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It wasn't stated as far as I know, but I think I'd agree. Which is nonsense, as grounds take time to build, and some were delayed because the Governement withheld grant funding because of Delaney's appointment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Trader
Done it already. Will try and dig up results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Edit - forgot to include European results, but they won't make any appreciable difference. I added in marks for the league standings at present too and got the following -
Code:Derry City 1
Bohemians 2
Cork City 3
Shelbourne 4
Drogheda United 5
Longford Town 6
St Patrick's Athletic 6
UCD 8
Shamrock Rovers 9
Dublin City 10
Waterford United 11
Bray Wanderers 12
Sligo Rovers 13
Finn Harps 14
Galway United 15
Dundalk 16
Limerick FC 16
Cobh Ramblers 18
Kildare County 19
Athlone Town 20
Monaghan United 21
Kilkenny City 22
Yes it will Rogue Trader, plans for development are specifically mentioned. I was just pointing out that going back 5 years hurts ye as you're higher than at any time in those 5 seasons, and were midtable in the first for some of them. However, ye should do well on a lot of other areas.
Interesting. I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galway Harps
Just don't take it as Gospel!!!
It's a guesstimate based on the vague information given so far.
Looks positive on the whole, but one major problem: why is Niall Quinn among those who will decide the fates of clubs, given that he is actively engaged in taking sports investment out of this country?
Sorry will nail my colours to the mast and say this won't work.
Firstly does anyone think the FAI will do this right given their track record. I don't and as soon as the buzz dies off, the league will be left rot again. Delaney and Co want a super league, full time pro. increased attendance etc yet have not given any indication on how they will achieve this.
Next the wage cap. I agree its needed to force clubs to run their affairs right. However I have no confidence the FAI will enforce it and we will still see clubs spending far more than they have got. What happens then?
Next on the 50% for football, clubs like Bohs/Rovers etc will get points for spending money they never had over the last 5 years while clubs who ran their affairs right won't. Rovers for example point out it was not them but the old board but will not benefit greatly for those actions.
As for future plan, well we hope to have a brand new 10,000 seater stadium and €25m in the bank. Makes us, in theory, the biggest club in the land. However given planning etc it might never happen. How do the FAI decide how realistic plans are or not?
Next I have no doubt this will end up in court, does that do the league any good? Can't see how it will.
This is where subjectivity and court cases are going to come into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogue Trader
In the last 5 years we've had 1 promotion play-off and 2 re-elections
so that dosen't bode well for us. :o
On the other hand we're doing Ok this season so far, have a new stadium
coming along nicely and our youth teams etc are decent so theres emerging talent.
PDF's now available on www.fai.ie
I haven't read the details yet but it does not appear to be radical enough. The league is floundering & needs radical shakeup. All we can ask is the rules are the same for all clubs. If clubs cannot meet the criteria then sorry but tough.
Wages restrictions are very important. If the league is to be taken anyway seriously then have to ensure no boom & bust clubs.
Will be very interested to read any media & maketing schemes planned centrally by the FAI.
Yez fell down badly on the fact that youz failed UEFA Licencing last year (i.e. only club to have licence revoked) and the fact that yez don't have a ground with 3000 safe capacity (don't know if groundshares are allowed).Quote:
Originally Posted by northside hoop
I don't necessarily agree with my own results, I should point out.
We failed last year, this year we passed with flying colours.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
As for having no ground, ironically it looks like UCD & Bohs maybe the only 2 Dublin clubs with grounds of their own very soon. Rumours (and no small amount of facts) suggest that Olly's little mob have already been given their marching orders by Ossie Kilkenny and his Mulden mates and that Pats are also on the way out of Richmond - if not senior football altogether.
Having said that the FAI will shaft who they want and look after who they want - and I say that as a Rovers fan who realises that we'll be looked after when others won't. Doesn't make it right though.
KOH
UEFA Licencing over the past three years is looked at, I think. So yez'd score worst there as only youz have had a licence revoked.
