What Should the LDMC be Doing for Clubs ?

cut the amount of teams playing in the leagues some of the distances to travel is abit much.clubs who have two teams hanging around the last 4 divisons should be told they can enter only 1 team

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Originally Posted by abbeyvale

Well said, I agree.
I think we should be looking at playing more games on a Saturday as well as maybe even a longer break for refs on a Sunday.

So instead of a ref doing a game at 1030, and getting home at 1pm and then heading off at 1.45pm to do a 2.30pm game, maybe have some later kick offs on a Sunday, ie; 3.30 or even 4pm, just ideas, dont bite my head off.

And I know before you say it, some players will be working on Saturday, but like I said these are just ideas........

Anyone anything else to add????

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I think Saturday afternoon football is a great idea. You could have games kick off at 2:30. I know a lot of people work on a Saturday so they can continue to play Sunday football, but most people don't work Saturdays so a Saturday league would suit a lot of people. Even if they just started with two divisions to see how it worked out.

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Originally Posted by see's it

cut the amount of teams playing in the leagues some of the distances to travel is abit much.clubs who have two teams hanging around the last 4 divisons should be told they can enter only 1 team

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Some clubs have C teams playing in the lower leagues, surely an A and B team is enough.
Why are there so many country teams in the league. Sometimes you have to travel half way across county limerick to play a match, to places like ballylanders and kilfinnane, why when there are more than enough city teams to play. After all there is the desmond league for the country teams to play in.

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Originally Posted by Hoops 1967

Some clubs have C teams playing in the lower leagues, surely an A and B team is enough.

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I think by virtue of the fact there are C teams, it shows that A and B teams are not enough for some clubs, obviously. Some clubs have a lot more players in their catchment areas than others.

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Originally Posted by Old keeper

Please Please have your club write to the committee, It is not possible to make changes if the clubs do not request or support the changes.

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Will do. Thanks Oldkeeper.

On the Saturday thing, Im sure its worth a try but there are a couple of problems here with regard to schoolboy football. First of all its the same refs doing both junior and schoolboy so already you have a clash. And then you have the fact that most clubs with junior teams have schoolboy teams also. Where are you going to play these games? Most clubs only have one pitch.

In my own opinion I think you would be better off postponing the bottom 4 divisions until April and then it would be possible to play 2 games a week or you could have higher divisions midweek and lower divisions at weekend or vice versa. Thing is...this would not be as bad had the lower leagues played a few midweek games this season.

As for teams out in the country, in the main I have no problem, but 3 times in the last 3 seasons we have travelled out to Knockainey and the game has not gone ahead. Twice this was for an unplayable pitch. Extremely infuriating when it was obvious to all that the game should have been called off the day before and they couldnt be bothered. Let the city boys travel out for the laugh.

There is also a fair point about the number of teams down there. There are a few clubs with either both their A and B teams down in those divisions or a club has their B and C teams down there. Its a bit ridiculous that a club can have their A team in 3B and their B team in 4B or have their B and C teams in 4A and 4B. Whats the sense in that? One club in particular are known for signing all their players B and concentrate on winning either their B teams league or cup and giving walkovers in their A teams cup.

Hi All
Judging by the level of frustration it is obvious that there needs to be a release. At the next meeting I will propose that we have a meeting of all clubs in the lower divisions to discuss the most appropriate way forward as the levels of disruption to players and clubs is becoming far beyond what is acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Old keeper

Hi All
Judging by the level of frustration it is obvious that there needs to be a release. At the next meeting I will propose that we have a meeting of all clubs in the lower divisions to discuss the most appropriate way forward as the levels of disruption to players and clubs is becoming far beyond what is acceptable.

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hi old keeper,

i think that needs to happen,

will i tell my team the game is off as well :mad:

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Originally Posted by holycrossjock

will i tell my team the game is off as well :mad:

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If there is no Ref the game is Off, sorry!

Good idea Old keeper.

At least we know early that games are off. Can plan my Sunday in the pub now. :D

hi old keeper,

i just hope the ldmc will be understanding later on the season and not hand out fines to clubs in lower divsions when they will not be able to field a team due to the fact the have lost players due to lack of games, cause i'm positive if the situation isn't resolved that scenario will happen to some club.

