The team in Division 1B, Bohemians FC. Is that the same team that played in the League of Ireland in the early 30s ?
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The team in Division 1B, Bohemians FC. Is that the same team that played in the League of Ireland in the early 30s ?
No their all deadQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBoss
Sorry for not resondin but I have been on holidays and am only just back and its like unwrapin presents lookin at these posts.
First I agree that Grattan should get team of the year.Why to win a cup and a league within the AUL is a fantastic feat.But to bring distinction to your league by reaching the last 8 of the biggest junior competition in Ireland surely comes above that.Grattan have done what Kinsale and Greenount before them failed to do.Match league success with success in the FAI.Its 20 odd years since a Cork side reached the last 8,let alone have 2 players on the ameture,not the junior,the ameture Irish side.Grattan when placed in the Fai draw will be the team that are to be avoided from down south.That alone seals it for me.Gave a bit of pride back to the AUL.
Secondly,the remarks about the state of Grattans and Villages pitch I take exception to.Grattans pitch and Villages are nothing alike.Grattans yes has a slight slope,but the surface is excellent and it has games palyed on it when no one else can manage a game.Why the work that has been done to it.Grattans pitch may not be Wembley but it is good.ie Doughlas hall paid a fortune for a pitch and it slopes off to the right hand side.As you walk onto Rockmount park the pitch slopes away from you.To top it off Turners X which I have played on,on many an occasion has some of the most incredabile gentle bumps you will ever see.
The pitch without doubt has a great influence on teams,but if the team is not good enough they could as well play on the moon.I had the misfortune to watch Castleview at home this year against Everton.Castleview won the senior the year before.Everton won 7/0 and Castleview looked like they were in the wrong division,shipping league comes to mind.Grattan played against Coachford and it could have been plyted in Croke Park with the amount of time the ball stayed on the ground.Go figure.Good teams adapt to the pitch,bad teams make up excuses because inevatibly the loose.:D
Sorry for not resondin but I have been on holidays and am only just back and its like unwrapin presents lookin at these posts.
First I agree that Grattan should get team of the year.Why to win a cup and a league within the AUL is a fantastic feat.But to bring distinction to your league by reaching the last 8 of the biggest junior competition in Ireland surely comes above that.Grattan have done what Kinsale and Greenount before them failed to do.Match league success with success in the FAI.Its 20 odd years since a Cork side reached the last 8,let alone have 2 players on the ameture,not the junior,the ameture Irish side.Grattan when placed in the Fai draw will be the team that are to be avoided from down south.That alone seals it for me.Gave a bit of pride back to the AUL.
Secondly,the remarks about the state of Grattans and Villages pitch I take exception to.Grattans pitch and Villages are nothing alike.Grattans yes has a slight slope,but the surface is excellent and it has games palyed on it when no one else can manage a game.Why the work that has been done to it.Grattans pitch may not be Wembley but it is good.ie Doughlas hall paid a fortune for a pitch and it slopes off to the right hand side.As you walk onto Rockmount park the pitch slopes away from you.To top it off Turners X which I have played on,on many an occasion has some of the most incredabile gentle bumps you will ever see.
The pitch without doubt has a great influence on teams,but if the team is not good enough they could as well play on the moon.I had the misfortune to watch Castleview at home this year against Everton.Castleview won the senior the year before.Everton won 7/0 and Castleview looked like they were in the wrong division,shipping league comes to mind.Grattan played against Coachford and it could have been plyted in Croke Park with the amount of time the ball stayed on the ground.Go figure.Good teams adapt to the pitch,bad teams make up excuses because inevitibly the loose.:D
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littleman you don't half fall over yourself at times...grattans pitch was not as good as leeside, macroom, possibly maymount and coachford in last years premier in my opinion...granted the club are making great strides on the pitch but off it needs to catch up...also you say grattan are a good football side and good football sides adapt to playing conditions and yet you say the grattan coachford game coulda been played at croke park cos neither side played ground football??? i think you need to stop looking thro rose coloured glasses and see grattans pitch for what it is...improving but a long way to go as i'm sure most visiting teams would agree and they are the ones with an objective view...slow down on the keyboard as your brain seems to work a little slower than your fingers!!!!
i do agree with one thing...passandmoves response was sheer class...
