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Bless you for your optimism. Our pessimism stems from past history.Many of us here remember Euro 1992 when Ireland were unbeaten and failed to qualify. Similar scenario seems likely here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shae_B2D
As regards being unbeaten and failing to qualify.... here's one for Gerrit.....
Belgium failed to qualify for the 1974 World Cup... and did not even concede a goal in the qualifiers how sick is that? Two 0-0 draws with Holland who went on to play in the WC Final in Munich.
I have lost all respect for Israeli football ! what I seen out there last night was a disgrace. Israel should be ashamed of themselves !! they can take no pride in gaining that one point
Not quite a matter of perspectives. If you accept that O´Brien should not have had a red card then it follows that you admit that the keeper did his utmost to cheat, fake an injury and get him sent off.Quote:
Originally Posted by go israel
If he gets high marks for a performance that included all of that, then it is sad.
I did see those antics with Ben Alim twice, did he also get high marks for getting Trezeguet sent off?
Those cynical antics are not as commonplace as you might think in International football, but are similar to what we experienced with the Iranian team.
The worst we have seen with a goalkeeper feigning injury was with the Iranian goalkeeper here in the play off for the 2002 WC. Probably because we won the game his antics of repeatedly falling to the ground are not remembered with anger.
We did not win this one and we had 45 minutes to get a goal. No amount excuses cover that.
As for the blood (alleged), remember the South American qualifier where the goalkeeper cut himself and claimed he was struck by a missile :-)
As for Keane , he was bundled over but we did score immediatly after, so a penalty would not have mattered.
The player Benayoun is an exceptional player, lovely to watch, deserves high marks, the most skillful player on the pitch but most definitly Tal was man of the match. What about Pinball (Pini Balili), what jail did he escape from? He makes our Lee Carsley appear handsome and skillfull. :-)
Your thread was deleted for a reason, which I explained to you in a private message. Very well then, since you want to act the hurt little boy, I'll explain it in public for you. You came on here trolling, looking for a wind-up, and that's against the rules. If you don't like it, don't come back. I shouldn't think you'll be missed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenny
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Hear Hear. And fair f*cks to the fella that had a go off the goalie at the hotel. I'm not a volent person, but i know i would have :)Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
That kind of behaviour puts me off international football as a whole, which is a sad situation to find myself in. Cheats, at any level, are b@stards. At Cork City, we've had the infamous Dan Connor to deal with. I used to get angry, then i realised one day that he's the loser. When he retires in a decade or so, he'll be remembered as the 'cheating dancing one'. Same applies to Twátu or whatever he's called. He's the loser in the long run lads, remember that.
And a nation who see him as a hero are even bigger losers...
what happened ???Quote:
nd fair f*cks to the fella that had a go off the goalie at the hotel. I
You have some very good players (undoubtably Benayoun and Tal) but your'e insight into Israeli league soccer could explain an enviorment where Pini Balili could be regarded a star :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shae_B2D
This particular way of time wasting and the type of theatrics are more alike football in the Arab world than European.
If you are going to fall apart some time in the group then why not at the Faroes next September?
As they say there is still some football (hopefully) to be played out in this group.
After 7 yellow cards, any suspensions?
as for remarks about flags etc... i dont agree with them being there. But i do recall union jack flags being waved in Ramat Gan
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Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
Then he fell off his barstool :-)
:D :D HERE HERE!Quote:
Originally Posted by jofyisgod
Very glad to see several Israeli's telling it how it really is and how they are disgusted with his antics!
Good post mate-KEEP THE FAITH!
Well I hope he did and someone gave him a proper kicking :DQuote:
Originally Posted by geysir
The Israeli media is a load of WáNK !! Did anyone read that sh1t they are writing ??
Did you? where?Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
read the sh1t here
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/584252.html
And how did you expect them to report the match? If that's as bad as the Israeli media gets (and I doubt it, but that's by the bye) then I'll swap Haaretz (or whatever it's called) for each and every one of the "Irish" Mirror, the "Irish" Sun and the "Irish" Star.
Now, who's media is ****? :o
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we are in World cup 2006, You're probably not.
yay. :cool: :p ;)
That website should get it's facts right....we haven't lost at Landsdowne since 93? Mick'll be delighted to hear that.
"With the minutes ticking away, the Irish frustration boiled over, and referee Kyros Vassaras of Greece sent off Ireland defender Andy O'Brien in the 85th minute for an apparent elbow on Awat.Quote:
Originally Posted by thejollyrodger
The Racing Santander goalkeeper was the hero of Israel's game. He was injured on several occasions as he fell desperately at the feet of the Irish strikers to deny them sure chances at goal."
