They can play in the leinster senior league if they arent happy with the LOI rules
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They can play in the leinster senior league if they arent happy with the LOI rules
The league/FAI should do whats best for players. Having 20 or so young lads playing LOI football is the right call to make. Id prefer an u21 league with all clubs putting a team into it but I imagine clubs are against that idea more than they're against Rovers B team.
The first division clubs have experience of this exact scenario before and are against its return. Surely the league should actually listen to the clubs involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
I remember the games against the B side. They were horrible. I am in no way surprised clubs don't want them back.
rovers B did ok when they were in the league and had certainly improved throughout the season. Mainly made up of U19's.Pity they did not keep the team going. The league has to be fair and the fact that the first division clubs cannot vote on structures is wrong. If the LOI is to imporove it has cover all clubs and not just the top 2/3 who by the way should be congratulated on their performances and success. The new structures at underage level have to have and end goal and it cannot just be to get across the water. We need a successful league over 2 divisions to allow these young players to progress their their careers.
I would certainly hope that a revamped FAI would take an active and suppotive role in improving the league of Irelans as it is the pinnacle of soccer in this country
I actually think it would be different this time, the last time it was poorly thought out and executed.
This time around (if what is being said is to be believed) it will be the cream of the academy (+ a couple of pros needing a game) and might draw a decent crowd (at home anyway).
respect your view but i think because it did'nt work once isn't a convincing argument not to try again.
I'd much prefer an under 21 / 23 League with maybe 2 or 3 over age players allowed in any one game but I can't see that happening any time soon 😏
I'd prefer to see some sort of third tier north/south reserve league alongside junior/intermediate teams who aren't quite ready for the step up to the First Division. Would largely consist of under-23 players, allowing 2 or 3 first team squad players in each match day squad.
They could call it the A Championship or something.
What if another LOI club not from the Leinster area decide to run a B team ?Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Where would that team play ?
Wasn't something like that tried out already but the clubs didn't want it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Personally I'd like to see a pyramid system running in this country from the very top right down to the local leagues.
Well Galway play in the Leinster Championship in the Hurling so if its good enough for them :)Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Come to think of it maybe we should ask London and New York to enter teams
None of them foreign games on here if you don't mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
The LOI says No No No :p
Perhaps a League of Ireland 'B' DivisionQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Speaking of League of Ireland B..anybody remember Gentex ? They played in the B Division was it the '90's ? Perennial whipping boys, if I recall correctly.
Limerick to be in the league with underage squads for next year according to Daniel McDonnell , excellent news !
That's sort of the point I was getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Clubs want rid of reserve division that acts as a third tier, but they also want to put a reserve team in the second tier.
I think, if anything, this whole debacle should reopen the A Championship debate.
Shamrock Rovers B officially in the First Division now. Discussion over, close the thread.
Let's call this what it is - a symbol of the failure of senior football in Ireland to attract anyone else to join it.
Up until about 10 years ago there were regularly clubs with their eye on joining the LOI. The vacancies that arose frequently in the league didn't stay open for long before replacements were found. Mullingar even had 2 clubs (Athletic and United) in an arms race between themselves to try to join the league about 15yrs ago, and both still lost out to Kildare (from memory) at the time.
Fast forward to the last few years and now NO-ONE wants to join the LOI. The First Division is already 2 clubs short of where it should be, and Limierick dropping out has left it 3 short and in the oirganisationally awkward position of containing an odd number of teams. And all because the FAI has made it financial suicide to step up to the senior game.
So thanks to our friends at Abbotstown the line to join the League of Ireland has been turned from a bunfight into a desert in less than a decade. Bravo Delaney and Co. Bravo (* insert ironic slow hand clap meme *).
Maybe the time has come to merge the top flight and bottom flight cut the dead wood from it. Put the dead wood in the LOI B along with the teams that are looking to make the stepup along with the different LOI B sides. Thats how we got into the loi in the first place as we were in the LOI B for four seasons before making the stepup. That worked well for years maybe we should revert back to this format.
None of that would address the fundamental problem though. Which is that the FAI have made stepping up to the senior game too great a risk for intermediate clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Until prize money is increased and/or, participation costs reduced (including fines) then why would any club risk their current set up to enter the League of Ireland ?
The Irish League pays a lot less in prize money - but it also charges clubs a lot less to participate. I think I saw a graphic recently which suggests that the net prize fund for the IL is therefore greater than it is in the LOI. Which is absurd on so many levels.
I can imagine a few statements from 1st Division Clubs to be released soon.
Our friends in Drogheda are not happy at all
What happens next season as a new limerick fc are aiming to rejoin? If new limerick get a license will rovers be kicked out or 11 team 1st??
Rovers B are fickle when it comes to long term commitment stuffQuote:
Originally Posted by Trainee
If Limerick United get a license you presume it will be at the expense of Rovers B.
That is if the club's don't kill it off quicker by refusing to play them.
Could it be Limerick and Dundalk B to join the league for 2021?
I cant really see Dundalk adding the expense of a B team. It would be good in terms of getting game time for squad players or those returning from injury of course. But without an extensive academy i dont see much real attraction - I'd rather see 100k spent on some tidy up of the ground!Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
It makes sense to the Rovers business model of developing academy players for sell on so could justify cost.
It's not just sell on to be fair we have trained kids for years and have to let the majority of them go at 18. A pathway is needed .
Reading that back it sounded like a bit of a sly dig, wasnt my intention (this time lol).
Didnt take it as a dig its the normal honestly held view within the league.
For anyone up around roadstone who sees the kids from 8's up it is really clear that we don't want to have to kick them out at 18 just because they arent ready for the first team.
An extra year or two playing in the first division will help them finish their development to the point they should be ready.
I hadnt actually considered that very valid angle. The big difference between Rovers and large schoolboy clubs is the direct route in to the senior game.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
As a fan of another First Division club I really couldn't care less about Rovers' entering a team in the First. If they have the resources and feel it's of value and it'll aid in the development of talent for Irish football then more power to them. My only concern would be the limitations on first teamers dropping down. This should be limited to window. Even if it weren't I wouldn't lose sleep over it. Is it their intent to play their home games in Tallaght?
3pm Saturday kick-offs in Tallaght stadium is a great shout in fairness. Interesting to see how it works for them, but it's certainly very family friendly.
Compared to 14 season when there was Friday night kickoffs. Great idea this!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
B team played Sunday afternoons last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinho II
Definitely played us there on the Friday night, I remember it well.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
But where will this end up, IF the clubs unanimously decide not to play Rovers B then really thats it
Won't happen. Proper procedures have been followed if the club's decide to boycott we might as well give up as the next time the fai try to impose a rule that teams aren't happy with there will be another boycott. Someone has to actually make decisions and run the league even if a minority aren't happy.
Pretty quickly the 2 or 3 clubs who are really against this will be isolated
9 LOI clubs to all agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingswood Rover
That'll be the day 😏
As soon as walkovers and fines are dished out for not fulfilling fixtures, some clubs will give in and play. Either to avoid the fines or they think they get an advantage over their competitors who haven't played.
The whole handling of this however still smacks of the old regime. Is Fran Gavin still in office? I haven't seen anything about him being replaced.
I agree the clubs would cave before the FAI (is even in administration), and tbh for the leaue to function it kinda needs the FAI to stand firm to prevent chaos with such a precedent. That said there needs to be a building of trust where clubs majority decisions get a fair hearing and not be railroaded in to something they dont collectively want.
I was wondering where Gavin fitted in to the whole 'new' FAI as I'd see him very much as part of the old regime yet there is little mention of him. I presumed it was because he was an employee rather than a voting member of the board so escaped the purge!?