On the subject of pitches and facilities;
Who have the best of either in each division???
I know most can only comment on where they have played, but there are some clubs below the premier have fairly decent facilities...
Here are my votes for what all clubs should aspire too... Buttevant deserves special mention to have done what they have in the current climate of expensive land and expensive development.
Div 1 Lakewood (I know courtesy of John A Woods)
Div 1A Buttevant
Div 2 Casement (MSL I know)
Div 2A Passage/Buttevant
I think you are the main contributor on this thread and your posts are entertaining and informative littleman, but you do lack a little impartiality at times...........Grattan this, grattan that!!
Yes Littleman you do sound a little bit bias toward Grattan which I suppose in some ways is admirable if you support them - However I cannot agree that their pitch is one that Premier players all over the country and craving to play on!!.
Also may I take this opportunity to congratulate Innishvilla (comes to mind as I see a reply posted by someone from there above) on having the organisation and dedication of buying land and are about to develope a few new state of the art playing pitch'es - My sincere congrats to you and best of luck with the project.
I never said that O'Neill Park was fantastic,just not as bad as its made out to be thats all Soccer fan.The football hotbed in Cork seems to be on the northside and Grattan sit on top so its only natural that their spoken about the most.I am a fan of the AUL,have been and always will be,they have their faults but who dosent.
Third eye,off the pitch,Grattan's new dressing rooms are due to be built in July,they own there pitch,there own fully lit all weather and car park, so next season it will only be Park and Grattan that actually own there pitch and dressing rooms, so I don't understand what your comments are based on.
Innishvilla I think Banteer in last years 3a have the best dressing rooms and pitch in the AUL and Rathcoole have a great pitch.Corkbeg and Hibs have great set ups.Well done on buying your grounds as well,thats what we need more of.
God littleman you do my head in no end. Grattan do, without a doubt, deserve recognition for their tremendous season. However they themselves i'm sure will be a little miffed at only winning one trophy when more were in the offing?? I think you are blowing the trumpets, rolling out the red carpets, and kissing the sovereign rings on their fingers a little too early. A sign of a team is consistency... This is one season in the Cork Aul premier.. try it over five and then we'll have a chat about it. No doubt about it-Their FAI Junior exploits mean they will be a feared team next year in any competition... but thats partly because of the state of their pitch and the colourful people on the side line. That pitch is not conducive to free flowing football. end of. "Good teams can play anywhere...blah blah blah"- take those frickin glasses off man! It provides for an intimidating, in your face atmosphere that can get the better of the perhaps better footballing but nonetheless mentally weaker teams. Correct me if i'm wrong but are u comparing Grattans pitch to that of Turners Cross?? Coz thats sure as hell what it sounds like! Its laughable... I have had the luxury like u little man of playing on both.. U may want to close ur eyes for the next line but ............... Turners cross just gets my vote!! Its an awful pitch- i dont care whether u own it or not- sell it and get a new one for the love of god.
I must off as i could stay here all day, but fear not, i shall be keeping my fingers nimble in anticipation of a quick witted comeback from from the rose tinted one....
Thanks to both Littleman and Soccer Fan.
It's a huge undertaking for the club but it is also the only way forwardfor us renting a pitch was just not an option, especially with the underage teams flying at the moment.
It is funny for us in the junior team, the past year every away game we've been checking out dimensions of pitches; ideas for layout etc... Hopefully in a year or two's time Innishvilla will have a facility that will get mentioned in this forum for all the right reasons.
Your bang on Innishvilla,if you dont make serious moves towards getting your own pitch ect you will end up in limbo.Trust me it is hard startin but once you get the ball rollin its easier as you go.If enough of clubs like yours did more to better our facilitys we might not be losing clubs to the MSL rather attracting themback.