So its true, he was not faking it after all :-)
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Originally Posted by sirhamish
In Basel in the 3th of September there will be 10,000 fans from Israel, and if we will qualify for world cup there willbe between 10 to 25,000 Israely and jews there.
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Originally Posted by Nipper
Here we start again....We are not counting Swiszerland since yesterday night...Israel the arroGrant!!!!!
The reason why Awate was Israel's hero last night is that he did make two amazing saves.
I think that it was innapropriate from him to fake in that O'brien incident but appart from that incident he did not fake as much as you think he did.
True, maybe he did waste a couple of seconds but he was seriously injured and it was well shown on T.V.
Anyway, there was a 7 minute stopage time and I think that wasting time never works. It should have been that way but Israel was lucky as Ireland didn't gain the 3 points that it deserve.
Somehow we keep play poorly but in this campagne we manage to get some decent results.
I belive Ireland has more chances on finishing first than us finishing second.
And despite your anger, I still wish you good luck in the future as it is very important to maintain the good relations between us.
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Originally Posted by Ron Amikam
We didn't count Austria and Slovenia either...
This Israeli's 0.02$:
First off, I don't care. I don't think that this team represents Israeli football, and I couldn't care less wether Israel will make it in.
Now.
I'm fond of Duff and the Irish team as a rule, I think that you have an excellent midfield game and a world class offence although your defence is poor. Luckily for you, (my favourite player) Balili is dumb as a mule and although very agile on his feet and REALLY fast, he has a funny little hobby called offside. Plus I personally laughed my arse off when he ran straight all the way behind the goal.
Awat:
The guy's a cnut. What he did was disgusting and dishonourable but I don't think that he was stalling for time, because he did get injured rather bad. If he did FIFA will sort it out.
I do have to give him that he managed to stand firm against a relentless 30 minute constant attack that would break most of the europe's toughest goal keepers. Much less than what you did to us broke bartez to pieces.
Benado:
Should have gotten a red card at the fifth minute.
Both teams' players could use a lesson in sportsmanship. Although Awat was a disgrace he did take in a lot of aggro.
Your coach is an idiot. You had a winning team till he made the switch and you could easily end this game with a nice 3-1 at the least.
In all honesty I think that the best team won this game. You played your game way below average and israel that has great material and no technic managed to give a good defence game but a nonexisting offence game.
And most important: As I said in the beggining I don't care who gets in. I wish you luck and although I don't support it I wish the Israely team luck as well, but even if it were the swiss and faros I would have been ok with it.
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT FRANCE.
The ref?Quote:
In all honesty I think that the best team won this game.
And to think that he is one of the best (or perhaps only) strikers we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuval
Eh, no. In fact, this is the fundamental misconception hindering the development of Irish football. National selections are supposed to be celebrations of the vitality and vibrancy of a country's football culture. In Ireland's case, it's merely an indictment of the poverty of another country's football culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
When even an ultra-nationalistic culture such as Israel's can more readily grasp this differentiation, you know you have problems. :rolleyes:
ARbietman, Moshe biton and Asulin are a lot better (aldo, Asulin can't play 'cuz he did'nt serve his 3 years in the Army).Quote:
Originally Posted by Israel
About Awat - I hate him.
Davidovich and him play together at every team (kids, Youngsters and so on), And davidovich was always the first to play - Awat was only a Sub.
Bad luck for Davidovich, He has a big knee problem the ****ed up his career (Better then most goalkeppers in the world - Shoukd have seen him before he got injured against Spain, almost 4 years ago).
Anyway - We got Ohad cohen that, in my opinion, is better Then Awat to, Just short of experince.
Argggghhh CAn't belive that he is going to play in Viareal - He probably has a very god agent.
Do you remember the Goal he conceded against Beitar Jerusalm ?? or his poorly Preformence's in the Champions League.
GOd ****ing DAmit, How did he get to europe ?!.
I don't understand this, Yuval. Israel's squad seems eminently representative of its country's football. Only a handful of the Israeli party earn a crust abroad (five out of twenty-one?), and I'm guessing that even the foreign-based players received their football education at home, in contradistinction to the Irish squad, which is surely the least representative of any on earth (with the possible exception of Palestine.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuval
If Balili had anything between his ears, Israel would have won the game. How many times did Benayoun set him up, only to see his team-mate run offside? :mad:Quote:
Luckily for you, (my favourite player) Balili is dumb as a mule and although very agile on his feet and REALLY fast, he has a funny little hobby called offside. Plus I personally laughed my arse off when he ran straight all the way behind the goal.