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Originally Posted by larrywhite

Good idea Old keeper.

At least we know early that games are off. Can plan my Sunday in the pub now. :D

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you'd be in there if it was on aswell:)

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Originally Posted by see's it

you'd be in there if it was on aswell:)

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Very true. But not as early. :D

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Originally Posted by Old keeper

If there is no Ref the game is Off, sorry!

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Judging by the weather all games will be off:D

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Originally Posted by Old keeper

Hi Limeref

I applaud any referee who turns up for a game (I would be responsible for my fair share of abuse over the years but i think I dont cross the line too often an will always smile and forget after the game) part of our problem in Limerick is the degree of confrontation between the different bodies responsible for soccer. we all need to work closer together and the problems can and will be worked out.

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I agree that you do not cross the line that often, and when you do you appologise and shake hands after the game.

Clubs try and influence referees during the game (thats natural) but when a decision does not go their way they turn nasty. After the game they make their displeasure known and contine with their abuse until I either leave the venue or get into the dressing room.

This happens from Premier to 4B

I have no problems with the individual members of the LDMC, but I feel that any report that I have furnished hasn't been acted on (ie the offenders punished)

I agree that the different bodies need to work together,

referees need to be more hardline when dealing with offenders
LDMC need to meet out serious punishment to serial offenders
clubs have to take responsibility for their players/managers and supporters

Only when the above is done will the game in Limerick get better

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Originally Posted by Limeref

I agree that you do not cross the line that often, and when you do you appologise and shake hands after the game.

Clubs try and influence referees during the game (thats natural) but when a decision does not go their way they turn nasty. After the game they make their displeasure known and contine with their abuse until I either leave the venue or get into the dressing room.

This happens from Premier to 4B

I have no problems with the individual members of the LDMC, but I feel that any report that I have furnished hasn't been acted on (ie the offenders punished)

I agree that the different bodies need to work together,

referees need to be more hardline when dealing with offenders
LDMC need to meet out serious punishment to serial offenders
clubs have to take responsibility for their players/managers and supporters

Only when the above is done will the game in Limerick get better

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hi limeref

i agree with you, i was disciplined this year after a referee's report for doing a steve staunton... i was fined by the ldmc and totally agreed with the decision as i was out of order... i won't say i'm a completely changed man but i have definately a lot more respect for what refs do for our leagues..
and i think thats what all of us should do is show respect for all refs

here here

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Originally Posted by Limeref

I agree that you do not cross the line that often, and when you do you appologise and shake hands after the game.

Clubs try and influence referees during the game (thats natural) but when a decision does not go their way they turn nasty. After the game they make their displeasure known and contine with their abuse until I either leave the venue or get into the dressing room.

This happens from Premier to 4B

I have no problems with the individual members of the LDMC, but I feel that any report that I have furnished hasn't been acted on (ie the offenders punished)

I agree that the different bodies need to work together,

referees need to be more hardline when dealing with offenders
LDMC need to meet out serious punishment to serial offenders
clubs have to take responsibility for their players/managers and supporters

Only when the above is done will the game in Limerick get better

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I can say that the level of consistancy in relation to dicipline has improved and if a report has a serious offence the matter will be dealt with. We have issued two 12 month suspensions to players this season based on the referees reports, and the word is out that any serious infringment will be dealt with
My own opinion is that We should have meetings with the refs on a more regular basis and the code of conduct for clubs and managers should be agreed by both bodies. This would enable better communication and a much better understanding of decision making on all sides.

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Originally Posted by Old keeper

I can say that the level of consistancy in relation to dicipline has improved and if a report has a serious offence the matter will be dealt with. We have issued two 12 month suspensions to players this season based on the referees reports, and the word is out that any serious infringment will be dealt with
My own opinion is that We should have meetings with the refs on a more regular basis and the code of conduct for clubs and managers should be agreed by both bodies. This would enable better communication and a much better understanding of decision making on all sides.

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We all know Robert Earls was one, who was the other to receive a 12month ban??

