YES!!
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YES!!
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Great work and finish by Walters. And they should be in front, no way that should have been allowed!
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Considering the situation with Austria before the game, that's two points lost as far as I am concerned. Too many players on auto-pilot. We're going to rue this game, and if I may say so, this ref.
Poor enough for a long time, but that goal shouldn't have been disallowed, and it should have been a penalty for Walters too.
That said, I was surprised the ref didn't blow for the nudge on the Austrian defender before the goal.
Hendrick should have come off instead of Arter.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
I actually feel really disappointed with just a point. O'Neill got the tactics and selection all wrong from the start. If we'd played like we did in the last quarter from the start, we could have won that game.
The disallowed goal was harsh too. It might actually have gone in anyway had Duffy left it.
Still think we were the better team in first half. We pressed and harried and took the game to them and they took their chance when it arrived.
We make hard work of it but we were the better team throughout.
Poor selection I feel. Hoolahan should have started. I wouldn't have taken Arter off either but thought whelan did well
I think Duffy would have been called up for a foul if that was in midfield. He led with his arm and pushed the guy over.
I think in the end of the day, a draw is about fair. Two poor teams.
Congratulations Martin.
There have been some awful managerial performances over the years and that was up there with the worst of them.
Bringing Hoolahan on proved what we all knew and you apparently didn't - it changed the complexion of the game completely.
Also dropping Brady back to where he can cause a whole lot of harm (left back) was genius, Martin.
Ok if you want to substitute Ward, fine, but keep Brady in the Austrian half of the field where he can cause them harm.
Wes and McGeady were way way too late. But look what happened when they came on.
How did the Glenn Whelan gamble work out for ya Martin?
And how did it work out keeping Hendrick on the pitch for that long?
We squandered two points for one reason - Martin O'Neill.
Brady needs to stay at LB. RW did not work. McClean seems to be first choice LW now.
Wes needs to be accommodated (even if just for 60 mins).
Somebody needs to teach Duffy how to defend and how to stand up your man. You don't have to try & win the ball every time opposition is coming at you. It might work in the Championship but not at that level.
Big props to Randolph - that save has kept our hopes alive.
Whelan and Arter did not work. Whelan runs AWAY from the ball. Hendrick was on his holidays - I rate him but he did not get going.
A few chances squandered.
McClean, the hero for so long missed two great chances - one from eight yards out, the other when he failed to tee up Arter, who surely would have scored.
Arter himself should have hit the target when well placed.
Chalking off the goal was harsh - the defender had practically put it in the net himself.
Also a penalty might have been awarded to Walters for the tackle from behind.
Make no mistake about it, Austria were there for the taking and we blew it.
I would like to think this is the end of Whelan at international level, but I'm not holding my breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
How Arter was taken off is beyond me?
He finally brings Wes on with 20 minutes left and takes off the one player who looked like holding the midfield together? Baffling.
Whelan is years past his sell by date and Hendrick is heading down the same road unfortunately.
Very impressed with Kevin Long, love like he's been an international for years.
Whelan did well? Did well at what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Austria were poor enough. But we should have won that game by two or three and we would have, had the team selection been better.
What did he do badly? I thought he was very solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
I would've taken Hendrick off much sooner than Arter or Whelan
Don't know how to feel after that, with 10 minutes left I would have taken your hand off for the draw but we showed Austria far far too much respect but we should have been dead and buried by the time of the equaliser.
I can't believe arter was hooked, Hendrick should have been taken off, poor today and poor last week. As for the disallowed goal I'm not sure Duffy's intervention was necessary, the ball could still have ended up in the net but easy to say that from here. Had we taken the points it would have been something of a travesty. I hope that this game doesn't come back to haunt us.
2 points lost there for sure. Couldn't understand our first half display. For a side that knew if we won, that Austria and Wales would both be out of the running and everything in our hands for qualification, we certainly did not act like it and gave them far too much respect for some odd reason. On the other hand, that Duffy goal should have stood, what was wrong with it? Thought the referee was rubbish in general win, lose or draw.
Solid? Solid at doing what exactly?
It's the same complaint since the Trappatoni days - what does Glenn Whelan do?
He didn't impose himself on the midfield like Arter tried to do.
He's not mobile at all. He can't put himself about to make crucial tackles and when he gets the ball, which is not nearly as much as he should, he does precious little with it.
Arter has come in and done more in two games than Whelan has in years.
Unfortunately Hendrick wasn't much better.
As said before, and also said by Liam Brady yesterday, Arter and Hoolahan were the two to start and go from there.
It will. This was the difference between our automatic qualification and a battle for second place which we are likely to end up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Comic Book Guy
Nothing, he's one of the most pointless players I've ever seen.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
Close-to-the-whistle dissection of the game here, if anyone fancies a read.
I thought Duffy was very reckless on one occasion especially as Austria were counter-attacking and he committed himself to a tackle, but he totally took himself out of the game in the process as he failed to win the ball and left gaping space behind him.Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
His balls up and across field weren't great either. Was he instructed to hoof the ball forward?
