Printable View
Yes but they're also saying Giovagnoli will be in charge of the football side of things and he's still not qualified as far as I'm aware. It's a fair enough question as to whether and why the FAI/UEFA will allow that to continue.
Our own Daire Doyle and Drogs' Tim Clancy are both on the current Pro Licence course so I assume they'll be ok next year.
Would this be the second time the pope went to Dundalk?Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
The Pope went to Drogheda, so this might be an ironic first.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
interesting then to note that the frontrunner for the job is Jim Magilton, who currently is a coach with the IFA and just happens to have a Pro Licence.Quote:
Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
It would be somewhat of a co-incidence if whoever gets the job has a Pro Licence. Even then, unless the person with the licence is actually the main coach and decision maker, then that does not cover the requirements. Though we have seen blind eyes being turned to that sort of thing before.
Shane Keegan has a pro license and is presumably not being moved on so they'd be sorted in either case until Giovagnoli can get himself on a course, which I'd imagine would be a formality for Dundalk with the FAI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
Shane is the manager listed for the Europa League games and you had the funny scenes of the cameras in Vienna zooming in on him when Giovagnoli is the one giving orders.
I wonder why is Shane Keegan not applying for the Dundalk job when he does have a Pro license?
Its all a strange arrangement tbh. FG was appointed in head hunted way. So there wasnt really a job to apply for. He happened to have the pro licence and didnt have to fall on his sword when VP was sacked. So his role as opposition analyst evolved to being from the bench where his licence was needed. He could keep the analyst role but also be on the bench for games.
I'd say its because he's not very good!Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Is it worth giving the Italian guy the job, when it seems clear that stephen Kenny will be available at the end of march - or do dundalk fans believe he wouldnt go back there?
They say never go back but I think we'd have him! It would be a bit like 2014 again anyway with a team and reputation to rebuild. He'll be given at least WC qualifers, if the draw is nasty maybe longer. The lack of goals can be chalked off to covid stuff, maybe a lucky manager after all?!
Having been on the end of "One stephen bradley" from the Dundalk and Bohs fans for 2 or 3 years can i just say that "in Filippo i trust" :)
If the rumours of jim Magilton coming in are true that must be a positive for DFC , he knows his way around as long as Big Bill lets him do it
As much credit for Bradley getting his hands on the league trophy goes to the club for sticking with him and letting him improve himself as a manager and the squad, especially when there was pressure coming on from the stands He has veen a very understated chap recently, both after the cup and this league when he could be roaring from the rooftops without much kickback.
Fillipo isnt tested, he is on a hiding to nothing and could yet work out. When he talks about having 'signing his players' I will start to worry!
fg wouldn't know his arse from his elbow as far as loi players are concerned but he's a decent coach seems. Bring in dof with keegan(make weight) handy solution,Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
If you believe SK will lose the Ireland job over some stupid motivational video then you deserve shoite every heaped on your shoulders.
He's more likely to lose his job over the terrible run of results. Not that I think he will just yet for either reason.
So, was this all being kept quiet? :cool2:
Out of competition
Dundalk FC / Mr Filippo Giovanoli
Charges:
• “Shadow coaching”, Art. 4.01(e) & art. 6.01 (b) UEFA Europa League Regulations in connection with art. 36,
art. 40 & art. 42 CL & FFP Regulations
Decision:
The Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body has decided:
• To ban Mr. Filippo Giovanoli from carrying out any function of a head coach, as well as of any coaching staff,
at UEFA competition matches until he fulfills the criteria contemplated in Article 36 in conjunction with Article
40(1)(b) UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations. In particular, Mr. Filippo Giovanoli shall not
seat in the technical area during UEFA competition matches until the above criteria are fulfilled.
• The club ensures that Mr. Filippo Giovanoli is informed personally of this decision.
• To fine Dundalk FC €50,000 for the violation of the general principles of conduct (i.e. for not playing 2020/21
UEFA Europa League matches under the direction of a head coach who holds the minimum coaching
qualification as defined in the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations).
• The above fine must be paid within 90 days of communication of this decision.
Will the FAI also be forced to act and could it have implications for the league?
This was mentioned before I think. Well, not the fine, which is huge, but his ban. It's why he was in the stands against Rapid at home.
Strange to allow him there for the first three games. But UEFA rules are quite clear and Dundalk will have known that. (Especially as the former licensing officer called them up on doing the same thing with Perth as manager last year)
FAI licensing rules are equally clear, but the FAI have failed to act previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Points deduction of 10 points seems fair.
First division is going to be strong next year 😀
In all seriousness though 50k is big fine and dfc did have a qualified coach on the bench. Seems bit harsh, i do think this obsession with badges is more of a money making racket for the different associations
€50k is approx. 1% of the prize money Dundalk have earned from Europe so far this year , so in relative terms a small fine
50k is 50k no matter what prize money is earned. Its at minimum one decent players wage. Maybe Rovers would be willing to suck it up but its not that long ago that 50k would have broken DFC. FG wasnt initially allowed on the bench v Arsenal iirc, but was then allowed. Is that his or DFC's fault. 'Shadow coaching' happens all the time with various coaches giving instructions. The only error here is maybe naming a head coach without the appropriate badge, Keegan was named as manager in subsequent games. I get the reason behind having pro qualified coaches but its ott and unnecessary when the head coach has a significant background in the game. Call it recognised prior leaning. Keep on gloating though Mr P.