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Originally Posted by Old keeper

My own opinion is that We should have meetings with the refs on a more regular basis and the code of conduct for clubs and managers should be agreed by both bodies. This would enable better communication and a much better understanding of decision making on all sides.

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What of refs who blatantly go out of their way to be biased against teams.(not just my own I must add, I've seen him do it to teams in my general area too) There's one in particular, who I'd love to name and shame, that does it. They are immune from action and yet players are meant to show restraint at the same time. Not easy I can tell you. Complain to the LDMC and you find him reffing even more of your matches, is what I've found on past experiences.

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Originally Posted by Roadend

What of refs who blatantly go out of their way to be biased against teams.(not just my own I must add, I've seen him do it to teams in my general area too) There's one in particular, who I'd love to name and shame, that does it. They are immune from action and yet players are meant to show restraint at the same time. Not easy I can tell you. Complain to the LDMC and you find him reffing even more of your matches, is what I've found on past experiences.

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Hi Road end


There are new proceedures in the FAI for isuuing complaints against referees these are very strict and will make a difference, I know when I play, sometimes I think the ref is really against us but that is biased and when you look at it in the cold light of day it seems that they were just bad decisions. I am not saying that there are no refs who would be biased against teams but I dont know of them. Complaining to the LDMC regarding a referees decisions on the field of play is a difficult one as it is usually one team who complains and this leaves us in a bit of a quandry as the winning team is usually happy, however we do try to tak all sides into account.

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Originally Posted by abbeyvale

We all know Robert Earls was one, who was the other to receive a 12month ban??

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Your watching my posts long enough now to know better than to ask me that!

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Originally Posted by Roadend

What of refs who blatantly go out of their way to be biased against teams.(not just my own I must add, I've seen him do it to teams in my general area too) There's one in particular, who I'd love to name and shame, that does it. They are immune from action and yet players are meant to show restraint at the same time. Not easy I can tell you. Complain to the LDMC and you find him reffing even more of your matches, is what I've found on past experiences.

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There are 4 reasons why a team can feel a referee is biased against them

1. He is having a poor game
2. He is biased against them (can happen but is not very often)
3. The referee is poor
4. The team(s) don't actually know the rules

1. This can happen, a referee can just have an off day (some have more than others)

2. If this happens there is no excuse

3. Every referee starting out is poor, he only gets better with experence, until he has that experence teams will feel shortchanged. Every game a referee will learn something new, and a referee will be his own worst critic.

4. Just look at the thread(s) that "The Ref" has set up on the quiz, not many know the rules 100%, so you can feel that a referee was biased against you, where in fact he was only implementing the rules.

Also as Old Keeper said, the winners of the match will usually be happy and won't feel that the referee was bad or, as happened to me, both teams felt that I was biased againt them - explain that?

Was at a match last sunday and the ref, who i had previously considered one of the top refs in town, was in charge. Don't know what happened him but man he had a stinker!.. For the 1st time that i have ever heard of, the ref spoke to our manager after the match and expressed his own opinion that he had just had a stinker...our manager was taken aback but understood, situ explained to players. because of this small bit of humility by the ref his standing in the eyes of the players and the manager actually improved...maybe a few more could learn from this guy... i now have a higher opinion of this ref because of this...

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Originally Posted by leather

Was at a match last sunday and the ref, who i had previously considered one of the top refs in town, was in charge. Don't know what happened him but man he had a stinker!.. For the 1st time that i have ever heard of, the ref spoke to our manager after the match and expressed his own opinion that he had just had a stinker...our manager was taken aback but understood, situ explained to players. because of this small bit of humility by the ref his standing in the eyes of the players and the manager actually improved...maybe a few more could learn from this guy... i now have a higher opinion of this ref because of this...

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In fairness, there are only certain clubs a referee could do that and have it received in the positive manner that it was taken. I could name at least 10 clubs that I wouldn't get away with that.

But fair play to the referee in question - I think I know who it was;)

That was very good by that ref. You are true though about refs willing to talk to management. The best refs in my opinion are more than willing to talk to you or the players about any decisions. They also have no problem having a chat before the game or after.