Qwertyui,,,,,,,,,,you are from the southside or the country,otherwise you wouldnt refer to the support on the northside as colourful.People on the northside support junior football,3rd division to premier,rain or shine,I think your out of order in whay saying but thats your right,I appriciate that.If you read what I was saying instead of being odd at me mentioning Grattan you would have understood that my reference to O'Neill Park and Turners Cross was to do with the fact that though miles apart in terms of quality apearently they share the fact that they still have bumps.
You could take a leaf out of Innishvilla's book and be positive about the AUL clubs that are trying to improve instead of knockin it and its clubs.We have our faults and our facilitys are not the best but we are tryin and most of us at least are proud to play in the AUL.
Im sure theres a place for you and yours in the MSL.:rolleyes:
I think we are being a little bit unfair to Grattan in regards to their pitch - what I meant in an earlier post was that their pitch is not great and players certaintly do not look forward to playing there!. However to allow a 1/4 final of the FAI Juinior cup be played there the F.A.I must feel it is a reasonable pitch also, because believe me they would not if it was below the required standard. In regards to the colourful supporters in the northside well in my experience they can be vocal but boy are they passionate !! WOW!!. However after the games I find them to be fair and certainly dignified in victory or defeat. Believe me I have been at games in the southside, also let me add the county and their supporters are no different!!. The higher the league you play in the more it means to win or lose and goes for the supporters more so than players - that is the way I see it!.
I have to agree with Soccer Fan; I've played all over the city and county, I've found that teams from the north side are generally better supported (numbers wise) and almost always once the final whistle goes it is handshakes and back to the local... I say almost as there are always exceptions, but that can happen north/south/county/city.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soccer Fan.
Now now now littleman, please dont mis interpret what i said. I wasn't referring to Northsiders on the whole, this is the type of presumptious stupid statement I wouldnt dream of using! I was referring to Grattans supporters only. A big vocal home support anywhere provides for an intimidating atmosphere, but more so on top of the hill. Its not prejudice in anyway shape or form and please, dont think that it is, it's merely an opinion, an opinion that i consider to be true obviously.
In regard to the pitch debate, i dont think its obvious that you did make a distinction between Grattans pitch and The Cross. Fair enough its all cleared up now but i'm sure you can see where i was coming from?
As for the MSL reference! We're quite happy where we are thankyou and hopefully we will be challenging for the Aul Premier League title next year along with yourselves! Perhaps you may need to purchase a new pair of rose tinted glasses as i think your long sightedness has resulted in you looking too far south?!:rolleyes:
Any one know about the keeper who has signed from Avondale to Ramblers? Any good
what do you mean proud to play in the aul littleman..they just facilitate teams and may i add more teams each year thus watering down talent all over the county....they are non-progressive in fact in my humble opinion they stunt the growth of their best sides by them living in a land that time forgot!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
times have moved on the aul hasn't thus best sides leave every season fact!!!
i disagree with the "keyboard" (qwerty) from little island?? about the grattan "support" i've been there for games and the comment about better football teams being intimidated is wrong in my opinion i haven't seen a better football side then grattan allseason in fact i've heard it said amongst older spectators that grattan are the best junior side for a long time...(the comment from regional manager after the munster j cup defeat by leeside sums that up...quote "grattan were a far better football side" end of quote) all about opinions....keep the comments coming fellow noncricketers especially in the off season....yawn....
What is his name and I will find out :cool:how good he is??.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Yeah saw his name in the Echo - He has been with Avondale a good few years - made 2 unbelievable saves in this years Intermediate cup final in Turners Cross - Has a huge presence on the goalline but can be a little reluctant to come too far off it. I would say he will be good cover for your own Keeper but his best days are behind him I'm afraid - That is my personal opinion of course!!.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Congratulations to Pat Caufield and the Grattan lad's on getting the manager & team of the year,well deserved.
Thanks pass and move for your nice comments.I just took a break for a few weeks as last season was to long for me,Im gettin old I guess.A bit goin on since I last logged on.If every one just agreed with everyone else their would be no point in this.
I would just like to state that I dont particularly dislike the MSL.I just dont like the fact of having to reach a certain level to be allowed in.The great thing about grass routes football is that a bunch of guys can get together and in the space of 3 or 4 seasons have a cracking side.Ballypheane and Village before them to name a few.They are young clubs starting out and even though they might have the ability to play MSL,they dont as yet have the facilitys needed and I think thats wrong.Thats just my opinion.
On they AUL,yes they have there faults.But if when a team,a good team do get their facilitys in line with their ability so to speak,first thing they do is head for the MSL I think that dosent help our situation in the AUL.Just think if all those sides in the last ten years had stayed how strong would the AUL Premier/Premier A be now.Its only a matter of time before the MSL starts to feel the kind of strain that to many teams bring.I agree with your points about the AUL,I just dont know how we go about fixin it until we agree to keep our best sides in the AUL for the good of the AUL...........
Well for the coming season any surprise transfers happening,,,,whos going to win what???????:D
Well Some news for the Premier. Kinsale are not going MSL. They have appealed their relegation and I think it was successful so they are going to be back in the Premier and challenging... I think their manager for the four in a row is going back to them this year (A huge loss to Innishvilla I must say as he is an excellent coach and a really decent bloke as well). So I wouldn't rule out Kinsale being very strong again this year. Grattan are the side to beat though, but it'll be interesting to see how Ballypheane do.Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
Looking at the posts not a lot happened while I was away, I do think littleman you are living in your own dream world if you think decent players want to play out their careers in the AUL. Thats in a league that has no criteria in terms of facilities on entry and certainly none for the clubs that are already members, Any club that has worked to build their Facilities are all joining the MSL - I know if I was still playing where I would rather play. Take this as a given the MSL are going to be even more attractive to join into the future unless someone wakes up in the AUL and change things FAST!.Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
I also agree with Innishvilla Grattan will be the team to beat and B/Phenane's results will be worth following. Sorry to hear you have lost your manager Innishvilla I did hear last season he is a class act from my sources but I suppose your loss is Kinsale's gain so watch out for them too I'd say!. Going to be an Interesting Season!!
Rules are rules and just because your a big club dont mean you can throw your dummy out your mouth and get a positive reaction.They had a player sent off in a game on a Saturday,and he played again on a Thursday.No game in between.Same ref did both games.How dumb is that and now they want to appeal on what grounds,insanity.
Soccer man,to say I'm lookin through rose tinted glass ect ect is a bit Irish from you.The MSL is not the b' all and end all.Some crack sides,some good sides,a lot of poor sides.Actually sounds the same as the AUL ,just on a smaller scale.Before you even go on about facilitys,dont think a shower or a flat pitch is a bonus.Yes its great to play on a good surface,and better still to have a shower,but I never played a game wheir the thought of a good surface or a shower won the game for us.Ability and hard work wins games.
You pit the top 3 or four sides in the MSL against the top 3 or 4 in the AUL.Theirs no one goin to hammer anyone.The football played by Ballypheane and Grattan and on occasion Kinsale or Leeside is more than a match for the best of the MSL.
I heard that Kinsale were successful in their appeal and will not be relegated as was reported earlier. If true, how was this similar to what Clonmel Town did in the Munster Junior Cup?Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
This has to be good for the AUL Prem as it will make it more competitive. Definitely better for the AUL Prem A teams as Kinsale would've been too good for that division.
I am not going to get into the age old debate about the MSL and AUL with you Littleman but are you really serious when you say Grattan or Leeside would give Avondale or Rockmount a game!!. 1st Div. in MSL is not as strong as Premier of AUL - passage and Blarney have proved that so no argument there but come on Littleman - you certainly live up to your name if you go for Leeside,Grattan!!. I do not know the ins and outs of the Kinsale issue but I agree that it was totally wrong on the Premier 'A' sides to relegate them into that Div. Imagine starting a season with the only achievable goal being second - absolutely not fair!!. Fine them heavily YES! Deduct Points YES! but Relegate them NO! (even West Ham did not get that).
my arse we'd hammer them!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shilts
How long are Ramblers in Cork Aul Prem A?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
Springers.
You must've signed a few decent players over the summer so, to add to the mighty team that won 6 out of 20 games in Prem A last season! Ouch!Quote:
Originally Posted by bellavistaman
Only joking, best of luck for the new season!
:)
ya we'd a horror in the end of last seaon very lucky to stay up. we struggled to field a team at times, the joys of the aul, i hate the end of season when some teams know there defintily stayin up but cant get promoted and they dont turn up or come late with a 50 year in goal.
Ya bella,nothin worse than havin to field a team against a team that needs a win bad to either stay up or avoid relegation especially when you think your safe.It happened in the 3rd division again this year where Macroom were denyed first spot when Killowen got a walk over in their last game,and won the league by a point.
Regardin what I said about Kinsale/Clonmel.The Clonmel appeal was a joke,they were caught rotten and still tryed to riggle out of it.Kinsale basically cheated and got caught now they too are trying to riggle out as well.
Whos wearing the rose tinted glass's now soccer.Anyone whose has watched the Aul Premiers top sides for the last few seasons would quickly agree with me that they would hold their own against the Msl's top sides.The final 16 of the Fai junior is of an equal standard to the Intermediate last 16 and Aul sides have been reaching that year in year out.Would it be a terrible thing to think that maybe the Aul is catchin up with the Msl.....................:p
Totally agree and passage proved it, munster cup final what more can i say. but i reckon Gratton, Leeside, possibly Ballyphehane definitly Kinsale all would.Quote:
Originally Posted by littleman
No doubt we will probably have the Msl brigade at our doors askin us to wash out our mouths with salt because of what we've said.Plus they will say that Passage are a Msl team and not a freshly extracted Aul side.:rolleyes:
Look I'M the first one to pat the Msl on the back for thier work on bettering facilitys and such,but just because you have them dose'nt give you the right to think your better than those who don't.Football in the Aul is improving rapidly,even with the problems the Aul has to overcome.Young clubs are pushing their way to the top of the Aul,cant say the same of the Msl.
The Msl dose not seem to be devloping any structure,just waiting till an Aul side developes it self and then accepts them on board.Theirs no ground work being done to cater for new clubs to start.Its only those who already have are allowed in,those who have not have appearently make do with the Aul,,,,,,,all I ask is everyone takes off the rosy glass's when reading what i've just wrote,you may just agree.And remember this is just the humble opinion of someone who has been playing junior and senior football in Cork for the last 20 years.
i'm not sure the premier aul sides would match the top 3 senior sides...
even in terms of fittness there is a gap....mostly brought about by.....again better facilities...and i would suggest better/more professional attitude from
the players but anyone outside the top 3/4 sides in the senior league could have been relegated in the last couple of weeks of last season which would suggest they are all much of the same...AVERAGE...i definitely think premier
sides are on a par with that lot....most are living on past glories and i agree with littleman here...it's nice to see new sides giving the big boys something to think about....
I agree also, that the top AUL sides would hold their own in the MSL Prem, but wouldn't win it. I also agree that the last 16 in the FAI Junior Cup is equal to the last 16 in the FAI Intermediate Cup. (I saw College Corinthians in the FAI Intermediate Cup q/f last year and the AUL Prem A would be too good for them and the same for the team from Donegal that beat them).
If both cups are of equal quality should there be only 1?
Stone him :)
The 1st 3 or 4 rounds of the FAI Jun Cup are usually a waste of time for the good sides as they are easy wins! This adds to the fixture congestion in April/May. Grattan played 8/9 games in May this year. Would seedings help here, with last years final 32 coming in at a later round?
