But you'd have two unfilled ends either side of the Donie Forde on show then. At least the Derrynane goes the length of the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
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But you'd have two unfilled ends either side of the Donie Forde on show then. At least the Derrynane goes the length of the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straightstory
I really don't get this fixation about the optics of grounds on TV.
While I understand it has some relevance, surely the quality of the football and the competitiveness of the match are more important considerations for attracting viewers.
Presented with a choice in watching an Ireland V Kazakhstan friendly in the Aviva or Dundalk V Shamrock Rovers in Oriel Park / St Pats V Derry CIty in Richmond the LoI fixture would win out every time for me
Those last two words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
You're not the neutral to be targeted.
That's entirely obvious, but misses the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I'll dumb it down a bit -
A high quality game in a low quality stadium show be a more attractive TV proposition than a low quality game in a high quality stadium
No need to be so condescending Ezeikial, the point you seem to continually be missing is that no "Neutral fan" perceives the LoI to be higher quality than, the Ireland team or probably any other football match available on TV either. If a neutral switches on a game and it's in a nice stadium they are more likely to continue to watch it rather than sneer at the man and his dog in the battered stand and switch to say an SPL game with dire football but in a great stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
You can't guarantee the quality of a game beforehand. The two best teams in the world can put out dross. You know what the stadium looks like. A bad game in a bad stadium looks a lot worse than a bad game in a good stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
I've said this before but I'll say it again. We should be looking at getting our games broadcast abroad in a proper tv deal, not this ridiculous robo cam betting deal we have. Limit the games to only the best stadiums and divide the money roughly evenly among all 20 clubs but with a small bonus to the home and away teams involved for each game. This money should then only be allowed to be spent on infrastructural improvement. Either on Stadia or Training Facilities.
Explain to teams what they need to do in order to be considered for hosting games. Maybe funding could be dished out in a sort of grant format rather than x% per club per year. We need to constantly improve all of our stadia, including those that are currently considered the best, but we should be looking to improve those that are the worst as a priority and create a minimum acceptable standard.
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Originally Posted by Ezeikial
A high quality game in a low quality stadium should be a more attractive prospect, but in reality, it isn't.
All the TV deals, all the media coverage, all the stadium upgrades, and all the attendance statistics can be worked on and talked about, but at the end of the day, using your own comparison, if there's 30,000 neutral football fans tuning into a football match in Ireland, and the options are Dundalk vs Shamrock Rovers playing a superb game of free flowing football in Oriel Park, or Ireland vs Kazakhstan playing boring hoof football with no quality in Aviva Stadium, I'd wager 25,000 of that 30,000 will pick the Ireland game, irrespective of the quality of football on show.
Fair point. Apologies to Nigel and othersQuote:
Originally Posted by ArFella
I suggest that the perception of the quality of a LoI match is more likely to be impacted by the quality of the football than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArFella
If a neutral switches on a game and it is a nice stadium, but a poor quality match, do you really think that they are likely to stay and be captivated by the nice seats in a stand?
If quality of stadia was truely what dictated TV cover age, matches in Tallaght, Turners Cross, Showgrounds would have a significantly higher TV viewership than matches form Oriel Park - this is not the case.
I am not saying that stadia quality is unimportant, just that it is over-stated
If the Ireland V Kazakhstan match was being played in Oriel Park and the Dundalk V Shamrock Rovers match was in Aviva would you still bet on 25,000 out of that 30,000 neutral fans tuning into the fixture in the Aviva?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I think its more of a case that the league is perceived as Mickey Mouse by the barstoolers and people in general.
When they turn on the TV and see a Mickey Mouse stadium they see that as confirmation and even if the football is good they still say its a mickey mouse league. Even good play or goals are written off.
If what they see on TV in terms of the stadium looks good professional and inviting there is more chance of them coming along to a match.
I don't think its the difference between small crowds turning into big crowds but its an incremental thing.
That is only true to a certain degree though, Man United have played some of the most turgid football I've ever seen this season but I'd bet their games have more viewership than any other club in the EPL, because they play in a nice stadium? Of course not. They, like Ireland, have a well established fan base who will watch their games regardless, so the point of LoI viewing figures vs Ireland is moot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
The broader point of trying to gain neutral viewers and gain more new fans is directly impacted by how the games look on TV. We all know the quality of football in the LoI is good and getting better, but the quality of the Stadia, facilities, general TV watching experience is still going to keep away the neutrals who, for the most part, think the LoI is just pub teams playing in front of a few hundred dole-collectors. If the general appearance of the league on national media doesn't improve with the quality of the football the neutrals still won't believe it's any better as a whole, that's why it's important!