Those refs who show up thinking they are Collina and on some power trip, acting like school headmasters are the worst. There are a few of them around who treat every player and coach/manager like a child and dish out cards for fun and under no circumstances will talk to anyone about any decision they make. These are usually the guys who end up getting most grief from players and its all of their own making.

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Originally Posted by Limeref

Also as Old Keeper said, the winners of the match will ussually be happy and won't feel that the referee was bad or, as happened to me, both teams felt that I was biased againt them - explain that?

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We've won a lot of of times we've had this guy, but it was despite him. Its certainly not a case of him just giving poor decisions. The entire team groans at the sight of him being down to ref our games. Its been like this for 4 seasons at this stage. I know the rules of the game and I know how they should be implemented. Fairness is the issue here. Its only this one guy I have to stress, but it really is an utter joke.

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Originally Posted by Roadend

We've won a lot of of times we've had this guy, but it was despite him. Its certainly not a case of him just giving poor decisions. The entire team groans at the sight of him being down to ref our games. Its been like this for 4 seasons at this stage. I know the rules of the game and I know how they should be implemented. Fairness is the issue here. Its only this one guy I have to stress, but it really is an utter joke.

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you can always get frustrated with this but to put in the simpliest form... this ref doesn't ref two teams,or even four if the ref does two games a week, don't get a game of soccer... these ref's give up there time we need to respect that a bit more as suggestions say lets have more communication it can only help this situtation.

I dont think the refs in town are that bad except for one notable exception. Its not thats he biased against particular teams it he's so biased FOR one particualr team and strangley he seems to be down to ref them quite often, courtesy of the fixture sec.

any budding sherlock homles out there?

In fairness to the others around they have more good days than bad in the most thankless job in football

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Originally Posted by MitreSize5

I dont think the refs in town are that bad except for one notable exception. Its not thats he biased against particular teams it he's so biased FOR one particualr team and strangley he seems to be down to ref them quite often, courtesy of the fixture sec.

any budding sherlock homles out there?

In fairness to the others around they have more good days than bad in the most thankless job in football

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FON Balla:D :D :D

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Originally Posted by MitreSize5

I dont think the refs in town are that bad ...

In fairness to the others around they have more good days than bad in the most thankless job in football

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I agree, most of our referees are good quality.

Also the Society are working to improve the all the referees in town by holding development meetings monthly, and I can tell you they are very helpful.

I hope you all see the results on the field of play;)

why did that question have to be answered this thread is about what the ldmc can do for the clubs, not witch hunt officials.... simple facts are with no refs no games... what would you then do with your sunday afternoons. so can we have ideas suggestions on how all teams in the league can get games and work with officials. jesus lads it isn't the premiership :eek: and the officials decision if there are wrong or right don't mean its the end of the world as we know it, so a bit of a reality check why don't you try referee a match and see whats it like... would be interesting to see from a different prospective :)

Hi

The LDL have called a Delegate meeting on the 7th Nov in the Boro club the meeting will start at 9pm sharp and will enlighten clubs as to the single reason why the league treasurer was suspended. Any other rumors relating to the committee's decisions will aslo be addressed including the one of sitting members canvassing to have the committee removed.

When are the new fixtures being printed and is there leagues game this weekend for lower divisions?

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Originally Posted by holycrossjock

When are the new fixtures being printed and is there leagues game this weekend for lower divisions?

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Hi Jock

Bit of a delay in getting the dates from the FS but as soon as I have them they will be up.

no probs, have fingers crossed we have game this weekend :)

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Originally Posted by holycrossjock

no probs, have fingers crossed we have game this weekend :)

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It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to play 3 games between now and February:mad:

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Originally Posted by 3 Heroes

It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to play 3 games between now and February:mad:

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been very mild winter so far, this global warming thing is starting to kick in...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 3 Heroes

It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to play 3 games between now and February:mad:

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i think alan aka (larrywhite) is thinking more the in way of " It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to see 3 heros play 3 games between now and end of season " :)

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Originally Posted by holycrossjock

i think alan aka (larrywhite) is thinking more the in way of " It's Ireland in Winter, you'll be lucky to see 3 heros play 3 games between now and end of season " :)

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