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Oh the TV deal situation is a right **** show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
https://www.theguardian.com/football...v-deal-ligue-1
Though I meant for €20M I'm surprised Palace didn't try bring back O'Brien. They spent a couple of million less on a 21 year old CB from Real Betis whose also had one season of top flight football.
Has this transfer to Everton actually been finalised ?
Doing his medical tomorrow supposedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Not sure I believe this needing to sell narrative, they broke their transfer record to sign Niakate from forrest who is 6 yrs older and cost them more than they'll get for Jake.
Yeah, that's the bit I don't really get from Lyon's point of view. I get selling an up and coming player for a massive profit to a Premier League team, but it doesn't really make sense to, in the same transfer window, spend more again buying a 28 year old from the same league who is unlikely to generate any profit in future. Presumably Niakhate is more "ready to go" for the coming season, but as a longer term investment it doesn't really make sense for Lyon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rayzor
Would it be a football accounting thing?
Crystallise a €16m profit and expense the new guy over six years for whatever it is - €18m over six years say. So a €13m profit for this year's accounts.
Football accounting can be quite weird I believe.
None of it really makes too much sense. Niakhate signed for £27m on a 4 year deal, which is amortised at £6.75m / year. Jake was sold for £16.5m (€19.5m), so £15.8m in profit (when you remove the £200k already accounted for).
So for this years accounts, Jake gains you £15.8m and Niakhate costs you £6.75m -
I dunno, maybe they thought they could get more like £25-30m for Jake when they signed Niakhate?
Do Cork City get anything out of this?
I saw it reported that they get 1.5% as a development club. So that should equate to 300k.Quote:
Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
Will he start without question for everton? If so it's an amazing move imo. Will be interesting to see who HH starts for us at BG. Some talent there
Andrew O
Nathan Collins
Jake
Dara
Also Egan will be back
I don't think so because Dyche when at Burnley eased Tarkowski and Mee into his starting XI. Dyche might change things up and go 3 at the back but think he'll be third choice CB replacing Branthwaite when he leaves.
about 4 weeks of Jake's wages at Everton so..Quote:
Originally Posted by OMTY
is it really too late for me to make it in football ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Yeah he definable should have refused to leave LyonQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Scored on his debut in a friendly against Preston.
Bit worrying he can’t get into this Everton team while Branthwait is injured. Last week Keane and Tarkowski were both preferred to O’Brien. They lost 3-0 to Brighton.
Dyche opted for the same pair again today and they lost 4-0 to Spurs
It's all about Premier League experience though, there's nothing more important than that mythical Premier League experience and O'Brien doesn't have any!
He's only just signed, he'll presumably start the league cup game midweek and hopefully given how badly Everton have been doing he should get his chance in the league before too long. I'm not overly concerned about it and you could easily argue that it has been to his benefit missing the first two games given how they've gone.
Dyche always seems to take his time when introducing new CBs into his team.
I'd say that's a n excellent start to the season for o brienQuote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Looks like Everton needs some decent defenders.
I would be looking for a return trip to Lyon if I was himQuote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Dyche is a manager who rarely rotates. If you’re in, you’ll stay in. If you’re out, good luck to you. O’Brien needs to take his chance well when he gets it.
It's set up well for Jake to come in and improve things. That said, Everton's problems clearly more widespread than the defence though
Hopefully we see him repeat the exact same trick as last season. Come into a struggling team and transform their results. Haven't watched Everton play but you'd have to assume after conceading so many goals that they'll have to consider a change in CBs.
O'Brien has described himself as a "ball-playing centre-half" on a number of occasions. It makes the decision to join Everton all the more confusing, albeit you can see the obvious appeal of playing in the Premier League. Sean Dyche teams aren't really renowned for their defenders' ball-playing abilities. Rather they are lauded for their out and out defensive traits, plus their capacity to score from set-pieces. So, perhaps O'Brien is a signing for Everton's post-Dyche future.
O'Brien plays a great long diagonal from the back. I think he'll suit Dyche's team once he gets his chance. As was said above, hopefully it works out like Lyon and his chance in the team coincides with improved results.
With their star defender out injured and Jake still not in team, it would make me wonder. Brantwaite (sp) may not get sold because of the injury, and assuming Jake was bought as his replacement. Seemingly Dyche doesn't think Jake is ready for PL. Disappointing all round.
I dont think its that necessarily Drummer. Dyche did the same last season - started Keane and Tarkowski before gradually transitioning Branthwaite in permanently around game 4 or 5. I do think that Jake was signed to replace Branthwaite next summer (I really dont think theyll sell him this window; if anyone goes it will be DCL I'd say) but ahead of Keane this year. The injury to Branthwaite probably caused Dyche to go more conservative and not want to go with Jake from Day 1 ahead of Keane. We'll see how it goes but I am confident he'll see plenty of game time this year.
Wasn't following the latest transfers and just noticed that this guy went to Everton.
I'm a bit disappointed. Lyon is a great club to continue development at, yet he opts for the Premier League meat grinder.
Must be the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
Everton ship three more goals, this time to throw a 2-0 lead away and lose 3-2. That was enough for O'Brien to be brought off the bench, coming on for Gueye (I think) with 25 to go. Was booked and couldn't stop them letting that third in, but still, hopefully a foot in the door there.
13 goals against in four games for Everton this year, as they stay bottom of the league with no points.
That's some goal conceding from good positions ~ Surely O'Brien has to be getting in that team, soon / now !Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
You'd have to wonder how long Dyche sticks with Michael Keane, he's such a liability for them. O'Brien only came on because Everton switched to three at the back as Villa had two up front. Then Villa scored the third (nothing to do with O'Brien) and Everton had to push, so they went to a back four and O'Brien played right back, which isn't his position. So he was only actually at centre back for a few minutes.
I thought he did well after coming on. Won 3 clean tackles without going to ground and from RB he carried the ball out of defence very positively before sliding a ball through to Calvert-Lewin who hit the underside of the bar. He has a confident demeanour about him.
(Edit: I misremembered - his wasn't the pass that fed in DCL, it was the pass before)
Started tonight in the League Cup against Southampton - no guarantee he'll keep his place for the next league game of course, but they only conceded once (a 1-1 draw) so that can't hurt his chances of getting into the team more often.
Though it won't be in the League Cup, as they lost on penalties
He will learn a lot watching Michael Keane from the bench this season. Not necessarily good things, but he'll learn a lot.
Good news - Keane dropped to the bench for the visit of Palace today.
Bad news - Jarrad Branthwaite starts instead, with O'Brien still on the bench.
(Potentially good news - Everton already 1-0 down)
It looks difficult to see where he’s going to play much barring injury to other players,that was the first time Branthwaite was in the squad and went straight into the starting lineup while Tarkowski is the captain so is going to play….Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Goodisonnews.com repeated on 1st January the Irish tabloid story that Everton will block any approaches for Jake O’Brien in January "despite the defender being out of favour under Sean Dyche." The same website are today tipping O'Brien (34 minutes of PL time in 2024/5) to get a start against Peterborough Utd in the FA Cup.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86