Few other friendly results from this week:
Linfield 3-0 bohs
Glentoran 0–3 shamrock rovers
Drogheda United 1–1 Pats
bohs 3–1 Longford Town
shels 0–1 Linfield
Drogheda United 1–2 shels
shamrock rovers 4–2 UCD
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Few other friendly results from this week:
Linfield 3-0 bohs
Glentoran 0–3 shamrock rovers
Drogheda United 1–1 Pats
bohs 3–1 Longford Town
shels 0–1 Linfield
Drogheda United 1–2 shels
shamrock rovers 4–2 UCD
Munster Senior Cup Semi Final between Cork City and Midleton live now on Rebel Army TV on YouTube.
Anyone got a date for the Glens v Shamrock Rovers game?Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
Thanks
How did this finish up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnie C
City 3-2 Midleton
21st JulyQuote:
Originally Posted by The Donie Forde
Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
Rockmount defeated Cork City 2-0 last night after extra time in the Munster Senior Cup Final to win the trophy for the first time. Goals below.
https://mycujoo.tv/en/view/event/997...c7q&src=CPT_EL
https://mycujoo.tv/en/view/highlight...O7UPOJaWdOYM51
I have a strong feeling that if Cork City play very poor v us next wk I think NF is out on his ear and I have no sympathy for Fenn whatsover. They are in serious trouble right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnie C
Is JC available? Sign Eoin Murphy...where's Sully?
I doubt they would sack Fenn. It has to be more longer term thinking. Not good when commentators are say things about players not caring but what was Bossin at?
Yeah saw the clip shocking from Bossin!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Two decent goals there, especially the first one, Rockmount was Keane's first club before Cobh I think?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnie C
It was, he was at the game.
Don't think getting rid of Fenn will solve any of City's problems. Whilst it's good to see many young local players involved in the first team squad, his recruitment outside of this has been awful, too many foreign loanees. And now a 30 year old English journeyman has been signed to score goals🙄 So any new manager would have to work with this very limited squad.
His budget is reasonable, we were never going to win the league but with decent recruitment and coaching we should have an outside chance of Europe or at the very least be a solid mid table side. Its his squad. He signed the players. If the players he has aren't good enough thats on him. He speaks and dresses well, and along with his history with the club all of that gives him a bit of a boost in peoples opinions, but his track record has never been that impressive. The argument was that he would be able to attract decent players from the UK and have us playing good football. So far he has done none of that really. Of the players he has brought in Dalling looks good in fits and spurts, Joseph Oluwo looks cultured but I'm not convinced, though individual players have to get a bit of leeway given the mess around them. His best signing was Joe Redmond but he has gone back to Birmingham. As for the football, theres been no purpose really. I'd much prefer a hoofball team that knows what its trying to achieve over whatever it is we're supposed to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnie C
Hopefully they can turn it around but I wouldn't be overly optimistic. They seem to have the weakest squad in the division. Let's not forget that many City fans couldn't get rid of the most successful manager the club ever had quickly enough. The grass ain't always greener and we're seeing the proof of that now.
El Pietro Fenn had us playing brill footie which increased our gates. I am perplexed on why he has gone back on playing great football or is he panicking? Whats ur opinion of Dylan McGlade? He was a bit of a mercanary whilst with us in his two spells and brought the crowds out but I heard that his discipline was very poor at MSC final.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Honest question, would you take back John Caulfield? Would he go back? Few know the LOI inside out as much as he does, plus I think it was a mistake parting company, should have written off that season he left, and started again following on, and kept him on.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
I wouldn't rule it out, John Gill came back to Dundalk after almost 10 years.
McGlayde is useless. He might win a team a game or two over the course of a full season with a bit of magic but offers nothing for weeks in between. He also seems to be unnecessary in our squad as we have similar players in Daire O'Connor and Cory Galvin, none of whom are good enough and all fill the same role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
I don't believe he played in the MSC final. He kicked a hoarding when subbed off against Bohs. I have no issue with that.
Can't see it happening, at least not at this point. If we were to go down I could see it as a possibility. If you were drawing up a list of attributes for a Cork City manager John Caulfield would be the perfect candidate. Regarding firing him at the time, I was one of the last to say he had to go but I think at the time it got really poisnous in the dressing room and between the fans and him. It was best for everyone that he left at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Cork had to cassh in their add ons from Preston to get out of a financial hole so I would be surprised if that was not reflected in his budget. Did a good job with Longford.
His budget is relatively competitive regardless of the clubs financial issues. Certainly enough for a mid table finish.
The more interesting question is , would you take John Caulfield ?Quote:
Originally Posted by oriel
Would Dave Hill not take the Cork City job if asked or is he irrelevant altogether? Pity as had lot of managerial exp with Cobh!
Wouldn't happen, but wouldn't be against it personally. He appears very harshly judged on his time at Cork (fair enough style of play was poor to watch but still effective).Quote:
Originally Posted by Calcio Jack
I'd certainly prefer him to just passing it on to Alan Reynolds, which may happen.
Keith Long is the obvious one to target, if choosing from within Ireland.
Its horses for courses with JC imo. Got CCFC competative in a workman like manner. When there was a championship level budget and ballers in the side he didnt adapt from the cautious approach and thats where Cork fans got frustrated. Currently a manager like Caulfield could stop the rot and avoid relegation with an average squad. Not likely to happen as it would take a serious step back by the BoM to make such a call even if it is arguably a right one in the current plight. That said Dundak and Cork are level pegging in the Pandemic League!
Keith Long to Cork? He'd be mad to take that on no matter what was on the table. Chasing down the bitter rivals for the league or a relegation scrap with a really limited squad and anyway he is holding out for a return to Oriel Park if VP gets the shove.
I meant Long to us!Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesta99
Vinny needs to be moved on. It's a matter of when, I'd say, either after Europe this year depending on if our form picks up a bit by then, or at the end of the season.
2 wins over Waterford might take some heat off him, but if they're another 2 performances/results like the last 2 then we'll maybe see how ruthless the owners are.
Whoever is sanctioning the signings or involved in recruitment, if it isn't solely VP, should leave too. The squad is a mess considering the money being spent.
There is some kneejerk reaction to the 2 recent results. Its far too quick for the club to leaning on VP. I get why people are swaying in that direction considering the size and cost of the squad but I dont want to see the club starting to pull the trigger on a manager, it becomes a negative cycle potentially. While VP is manager with Matthew and Gill able to speak up if theres something amiss in the squad. I actually think Higgens was a big loss in that regard. He was probably the link man between players and management like VP was under Kenny. We would like to see the squad used more but again it was a criticism of SK that he didnt necessarily pick form players.
There is no more wriggle room with results, but I'm not totally writing off the season just yet. Strange as it is I think Dundalk and Rovers would be out ahead if the league hadnt been suspended. Other clubs have used the time very well where we have been continually rigid in the system used and there isnt much mixing it up.
If it did come to it there is little doubt that Long has been proving himself as an excellent manager but it wouldnt be cheap to potentially offload 3 or 4 coaching staff and then pay compensation to Bohs and Long would probably want Croly with him too. We're more likely to see some name coming in from England which doesnt sit well either especially if its a journey man name - Big Sam could return to add to his winning the league in Ireland as he says himself.
Higgins certainly appears to be a loss but all this has been coming for a while given the recruitment since Vinny took charge.
Since Kenny left, we've signed Daniel Kelly, Sloggett, Leahy, Oduwa, Patching, Colovic, Flores, Murray, Dummigan, Smith, Gatt, Dogan, McCarey, McKee. Boyle & McMillan have come back in. 16 players.
How many have made a real impact? Daniel Kelly definitely and Colovic looks excellent. That's about it.
In that time we've lost the likes of O'Donnell, McGrath, Benson, Jarvis, Connolly, Ronan Murray, Georgie Kelly, plus a few others you wouldn't want anyway, like Chvedukas.
We've increased in numbers but it's quantity over quality now, and an increased budget.
Our three subs against Bohs were Mountney, Patching and Oduwa! And that was after only 1 change from a shocking performance against Pats. It's a mess.
You can talk about injuries, but this is the first season where the fitness coach, Norton, has been in place for a full year, so is there a problem there? The previous lad, Clarkin, did 2019 pre-season. We look off it in games.
It should really be questioned how there are so many injuries. The club don't seem to want to give any info on them either, especially Leahy and Murray, it's some kind of secret.
Robbie Benson was a strange transfer to St Pats Ath. Was it a disagreement with VP or what? Benson played well in game live on telly after pandemic.
I think it was over his commitment to full time football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
He's full time with Pats too thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
AFAIK he has more flexibility for his profession at Pats.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract
Think his job title is an actuary or something like that!Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
It is and he is known for being an academic genius. He could earn far more in a senior actuarial positions than in footbball, The problem stems from the tendency in that industry to require 26-28 yr old that have built a good track record in the job by that age. If he was only starting off at say 30yrs old he'd find it hard and competing against newly graduated. Simply with the no need to commute to Dundalk all week allows actuarial work time when at St Pats. We got a couple of extra seasons out of him at Dundalk nut he was always going to move in due course.