I think the earnings this year will 'only' be around 3.2M, so its still a fair chunk to lose, but I suppose in terms of the starting figure it can be managed. Not sure if this is excessive by UEFA or should DFC have taken additonal steps to mitigate against a potential fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
There is also some info floating around that DFC got 150k for no fouls v Arsenal, thats pure b/s in my view, nothing was confirmed, pure twitter rubbish.
On the Pro Course, a local journalist posted this am, there is only a window to enroll every 2 years and it takes 18 months...................bring back Vinny !! (he has his badges now)
If earnings are 3.2 by the time travel + bonus payments are paid to players, managersss FG SK VP JG AR that number will come down a lot and 50 k is a big kick in the ass for any loi club.
In DFC case Peak6 have lots of money and the 50k wont make a blind bit of difference to them one way or the other.
Its the principal i have a problem with, the whole badges thing is BS.
Call FG the Director of Football and SK the head coach and UEFA are happy but the situation is the same
Doubt the yanks will care less about the 50k fine tbh he was their man they knew he didn’t have the badges and they’ll take that on the chin without even blinking you would think.
Sometimes known as "Grandfathering":Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause
Afaik, when the FA tightened up on coaching qualifications, Sir Alex Ferguson had to rely on this.
But I somehow doubt that Giovagnoli is another Sir Alex.
No disrespect, but that (amateurish) attitude is precisely one of the things which has held back Coaching on these islands, and explains why so few British/Irish people coach abroad these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The best way to think of it is to replace "Coaching" with "Teaching" - you never send a teacher into the classroom unless he/she had a degree and a relevant qualification, even though some without them could do the job well and those with them cannot.
These days, as well as players, Portugal produces top Coaches/Managers out of all proportion to its size. And the main reason is because they treat it very seriously as a Profession, with internationally-recognised University degrees and the like, eg:
https://football.fmh.ulisboa.pt/
Wether you agree with them or not, the rules are there to be complied with and these are the rules and regs signed up to by clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
There is no gloating, I am a Dundalk fan, and take no pleasure in highlighting such issues. However, these 'liberal' interpretation of the rules by the FAI have been going on for years.
There was also expenses to be added into the 3.2M figures, as Uefa allowed travel expenses for the pre round single leg games for away team, so DFC will be due addtional monies for the trips to Hungary, Moldova and Andorra. There is no expenses for the group games, that's built into the base figure of 2.92 M for each club.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
50k is a still a big fine whatever way its dressed up, but P6 can easily absorb this, however it might be 50k less invested into the team for 2021.
Isn't there a question mark as to whether P6 have ever invested anything into Dundalk in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
They can't absorb anything if they don't invest.
Found that Pat's fine actually in an old issue of STIG - €15k in 2008 for "something something licensing", as John Delaney put it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
If I stand behind the dugouts and shout at the players am I shadow coaching and leaving the club open to being fined. As long as there is a prolicence holder on the bench its just about job titles after that, manager, head coach, first team coach or just simple coach, which is daft. If there is a requirement that all must need a pro licence that is daft too. If SK is nominated as head coach, why shouldnt his coaching staff step up to coach. Its not uncommon for a manager to sit and observe while the assistant prowls the technical area barking instructions.
Apologies if Ive jumped the gun, at times it seems that the ills of LoI/FAI get emphasised by IL fans. Maybe that has to do with the past tendancies for LoI fans to look down on IL. We really are only starting on a new phase of FAI admin, previously as everyone know 1 individual did his best to keep LoI as a basketcase. So maybe still a touchy subject. IL structures have been worked on with a view for longer term develoment and sustainability so is well ahead on that. We know the weaknesses our league has and the mountain of work that is needed. Debates will rage on on how to improve and develop and maybe you are right that some rules have been overlooked. In this particular case, and yes rules are there to be adhered to, but its wishy washy stuff when coaching staff can have titles tweaked to suit. The bigger 'rule' that Id have issue with is that any ground can be licenced if there is a planning appication in for a new ground/development - which could take 20 or 13 years or never.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
And you believe that oriel Park should have a Premier license?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
And Dalymount park, where any 5foot 6 inch person can touch the crossbar with their hand from a standing position?
Lads let's be honest, lots of our facilities have licences and they shouldn't have.
Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Your picking me up wrong , i have respect for the badges and am often struck at my local junior club at the difference in coaching the kids get from coaches "with badges " who have had some training and dads who are helping out.
My issue is that at a professional club where qualified coaches are employed as they are at DFC saying the manager has to have a badge to manage is BS.
What does it achieve?
100%, imagine a club trying to sort application for coaching jobs etc without asking for certain badges etc they'd be inundated.Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
This whole saga just makes PEAK 6 look clueless , appointing a basically unheard of coach from some kind of American SOCCER academy to a team that had been dominating a country's domestic game for 4 or 5 years. A man with little if any knowledge of the league or any real manager experience Can't see that happening in many other European top flights
it achieves clubs not getting finesQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Im not totally sure where ye are coming from on yer point. But yes, domestically Oriel Park meets the criteria for licencing and as does Dalymount. That may say more about the licencing system than the clubs in question. Clubs have been facilitated up to now as the alternative is to have those clubs not able to participate. It is what it is and will take time to sort out, but I dont think clubs should be excluded as a result. Otherwise we have no more than 4-5 clubs arguably that have facilities that meet expected levels of crowd accommadation. What would your quick fix be?Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
https://i.imgur.com/MXMhxXv.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Certainly question mark over what they paid, however they would have had to buy out the previous joint owners, but in terms of investing, the only part of that has been on wages really.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
What I meant on absorb, the gross monies due from UEFA will be paid to P6, so they will be currently on 50k less from around 3m that goes to them, as they will already have paid all travel exps / bonus etc.