You can't blame him for attacking the ball for the disallowed goal - he showed endeavour at least - but he has a tendency to put his arms on opponents when he's challenging for headers. It can have frustrating consequences as it gives the ref the perfect excuse to blow up for a foul. That happened a few times today and unfortunately played a big part in the disallowing of the goal.
Although I prefer Westwood, I have to give Randolph credit where it's due. Randolph definitely deserves big praise for that save. Kept us in it for sure.Quote:
Big props to Randolph - that save has kept our hopes alive.
I thought Kevin Long did very well too actually. Worth mentioning as it was his competitive debut. No complaints with his performance.
Walters was an absolute workhorse, as usual. As was McClean.
I didn't think Whelan did much wrong. Passed well, held his line. Did what he does. Maybe when I watch game back I'll change my mind. But I think he gets a lot of undeserved stick. Hendrick for me should be getting all the stick today. Totally anonymous.
I thought Duffy led with the arm for the disallowed goal and the ref was only to happy to blow the whistle. It could've been allowed but I think it was an unnecessary foul.
I still think Duffy can be very rash.
On another occasion he got the ball for a throw-in in our half and lashed it at Whelan. Whelan controlled it well and passed to Long but, if miscontrolled, could've been a swift Austrian counter attack. He's a great threat in the opposing box but he gives me a few heart attacks in every game.
I doubted Randolph before today but he saved our bacon in the second half.
I really can't understand the flack Whelan is getting. For me, he was our best player in a dire first half.
I agree. Whelan did his job. It was Hendrick who failed to step up to the plate and he should have come off for Hoolahan; not Arter. In fact, so off-the-pace was Hendrick today that Whelan was actually the man trying to string passes together (and even uncharacteristically drove forward on occasion) in the final third of the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
I had forgotten about that moment. It was very hasty and high-risk as Whelan - not the most mobile of players as it is - already had two Austrians in very close proximity. Had Whelan been dispossessed, Duffy was out of the game on the touchline and it was two Austrians up against just Kevin Long. In Duffy's defence, I suppose the clock was ticking and getting the ball back into play quickly was a priority as it ensured we kept up the momentum without Austria having a chance to re-organise, but it could have been costly.Quote:
On another occasion he got the ball for a throw-in in our half and lashed it at Whelan. Whelan controlled it well and passed to Long but, if miscontrolled, could've been a swift Austrian counter attack.
O'Neill said to RTÉ that we were "very, very sloppy first-half and never really got a grip of the game at all". He added that he urged the players to bring "drive and determination into the game" at half-time. It would have been more honest of him if he'd just admitted that he got the tactics and selection wrong from the start. It was the introduction of Wes and other attacking players that changed the game.
When we actually put their keeper and defence under pressure - as we should have done from the outset - they panicked. They were at sixes and sevens. The keeper looked particularly weak, but we didn't even test him seriously.
Prödl reckons Duffy's disallowed goal should have stood: https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2017...-admits-prodl/
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Originally Posted by RTÉ
Sorry, just don't see it with Whelan. How many years has he been the topic of conversation about whether he played well or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
And now with Hendrick going walkabout we are very very weak in the middle of the park.
McCarthy, Hoolahan and Shane Long straight into the team for Georgia away.
Wales unlucky not to get the three points in Belgrade. Ended 1-1. How big a managerial screw up was that 1-1 draw at the Aviva?
We could have been sitting pretty atop the table tonight.
bit worried that the two booking could come back to haunt us, especially the Christie one. Who's the replacement right full back if he's suspended? McShane?
Stojakovic and Matic yellow for the Flying Serbies. The law firm of Alan and Richards sent off in shame for Wales United. Sources indicate I my not have spelled anyone's names right.
Meyler, wouldn't you say?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
David Meyler? John O'Shea? Marc Wilson?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Doherty should be knocking but doesn't seem to be getting a look inQuote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
So it's Wales hosting Austria in Cardiff in the first week in September (both teams 4 points behind us and Serbia).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
The Serbs entertain Moldova and we are now in a critical game (a really must win) in Georgia.
A few days later we welcome Serbia to Dublin.
Looks like a decent player any time I have seen him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82
Can't believe the stick Whelan is getting on this board. He was a great player for us today. For me, the big culprit was Cyrus Christie, he just didn't seem to be able to do anything right.
Brady is not a RW and shouldn't have been started in that position. Hendrick didn't have a great match either. I'm no fan of Ward but he did well enough before he came off.
Walters was incredible - we will really miss him when he retires.
The commentator on the feed I was watching mentioned that Murphy has been told to find a new club. I thought he was one of the top goal scorers in the Championship last season? I know he's old but it seems strange.
Murphy had a good year two seasons ago - 27 for Ipswich. He was a bit-player for Newcastle this year; 5 goals in 14 league games.
Agree on Walters.
This guy is MON's pet. It doesn't matter if he is a passenger and does nothing on a regular basis, he will still start no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report