious Irish travelling apart from the usual group from London who were supporting Ireland (like I was obviously). Celtic were a distant 3rd in th eelague at the time and didn't even manage 2nd place for another 5 years.
Celtic's support here has grown huely in recent years. Success and tv coverage has a lot to do with it and unfortunately the sectarian element has an attraction for some.
and the wolfe tones....Quote:
Celtic's support here has grown huely in recent years. Success and tv coverage has a lot to do with it and unfortunately the sectarian element has an attraction for some
Believe it or not I'd have called myself a Celtic fan 15 years or so ago. I was at that Bonner testimonial too. You couldn't get a celtic kit in dublin, so my aunt got mine in Belfast for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Steve, Im very impressed with your performance in this thread.Pretty much captures all my thoughts on the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by dcfcsteve
You dont fancy coming down to my local and having a chat with a few of my barstooler mates.Even they could not fail to see the logic in your argument.
Why? Because Celtic are Irish. Do they play in Ireland? No. Did they have any Irish players playing when they played us or Pats? No. Naw, but they're Irish.[/QUOTE]
Celtic are as Irish as James Connolly
Celtic's support here has grown huely in recent years. Success and tv coverage has a lot to do with it and unfortunately the sectarian element has an attraction for some.[/QUOTE]
How is it sectarian ?? could it not be political - Celtic represent the Irish Diaspora in Glasgow & many people like Celtic because of this. There is a republican element with Celtic as well-not sure where this is sectarian?
who was as Irish as Billy Connolly...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingal hoop
Try any Old Firm game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingal hoop
Anyway most Celtic fans there last night Ive spoken to were up for Drogheda
exactly -its not a black & white issue- most irish id guess would consider JC Irish or at least recognise he is part of the Irish diaspora-why not the same with CelticQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Ive been to many - heard a lot of rebel songs which bertie & the boys say are ok nowQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy