would any be able to make the step up to the eircom league?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metrostars
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would any be able to make the step up to the eircom league?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metrostars
It's hard to tell if that's sarcasm. :) I backed New York a couple of days ago and most of their team is full of internationals from Holland (Waterreus, den Bergh), USA (Reyna, Mathis, others), Colombia (Angel), Austria (Markus Schopp) and a couple more. If they're anything to go by the top teams in America are fairly strong. Last summer Celtic played DC United and they got destroyed 4-0. Celtic hadn't trained much but DC United really impressed.
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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Exactly right. There were over there - they heard about a decent prospect, decided to have a look at him not just in training but also under the (relative) pressure of an international match. Whats the problem?
So what if he hasnt seen him live...........the question is - "is he any good or not?" That should be all that matters.
All these whingers pointing out that Stan picks from only one league while ignoring another........Stan breaks with tradition and picks a player who...if he is good, then great, we have a decent prospect on our hands, and if he is no good...and if he is no good...we wasted 10 minutes of a nothing game.
Where he plays his football is irrelevant. Whether he has "earned" a cap is irrelevant (whatever that even means). How good he is - that alone is relevant.
And I'll bet that if Stan hadn't played him, and in 5 years he was banging in goals for the USA, people would be whinging about how Stan had a great chance to check him out when he was over there in 2007, and blew it.
From that list Ben Olsen and Reyna went on to play for the US, Olsen is a very good player who would be plenty good enough to be in our squad. Just remember Stan also capped Alan O'Brien :) who will probably play again aginst Bolivia and show us how effective speed alone without football brain/technical ability is. :rolleyes:
Still can't understand how anybody can justify his selection. His uncle, who works in the FAI, told Stan about him and what do you know he's in the squad. That's nepotism and could have both of them sacked, although it seems impossible to prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
By the off chance of that being untrue the best case scenario is that Stan's a muppet for picking a player of his calibre.
O'Brien is an experienced international with 5 caps which clearly how Lapira got picked ahead of him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Qwerty
So what if his uncle told Stan about Lapira? If he didn't call in Lapira to have a look at him, everyone would be complaining that Stan wasn't listening to his uncle, who works for the FAI. It was Ron Atkinson who told him about St Ledger, it was Kevin McDonald who alerted him to Gary Cahill's eligibility, and, in all likelihood, to O'Halloran's progress this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Wasn't Kerr alerted to the eligibility of various players in the youth setup by a parish priest, and a cab driver? Stan is listening to those around him, like I said, if wasn't people would complain about that.
I'm starting to think that his start in management is still counting against him and people are refusing to see any progress in the setup as a positive, and only focusing on the negative
You sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Metrostars
Why then if you're red carded in a Friendly the suspension applies to competitive games? Like Scholes and Rooney at the start of the season?
"With the exception of the conditions specified in par. 3 and 4 below,
any Player who has already represented one Association in a match
(either in full or in part) in an official competition of any category or
any type of football may not play an international match for a representative team of another Association."
I dunno for sure and the FIFA .pdf on the issue is a bit vague to me, but based purely on the noises being made by international managers over the last decade regarding the tying up of players like Steven Reid, Clinton Morison etc i'm fairly sure that a FIFA sanctioned friendly is enough to tie them in.... But I could well be wrong.
ok - let me try to understand the logic at work here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manc Irish Wolf
So ... If you are Irish born and playing professionally in Ireland then you have to get in the queue behind players of lesser quality because they have a hypothetical chance to represent another country?
Give me strength.
How do you know if he is of lesser quality ? If you do know this then fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by fergalr
Just think about it this way. If Stan didn't decide to go on this tour to the US, Lapira would probably never have been mentioned by the Irish officials or Stan. It was just luck for Lapira that he was in the right place at the right time for Ireland to take a look at him.Quote:
Originally Posted by fergalr
If Stan sees enough in him in training on this trip to include him in future squads then good luck to the lad. How do we know where he could go from here.
And you could also say that Stan can watch the eircom League lads every day of the week (not saying that he does at all) whereas he won't get to see Lapira too often "up close".
Stan probably watches the Eircom League as much as he watches Notre Dame play
Isn't that why Devlin was brought into the setup - to report on, and recommend, players from the eircom League?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soper
Player of his calibre? How many times have you seen him play? Is he any good? YOU HAVE NO FU**ING IDEA.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Stan might have seen him before, might not have. You do all you can as a manager to get ahead and be successful, fair play to Stan for sticking his neck out and having a look at him. The best young player in the US is eligible for us then you have to take a look at him, regardless of the circumstances. I almost guarantee you that he'd be better than alot of the players in the EL.
Cards in games have NOTHING to do with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
You forgot to highlight the most important part of that statement: "official competition". "Official competition" would mean World Cup qualifiers, euro qualifiers etc, even Youth level qualifiers are "official competitions" but that has the whole Under-21 switching brought in a few years ago.
In any case one of the guys over at bigsoccer sent an email to the FAI about this and got this reply:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=48
LOL, you really have no idea about the LOI, or Devlin, if you think thats the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
And Lapria, amy or may not be the best "young player in America" but if any of his defenders are going to be pedantic about him getting a call up, please call him the "best player currently attending college" rather than the title YOU HAVE NO ****ING IDEA about
Oh the irony nearly made me explode. Now run along, big boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
It seems you didn't even get close to seeing the irony...
show yer workings
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Originally Posted by timmy mallet
How many times have you seen him play to say this???? , which LoI players are you including - "alot of the players in the EL" - first division players, u21 players, squad players, or the top players who many people believe should be in the ireland squad???
btw what is an 'almost guarantee' - if your tv breaks down and you return it to a shop, do you get a refund if you have an 'almost guarantee'
I didn't realise it was the ACTUAL Timmy Mallet posting!
Was Reyna is the US squad while he was at college?Quote:
Originally Posted by gustavo
I am sure some of them have made a decent career in the MLS but is there any chance they have improved since they left college? :o
To use that logic we should be calling up youth team players to get a look at them early. :rolleyes:
A lot of them have ended up in the league under the MSL too. And some tried getting a club in their home country, and were unable to do so. So hardly inspiring.
Who said he was the best young player in the US? He won a COLLEGE'S award in an AMATEUR league! I guarantee you he wouldn't make most of the teams in the EL.Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy mallet
Your having a laugh son, how can you "guarentee" that when you don't even know how good he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by bohsRap
the same way you've generalised about the eircom league in the past?Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
I didn't let you down, did I? ;) :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Soper
:ball: PP
I'm disappointed
Perhaps you would be good enough to enlighten us as to why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Soper
:ball: PP
Thats a big claim. Surely he would get into the UCD side if he got a scholarship to do his Masters there. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bohsRap
The thing about those cases are that the information was coming from people that had knowledge of football and seen the players play. I've never heard anything like that about Kerr but if that was the case that can't justify Stan doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
That was the reason but is far from what he is doing, e.g. Alan O'Brien.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Look at the award he won. All quality international players.:rolleyes: How many times have you seen him play? Is he any good? YOU HAVE NO FU**ING IDEA.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy mallet
There's no might- he hadn't before he was invited to train with the squad.Quote:
Stan might have seen him before, might not have.
Best young player? Just shows what you know about him.Quote:
The best young player in the US is eligible for us then you have to take a look at him, regardless of the circumstances. I almost guarantee you that he'd be better than alot of the players in the EL.
How many eL games have you ever seen?
So Lapira's uncle, who works for the FAI, never saw him play and has no knowledge of football?Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
From http://www.kickinmagazine.ie/jpanayi1622001.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
I'm convinced I read it elsewhere tooQuote:
Irish underage supremo Brian Kerr has called on the huge Irish communities in the UK and America to act as scouts for the Republic of Ireland soccer teams - revealing that a parish priest and a taxi driver have tipped him off in the past!
Kerr wants Irish people living abroad to let the FAI know whether promising young players have an Irish parent or grandparent.
He revealed he found out from a taxi driver that Wycombe's u17 Irish international Ian Simpemba's mother was Irish; and that a parish priest tipped him off about Charlton Athletic's Adrian Deane.
After this week, the Irish management have seem play, know if he's any good, and have a decent fu**ing idea - certainly better than any of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
In all likelihood Stan hasn't seen him play live, but he has to have seen videos of him, otherwise he'd never had brought him into the squad - to see him play live.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
So who is the best young player in the States? Lapira is the best college player in the states, and previous winners of that award have gone on to play professionally, so why not try and get this guy on our sideQuote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Since when does going on to play professional football mean a player should be capped? Why not cap all of the professional Eircom League players? I'll answer that - alot of them wouldn't be good enough, when compared to our Premiership based players such as Doyle, Keane.
I fail to see how Lapira could be conceiveably thought of as having the potential to be good enough for the Irish squad on the basis that he may one day be a professional player. Jesus, he could end up playing for TNS in the Welsh league. Surely scouts would have been alerted to him if he truly had any sort of potential. It stinks of nepotism and cronyism.
No i haven't seen him play but I didn't comment on his uselessness without ever seeing him play, like yerself. Based on comments on here from a few living in the US about the standard in the MLS and having watched a lot of MLS games, he is more than likely better than most of the eL.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
Played in the eL, son. Standard, bar about 10 players, is very poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge
DmanDmyth used to manage Shelbourne
The people you mentioned, Ron Atkinson and Kevin McDonald, are experienced, well respected and have proven to be very good at their jobs, which are in football. Lapira's uncle merely works for the FAI- this requires no knowledge of football.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
That's the thing- after this week. What about before? Incidentally they clearly weren't impressed by him.Quote:
After this week, the Irish management have seem play, know if he's any good, and have a decent fu**ing idea - certainly better than any of us.
Like the "videos" of Alan O'Brien he saw on Sky Sports News?Quote:
In all likelihood Stan hasn't seen him play live, but he has to have seen videos of him, otherwise he'd never had brought him into the squad - to see him play live.
Seeing as you asked Freddy Adu is the best young player in the States. I'd say all of these are better than him as well seing as they made the squad.Quote:
So who is the best young player in the States? Lapira is the best college player in the states, and previous winners of that award have gone on to play professionally, so why not try and get this guy on our side
How many previous winners went on to play international football? Sweet feck all. And being professional does not make you international standard.
So how do you know if he's better than most eL players?Quote:
Originally Posted by timmy mallet
But you made comments on how good he is.:rolleyes:Quote:
but I didn't comment on his uselessness without ever seeing him play, like yerself.
:confused:MLS? He isn't even at that standard. Look at the previous winners of the award- how many have played international football?Quote:
Based on comments on here from a few living in the US about the standard in the MLS and having watched a lot of MLS games, he is more than likely better than most of the eL.
Proof?Quote:
Played in the eL, son.
Not only that I went one better and managed Notre Dame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soper
I'll jump on the prooflessness bandwagon by saying I used to play for Drumcondra in a parrellel demension, so I know it all.
I am Andy Townsend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soper
Hows the form Andy.