Match Fixing Thread - 18.05.22 10 Arrested in LOI Match Fixing Probe

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Originally Posted by redarmyfaction

I doubt anybody would lay you in excess of €50 for a 6-2 score in a game like that.

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They don't go for exact score ante-post bets. They gamble on wins/draws/defeats with + or - goals, with odds changing as the match progresses and the score changing.

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Originally Posted by redarmyfaction

the idea that Asian punters are staking enormous sums on LOI games on shady websites in the far east is beyond ludicrous. You might get some scammer online to "lay" your bet but try getting paid.

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"Industry insiders believe the worldwide online sports betting market (which operates mostly from Eastern Asia, which accounts for an estimated 80% of their activity) to be worth 1 trillion US dollars in terms of bets placed, of which 600 billion US dollars are thought to be wagered in China alone; give or take a billion or two, roughly the combined GDPs of Sweden, Finland and Norway."
http://josimarfootball.com/the-trill...gambling-game/

Of course no-one is suggesting that LOI Championship football is a focus for this trillion dollars(!), but even a minute fraction gambled on a minor European soccer league, or a youth tennis tournament in Argentina; or Kenyan basketball, or even two cockroaches crawling up a Hong Kong wall will attract these gamblers, since they don't give a stuff about the actual event, just the chance of winning.

And as the above article points out, events like the English PL are just too big, too well regulated and too scrutinised to be able to fix them.

Add in money laundering , tax evasion and the organised crime generally behind these sites, and you have ample motive for them offering odds on eg LOI football games and their customers for having a punt.

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Originally Posted by redarmyfaction

I doubt anybody would lay you in excess of €50 for a 6-2 score in a game like that. the idea that Asian punters are staking enormous sums on LOI games on shady websites in the far east is beyond ludicrous. You might get some scammer online to "lay" your bet but try getting paid.

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the punters are from all over the world. there will be loads of irish/uk punters using asian bookies.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

the punters are from all over the world. there will be loads of irish/uk punters using asian bookies.

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Really, and you know this how?

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Originally Posted by redarmyfaction

Really, and you know this how?

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because i use them and know loads more that do too, both here and in the uk.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

They don't go for exact score ante-post bets. They gamble on wins/draws/defeats with + or - goals, with odds changing as the match progresses and the score changing.


"Industry insiders believe the worldwide online sports betting market (which operates mostly from Eastern Asia, which accounts for an estimated 80% of their activity) to be worth 1 trillion US dollars in terms of bets placed, of which 600 billion US dollars are thought to be wagered in China alone; give or take a billion or two, roughly the combined GDPs of Sweden, Finland and Norway."
http://josimarfootball.com/the-trill...gambling-game/

Of course no-one is suggesting that LOI Championship football is a focus for this trillion dollars(!), but even a minute fraction gambled on a minor European soccer league, or a youth tennis tournament in Argentina; or Kenyan basketball, or even two cockroaches crawling up a Hong Kong wall will attract these gamblers, since they don't give a stuff about the actual event, just the chance of winning.

And as the above article points out, events like the English PL are just too big, too well regulated and too scrutinised to be able to fix them.

Add in money laundering , tax evasion and the organised crime generally behind these sites, and you have ample motive for them offering odds on eg LOI football games and their customers for having a punt.

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I am sorry but the whole Asians will gamble on anything like cockroaches, El Classico etc. comes across as plain racist but letting that go, do in you have any evidence other than bald assertions from anonymous 'industry insiders' cited on a random website, because there is actual real and easily available data out there on transactions on LOI games. It is not complete but it is representative and if you would condescend to examine it you would know that liquidity on outrights is low and liquidity on individual derivatives is a single figure percentage of that at most to zero at least. Low liquidity and low scoring events provide very little to no opportunities for match fixing since unusual patterns are easy to spot and potential rewards small, not to mention

The ideal event to fix is one with high liquidity and high scores where one player can make a difference, US college basketball spreads is one, tennis games IR is another one. I am not saying that nobody ever tried to fix an LOI game but anybody who did was a fool.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

because i use them and know loads more that do too, both here and in the uk.

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Why do you and your friends use Asian bookies? I never have and know nobody that has.

Not LOI specific but related to goings on here, story breaking in Wales tonight about match / spot fixing in the UK lower leagues with a European wide slant on it as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61507085

More arrests made today in relation to this

https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/our...mber-2022.html

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Originally Posted by 2 Year Contract

More arrests made today in relation to this

https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/our...mber-2022.html

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Any word on whether they were players or staff at LOI clubs ?

It's a bit more than a couple of semi pro types trying to top up earnings betting on the number of corners when Interpol have flown people in from Lyon as part of the investigation.

Seems like the last East coast based player that was in the first round of arrests has started on the bench tonight (per livescore).

https://www.thejournal.ie/league-of-...14271-Mar2024/

Is there any layer offering prices on sendings off in our league?

For illustrative purposes, Flutter who claim to be the largest betting organisation in the world would only give me 28.75 @ 9/1 out of a requested 50 on the pretty hard to fix finish last in PL market, who is going to lay enough to cover a 30K bribe and make a profit in a sending off market?

https://imgbox.com/FtZ3IgOD

You wont get that money on that sort of bet with any main stream bookie. Must be black market or asian markets.

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Originally Posted by listowelceltic

You wont get that money on that sort of bet with any main stream bookie. Must be black market or asian markets.

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I don't think Honest Fu Manchu (or any of his ilk) are sitting in the back room of the opium den, spinning on the abacus to price up the sending off markets in next weeks first division games then carefully inking them in Chinese characters on a ledger made of human skin in the expectation that some heavily disguised Donegal County Councillor will be ushered in looking for 20 large, a pony about his nephew getting sent off next Friday "and do you need some wee planning for a windfarm in the Stacks when I'm here hey?", no sirreee Bob.

A very good friend, involved in sports marketing told me about seven years ago there was a Chinese betting company interested in LOI & IFA matches. They wanted to invest numbers we could only dream about, but it was shot down by both organisations.
Now we see this. It doesn't surprise me in the least.