Your last paragraph is spot on, I think.
[QUOTE=Jerry The Saint]And I cannot understand how anybody with the league at heart thinks it's acceptable that the Premier Division will consist of teams arbitrarily chosen by a panel of individuals appointed by John Delaney:
What's the alternative? We stand still and let the league flounder along? IF this is implemented to the letter it is good for the league. I know stu's results are not the finished article but it doesnt look like there will be much difference between who's in what division now and 2007.
I'm not saying this cos some think we'll be "looked after" either. Our league record over the last 5 years is pretty average: 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th and 11th.
KOH
Will all Dublin teams get the same amount of points for this?Quote:
10% location
Jaysus WeAreHomeless, you really do like to be sensationalist dont ya....Quote:
Pats are also on the way out of Richmond - if not senior football altogether.
But they are provinces. If you add up all the fans from Shels, Bohs, Pats, Rovers, UCD and Dublin City it would be more than Leinsters. You can't compare a province to a club.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
[QUOTE=NY Hoop
I'm not saying this cos some think we'll be "looked after" either. Our league record over the last 5 years is pretty average: 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th and 11th.
KOH[/QUOTE]
But is that fair given you spent money on wages you never had. Otherwise your record would be a lot worse maybe in a lower division. So now you are being accessed in an unfair manner given that you only paid 4% of the debts incurred. Not trying to start a Rovers/Bohs thing just trying to highlight how unfair this is.
My figures were for on-field only. Add in off-field and you can replace UCD, Rovers and Dublin City with Bray, Waterford and Sligo.Quote:
Originally Posted by NY Hoop
But WeAreRovers highlighted the problem - it's so subjective, they can (and likely will) cherry-pick who they want.
The alternative is proper implementation of UEFA Licencing.
Chippie's point is interesting too.
I take it this is the estimated ranking on football performance. Does anyone else find it odd that Derry (5th, 8th, 9th, 7th, 2nd over the past 5 seasons) come out first and Shelbourne (2nd/1st:rolleyes:, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd) are only the fourth best team under this system! :eek: Crazy idea to include the league cup which was an U-21 competition for many teams over this period. Even including the FAI cup is silly - you get penalised for getting a tough draw in the early rounds:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And this is the scientific part of the team ranking. I call shenannigans.
I don't like it. Promotion and Relegation should only be decided on performances on the pitch this season. Most of the off the pitch criteria is far too subjective, and sneakily concocted so the FAI can pick and choose who they want - it absolutely stinks.
By all means they should set (and enforce) minimum standards for stadium capacity, spectator / media facilities, wage caps, and increase the prize-money, but all this stuff about market size and sustainability will bring the whole league in to disrepute.
Furthermore, the proposed name is an absolute joke. Do the FAI think that they'll trick some barstoolers into stroling down to Richmond Park to see Liverpool v Spurs? We should be confident in what we are offering; even 'Carnegie League' would be better than the f*cking 'Premiership'!
Shels have done very badly in the Cup in recent years; Derry have an FAI final, a LC win and a couple of semis.
Dont think anyone agrees with clubs being demoted cos of field activities but its up to the clubs. IMO they will vote for this cos of the financial carrot.
And chippie its not fair that we were lumbered with incompetents as owners but what's done is done. Also examinership is better than liquidation ask the creditors.
Overall its a good proposal IMO and there's always going to be sticking points.
KOH
If only they had known. Ollie could live to regret selling the Tolka lease to win leagues when he should have just concentrated on those mid-week league cup games. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The document on the FAI website says "At the end of the 2007 regular season, there will be one automatic promotion (Division 1 winners) and one club automatically relegated (last place in Premiership)." The word automatic inplies that only on-field perfromances (i.e. position in the league) will determine promotion. It's reasonable to assume that clubs relegated for off-field reasons will have strounger teams than teams already in the First Division and will be quickly promoted leaving us with the same teams in the 'Premiership' within a year or two. The play-off system will add to this.