Pub teams playing in front of a few hundred dole collectors :) love that definition..... unfortunately you've nailed the barstoolers view thereQuote:
Originally Posted by ArFella
I suspect it's more likely to be based on prejudice to be honest. At best, of an outdated view of the game from years ago. At worse, from people who have never actually seen anything of the league at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
I recall that when that stand was first built at Turners Cross TV cameras use to show from the opposite side to show it. How did they work it in those days ?Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
That was before they put the roof on the Derrynane. They would build a temporary structure to house the cameras.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyD
Ah,ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
On tonight's game, Bohs have come back into it well since going behind. Couple of decent efforts from Watts in particular.
It's sadly probably one of the worst new build stadiums I've been in. Rubbish views mostly and shape doesn't keep sound in!Despite that I get what you meanQuote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Looking forward to this.
That's a mad aul hairshtyle on Kenny all the same.
He would be managing at a higher level I feel if he sorted that out alone.
When is the next game on TV?
Any RTE or Eir Sport schedule or announcements for May onwards!
What is it with RTE & Eir Sport!
Eir announce the TV coverage of Shams vs Dundalk in June as if it was the next weekly match while as most followers know they haven't shown a match on TV since mid April!
And the Champions played in Limerick on Monday night and the Sports reports on Tuesday mention the results while interviewing the runners-up about their win over Waterford. And then on the Wednesday they interview St. Pats after their defeat to Shams 3-0, while both teams are mid-table.
Do they realise who won the double last year and are challenging with the Dalk for the league title again!
Even the reporters doing the piece on radio must be aware they are talking to teams who are not in challenging positions and must ask why1
We all know RTE struggle to venture out from the comfort of Dublin 4, but now they are not even bothered to interview the teams challenging for the title!
:mad:
Most neutrals would view Dundalk V Waterford and as bigger game than Cork V Limerick, certainly in relation to the top spots in the division
The respective finishing places of the teams last season is not very relevant.
Does it count that they did an interview recently with Sean Maguire?Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Sean Maguire the ex Dundalk and Cork player hardly counts :)
Its a conspiracy against Cork and that's the end of it Bhoy
Obsessed...Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
:) :) only kidding you.
I'll be cheering for you on Friday!
Jaysus they spent the last three months of last season following Cork around waiting for them to win the league���� and not one game was in Dublin 4
I'd be fully in favour of never showing any games involving Dublin teams if it meant Cork people would shut up about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Dundalk v Cork live on 29th June on RTE Two.
This is great because it is on rest day between the last group games and the first knockout round, people will be looking to get their football fix and up pops the LOI's 2 best teams in a top of the table clash, could pull in a substantial number of barstool viewers, so let's pray for a good game and more recognition for the League!Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
They don't tend to be great games for a neutral, but happy it's on so I can watch it anyway!
Most Cork fans who were thinking of travelling will be delighted this game is on TV rather than having to experience again the lovely facilities at Oriel Park!
Thank you RTE!
Less Cork fans in the ground means less support for the team so maybe almost everyone (Cork City team excluded) will be pleased by this. It is interesting to reflect on how John Caulfield made repeated references to the atmosphere having a negative impact on them after the last defeat in Oriel ParkQuote:
Originally Posted by nr637
Given the away end and lack of a roof, you can't be heard on the pitch anyway, regardless of how many are there. Can't imagine it having an impact.
Players see it.Gaffer sees it.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Big factor imo
Whenever there's a big away crowd in Oriel, Rovers for example normally bring a fair few, I can hear it in the main stand. I can't see why it wouldn't be heard on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
I really don't think it is. You're talking about the difference of a few hundred fans, who you can't even hear. During the game, you're not exactly looking over much, it's generally the noise and vocal support that can make the difference in games imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToberonaTornado
I'm sure the players would of course be happy to see a big crowd, but they're professionals and they'll know the reasons. I can't see it having an impact.
Our crowd certainly doesn't or wouldn't impact the atmosphere of the dundalk fans, as implied above. I was in the stand the last game, and you couldnt even hear our fans from there, even though I could see they were singing.
The atmosphere of the home fans is definitely a factor and a large part of home advantage. We need to react better to it this game. And ideally, the players should turn up this time! Hopefully they'll feel they have a point to prove.
Big call on who starts in midfield now for Caulfield.
OK..i see supporting a bit differently from you it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by micls
Heard or not,support is huge for the players.They know.
Sports bar in London the last Cork V Dundalk match on TV. With so many other sports on including GAA they stick up what TVs are showing what in advance to prevent any hassle - they didnt expect the hassle they got from Cork lads that also arrived in for the game as they 'quietly' informed the staff who were LoI champions......
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