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Originally Posted by go israel
none of our achievements in football were soured by the type of diabolical unsporting behaviour your keeper showed! Its not what the game is about! We cant deny you your draw - well done but you have to admit it has been tarnished a bit by this joke of a footballer and some of the cynical fouling by your team.
Enjoy it - but be realistic
As ever, such fine bombast, Sheridan. Please do enlighten us as to what you're actually trying to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
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I think he's saying many of the RoI's squad grew up in England?
Actually couldn't give a toss where they grew up (insofar as it affects their "national/ethnic purity" anyway), and the fact that anyone would is just another symptom of the syndrome I described in my previous post but one (which provides all the elucidation anyone could require.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan Gardner
Haha, yeah...Quote:
Originally Posted by brine3
But I meant that the draw was a fitting score.
What I'm saying is that recruiting to the team seemed a bit political, and I'll leave it at that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
Hey I know. What can I say, I love the guy, he's all heart, but he's not the brightest bulb in the box...Quote:
If Balili had anything between his ears, Israel would have won the game. How many times did Benayoun set him up, only to see his team-mate run offside? :mad:
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Originally Posted by D2 Red
YOU SHOULD LOOK IN THE MIRROR !!!(or is it because you looked in the mirorr you are so angry and frustrated or it is just because you are a racist?!...)
After this kind of post and a few more of this type that i've found here
i'm really happy that it ended 2-2 (and maybe even disapionted that we didn't won at the end )cause you don't deserve to win despite having better players and a better team
I thought better of the Irish and you were known to be true sportsmen knowing also how to lose...
yes,I felt uncomfortable with the over drama of awate and THINK the red card for your team was wrong judgment . but allso your players played tough and hurt him(the blood wasn't ketchup he brought from home,yo now..)
It is also true that at the begining Benado touched one of your players and even I who is not a real football fan know the ref could gave a pennalty and we will not have the right to say that he is totally wrong(i know in this situations sometimes you get a penalty and sometimes you don't....and it depends on the ref angle of sight or just his judgment & resolve -intentionally or not...)
sure,you have better players(one on one...) with better skills ,in better teams,in better leagues but you also ,probebly ,know that football( and all sports ...)is not jus't "the technical side" ...in this "other area" we were better! and at the end we got the draw which is for my opinion a win! the win of the spirit !
you can feel disapointed because you have more potentioal but we deserve some respect for our comeback!
those who don't like israelis or "jews" -I don't care about! ....
but those who have true respect for the spirit of sport have to get in perspective and if you want fairness from us - recognizing your talent and the mistakes or unjust decisions of the ref' or misbehaviour of our goalkeeper( only the one time he made an act that led to the red card-that was bad and yes-shameful for me...) - you also should give us some credit for the great spirit we've shown.this is sport! more than "just the body"!....
No, I recall it now. It's a reference to the lack of quality inherent in Irish domestic football and the national team's consquent reliance on the coaching infrastructure of another country to nurture its talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan Gardner
So what do you suggest we do to address those problems? I only ever seem to remember you coming out with this argument when times are bad, but I don't recall any positive direction. Let's hear it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
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by the way
I'm not sure that Awat has signed in Villareal allready.
And it is really funny to think that from all players in our squad Balili is one of the few to play outside Israel.
http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...ationalisationQuote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
Times are neither good, bad nor indifferent as far as I'm concerned. I just feel moved (out of amusement, more than anything) to comment whenever the FAI's playthings get their heads handed to them by a real football nation and, despite the cacophony of wailing and keening which inevitably ensues, the penny still fails to drop.Quote:
So what do you suggest we do to address those problems? I only ever seem to remember you coming out with this argument when times are bad, but I don't recall any positive direction. Let's hear it then.
You can be as esoteric or obtuse as you like, but until you propose something different and workable in everyday English, then you're as much as part of the problem as those of us who remain, shall we say, less enlightened. In short, sh*t or get off the pot.
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Haven't actually got anything to add, I just wanted to congratulate you-your posts are always a joy to read, due to the amazingly profound way you write.Quote:
Originally Posted by Plastic Paddy
They are the grammatical equivalent of sex... ;)
Awat's behaviour was a disgrace but only for the O'brien incident. That was a shame for us Israelis.
About the other - as I said, MOST of the time he WAS injured. You could easilly see that. for the minute or so he wasn't - just consider it as a time out taken in the game to reduce the speed of it. eventually there's no waste of time in modern football. The ref adds it in the end.