In my opinion, the AUL doesn't do anything to improve the image of soccer in Cork. To my knowledge Park Utd in Mitchelstown are the only AUL club with facilities to rival a gaa or rugby club. There are 135 AUL teams and most of them are glorified pub teams that are only a step above putting jumpers down as goals for a kickabout.
The AUL doesn't deserve to hold onto the progressive clubs. That is, those who are trying to improve themselves on and OFF the pitch. Look at what Blarney United have achieved in the last few years. Compare that with AUL Prem team Glenthorn Celtic(just an example, there are plenty worse). Who would you like your son to get involved with if you had a choice?
The AUL Prem is not far off the MSL in football ability but in all other areas the AUL and MSL are poles apart. In 2007 the top soccer players in Cork (AUL or MSL) deserve the top facilities EVERY WEEK, other sports provide it. Why is it ok for soccer players to tog off in cars, sheds or worse, but not for gaa or rugby players .The few decent AUL clubs will get fed up of being lumped in with those who don't take the game seriously and decide to move elsewhere.
At the very least, the AUL should demand a certain standard for their Premier Division teams' facilities and let the pub teams do what they want.
But 'shur' what do I know ;)
As much as it pains me to admit it your right Shilts.The AUL though their thinkin their doin a good job are doin just the opposite.The once great Aul is sinking slowly but surely and the worst thing is they dont even see it.
Their will always be a divide between the Msl and the AUL.I meet players every week that tell me their playin senior and to be honest I couldnt see any of them makin a dent in the first 11 of either Grattan or Ballypheane,but because their in the Msl their deemed superior.Dose'nt fit well with me.The top Msl sides have big sponsorship deals.The top Aul sides have nothing even like that backing.For me and this is hard to say as I'm born and bred on the northside is for every club that wants or trys to make its`club better their is a small minority that do their best to destroy it.Northvilla Park is'nt even in use any more,Fairview were to use it and the corpo did up the dressing rooms only for them to be vandalised.Grattan,Temple and Castleview have all been vandalised.Only by a small few again I will say.
99.99% of people from the northside are fantastic people but when your doin all you can for a club and then some crowd with nothin but time and a crate of cans come along and wreck it it can be soul destroying for those trying to better their clubs.The northside of the city will always continue to produce the finest players but will also always struggle with the lack of any real financial backing to improve things.Theirs people in Blarney and other areas no doubt cant wait to use their new facilitys,and appriciate what people are trying to do for them.But the minorty on the northside would just look at it as something to destroy.Drink and drugs is the game they play and their just not interested in playin ball.I'm not meaning to paint a dark picture just being very honest
To you all I applaud - the last few posts have been excellent, it is obvious that you are passionate about your local soccer be it MSL or AUL. I agree with most of the comments believe it or not!. I take it littleman that there has been a recent spate of vandalism in some of the northside areas, believe me when I say it has happened in most places be it probably not as often because of population I imagine. I know what it is like to be committed to your team/club and then just to see some brainless thugs go on the rampage - it is not nice!!.
Lads, some cracking posts recently, i have been topping up my tan so havnt said a whole lot.
Shilts, i agree with absolutely everything u said. Some great points made. I think the top brass at the aul have their heads buried very firmly in the sand. Something has to be done to stop our best clubs wanting to join the MSL. Blarney and Passage obviously and if it wasnt for a few hiccups, Kinsale could of been up there too.:rolleyes:
But what can be done? Any suggestions?
I think the seeding is a good idea. Not just in the FAI junior but in the AOH and the Munster Junior too. These 10 nil victories are no good for any team. Clubs are almost penalised for doing well in cup competitions early in the season. The days of three games a week in may should be long gone.
Wat about the facilities? This is going to be next to impossible to regulate. Glenthorn seem to be getting a rough deal on here but it probably is deserved. Grattan are improving their facilities, Leeside have a great set up, Park too, Kinsale are working on theirs - clubs are moving in the right direction??