If (for example) UCD and CHF are relegated for off-field reasons, logic would dictate that (as with most relegated teams) they would be challanging at the top of the division. If they were to get promoted, the 'Premiership' would be nearly identical to this year's. So what's the point of picking teams for next year's league?
They'd only get back up if they had then met licenscing criteria- but that doesn't include the beauty contest stuff- so it's a once off punishment rather than eternal damnation.
To make it look like they are doing something that will "improve" the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
It's hard to get into this argument after 11 pages but on the matter of UCD being a university club and therefore unable to be taken seriously, well that's only a matter of opinion and one reinforced by fellow eL fans constantly. Universidad de Chile and Universidad de Catolica are among the biggest and most successful sides in Chile and have been heavily connected to their universities over the years and I think Catolica continue to do so. Then there's Craiova in Romania, another successful university club. I don't think they're associated with the university anymore but they were during their most successful period. There is no reason why a university club with a university name cannot be taken and supported seriously. UCD suffer more from the general problem of the eL not being taken seriously and not being well supported than ourselves being a university club. We came late to the game and have no left over traditional support from the league's stronger times. We've had to build a fanbase up from zilch in the league's darkest period. We've been established for 20 years now and the fanbase is finally begining to grow and I think we're taking the right path by getting youngsters in at a young age and familiarising them with their local team as a real club like anyone else.
I believe the salary cap is a good idea. However this reminds me of the Nice Treaty, Ireland was portrayed as bad to accesion states and against their joining the EU because we rejected the terms of the treaty/couldn't be bothered to vote on it. I believe there is the odd good idea in principle, setting higher standards, salary cap etc. But the means of achieving this are not good, and just because I am against this it does not mean I am against progression.
*shudder*
I think I might be off to the LSL. Might win a cup there anyway....
some of the other proposals leaked today:
".....the term 'barstoolers' will be retired to be replaced with 'cash rich, time poor potentio-premiership crossover cutsomers' (CRTPPPCC's)
Pat Scully will only be allowed use the phrase "don't worry about (team x) they'll be right up there at the end of the season" ON EL WEEKLY if he has cross checked his team with John Delaney CEO and janitor of FAI-JD
a JD and Coke will now be a John Delaney and Coke at all affliated stadia
said stadia due in 2034
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Could you imagine Niall Quinns report card?!?!?
ah they were all so good in the end it was difficult to choose....he'll probably pick them out of a giant hamper live on the lat late show
By the way, does anyone not think that any system that could save this season's Waterford team is a farce?
LOL Post of the Month!Quote:
Originally Posted by wws
:D :D :D
you for finn park tomorrow night wws?
Sorry if this has been asked and answered before, too many pages
to trawl through, but why is Niall Quinn one of the people deciding
the criteria to shape the League of Ireland???
Surely if he was that bothered he'd invest more into football here
than buying Sunderland
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
I've been asking that question for months, well a variation of it and mostly to myself while drunk, but the point remains that Waterford are abysmal and are pretty much guaranteed a place in the P*********p next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Student
They could go the rest of the season without picking up an extra point (and I don't fancy their chances against Douglas Hall either) and yet still deny Rovers, Limerick or Galway etc a place in the shiny new Smart Telecom How's Your Father Niall Quinn's Disco Pants Elite Premier League. Bizarre.
KOH
I fully support nearly all of the changes the FAI want to make like even more money, wage caps, incentives for clubs to try and gain promotion from the first division as they can only lead to a more professional league....
However I don't know what they were on when they came up with "Premiership". that word is a complete mockery of our league and in my oppinion barstoolers will just laugh at it... :mad:
second that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_T
As long as only clubs that are/have been sponsored by Smart Telecom are allowed in, I'm in favour of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeAreRovers
It was asked, by yours truly, but I don't think there's been any answer. I really wonder about how much thought goes into these decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash